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When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
The Daily Reckoning ^ | 8-13-2012 | Jim Karger

Posted on 08/13/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by blam

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To: CodeToad

That regulated militia would happen very quickly and i think you’ll be surprised by how well equipped it is.


I would hope you are right but this happened very SLOWLY in our revolution. It could have gone either way.

I look at the history of Germany, England, Soviet Union, China. They will come for us individually and threaten us, our wealth, and family. The key word is INDIVIDUALLY.

It is only when we have nothing left to lose that most will fight. And even then, many won’t have a clear understanding of what to fight for. I have wondered what motivated some of our founders, some it would appear considered their lively hood and wealth lost, some were driven by their faith and understanding of God.

Again, I have stood up for what is right and I have stood alone................................. that is human nature, but there are exemptions. But is is important that we understand human nature and history. Most people are sheep. Study the 30’s in Germany. What would you and I have done? There are a lot of individuals and their choices revealed to us in history.

Human nature shows us we will not group up until we have to. We like our independence. Our founders learned AFTER THE BATTLE that a well regulated militia was necessary, but doing this counters human nature.

How does the old story go? When they finally came for me, there was no one left..........

Lets be realists, not pessimists or optimists. It will be a long, hard battle.


301 posted on 08/14/2012 9:40:18 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: CodeToad
While they take time to collect those arm bands, we take that time to collect our resources and ourselves.

And we may collect a few heads along the way...

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/10/mathematics-of-liberty-one-hundred.html

A lot of us former .mil types kept practicing once we were no longer Active duty. I was a 5th award Expert rifle and 2nd pistol. I've since built my own rifles that are much more accurate. Some of us are in 3-gun competition, some hunt, some collect dust. Every one of us remembers...

302 posted on 08/14/2012 9:40:44 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Lady Lucky
Nevertheless, people here are seriously underestimating the opposition.

What, in your opinion, would constitute a rational estimation of the opposition?

303 posted on 08/14/2012 9:41:39 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: blam
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized [police force] rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.

Utter nonsense. There will not be enough "cops" to do all the confiscating, and those who resist will not simply be taken down one by one. They will have to kill large groups of resistors.

Regardless of the level of militarization of the police forces, the author is totally naive if he thinks such operations against the citizens will be either easy or successful. He's dreaming.

If they try it, they will see exactly how fierce the heart of a patriot is...

304 posted on 08/14/2012 9:43:33 AM PDT by sargon
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To: Boogieman
Also, back in those days, the citizens were armed and organized, and just waiting for a signal. Even if you could still send the same signals, there are no Minutemen on the other end waiting to take up arms with you.

At the inception of the revolutionary war we were just a bunch of guys with guns. We became organized due to need. These days we are much better armed than our forefathers. We outnumber the aggressors in this little theory play by roughly 250 to 1. We know where they live, who their families are, where their children go to school, who they are "seeing" on the side, where they buy their food, where they go to counseling. We are their barbers and their butchers, their plumbers, their IT staff, their accountants, we are nameless and we are legion. They cannot possible "round us all up", they cannot possibly collect even a large percentage of arms in circulation and there is no effective method of stopping us from making more.

The only way we could possibly lose is to not fight and while that is a possibility it's not at this time a very likely one.

305 posted on 08/14/2012 9:45:14 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ctdonath2

My estimation of the resistance (ie, the American citizens) is based on many factors. Among them, the response to Roe v. Wade; to Kelo; to Waco; to the TSA. Among other factors: the people continue to pay protection money to the govt so it won’t incarcerate and impoverish them for not paying; the people continue to enable the govt financially, when refusal to do so would bring the govt to its knees within weeks. These are not the same caliber of Americans who tracked blood in the wilderness during the Revolution.
I wish it were otherwise. Perhaps you, ctd2, are otherwise. I cannot know that, I can only hope so.

PS: Re Art of War...you let your opponent make the first move when you are ready for it. By far, most are NOT ready.
Not even getting ready. (Basic questions are not, how much ammo have I got and how much food? Basic questions are, when the S appears to HTF, how do I know it isn’t an isolated incident? do I go to work that day? and do the kids go to school that day?)
Moreover, Art of War had a few suggestions about timing offense rather than letting the opponent decide when to start surprising you.


306 posted on 08/14/2012 9:50:40 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( 'Better than the worst' is not the same as 'good.')
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To: CodeToad

You really need to quit posting to me, CT. You’re making less sense each time, now you’re projecting as well as name-calling. I don’t sit here all day and I especially avoid wasting time with irrational posters. Over and out.


307 posted on 08/14/2012 9:53:36 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( 'Better than the worst' is not the same as 'good.')
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To: PeterPrinciple
I look at the history of Germany, England, Soviet Union, China. They will come for us individually and threaten us, our wealth, and family. The key word is INDIVIDUALLY.

If our people were like their peoples, our country would already be like their countries.

We are also not stupid. We know any authoritarian would like nothing better than to face down individual targets with overwhelming force.

If you call yourself a conservative, why is it you subscribe to the assumptions of the liberal when evaluating our people?

308 posted on 08/14/2012 9:54:47 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Boogieman
The problem is, nobody will ever hear about those armed patriots dying for our freedoms. If we ever hear about them at all, we’ll hear they were “domestic terrorists” who were plotting to overthrow the government or commit atrocities.

You have to be willing to die labeled as a 'terrorist' or you shouldn't even be playing the game.

I've had a vision of how I was going to die since I was about 9 years old.  I'm (hold on while I do the math....) 47 now. I recently bought the rifle. Didn't realize it until later.

309 posted on 08/14/2012 9:55:31 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: papertyger

I charge .05/word, more when it’s both lengthy and obvious. :)


310 posted on 08/14/2012 9:59:30 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( 'Better than the worst' is not the same as 'good.')
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To: Lady Lucky
My estimation of the resistance (ie, the American citizens) is based on many factors. Among them, the response to Roe v. Wade; to Kelo; to Waco; to the TSA.

Do you think any of those things rises to the standard already set by the Declaration of Independence?

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
I do not. And I don't believe any rational observer would agree with you.

There are no advocates of the Second Amendment that do not understand it is the tripwire signaling the onset of intolerable abuses....

311 posted on 08/14/2012 10:11:09 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: blam; waterhill; ixtl
Very interesting thread. A door to door confiscation of weapons is not going to happen, not without significant causualties.

As stated earlier, Waco is a really good example of how a 'small' amount of resistance can bring a seemingly unstoppable force to a complete halt.

Remember the "insurgency" in Iraq? Multiply that by, oh, even just a million or so. Somebody hasn't been paying attention to the amount of firearms and ammunition purchased in the last 3 years.

Think people are just going to hand it over. I don't think so.....

312 posted on 08/14/2012 10:11:41 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: DuncanWaring
Yes, from Unintended Consequences, hence the quotation marks. Here's more of it... the prologue from that book is worth reading for every statist.

Today in America, honest, successful, talented, productive, motivated people are once again being stripped of their freedom and dignity and having their noses rubbed in it. The conflict has been building for overhalf a century, and once again warning flags are frantically waving while the instigators rush headlongtowards the abyss, and their doom.
313 posted on 08/14/2012 10:13:35 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Lady Lucky
I charge .05/word, more when it’s both lengthy and obvious. :)

If it were that obvious, it would not have to be lengthy.

314 posted on 08/14/2012 10:14:48 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: papertyger

In my opinion, the American colonists revolted against far less onerous offenses than our govt commits against us today.

If you consider Roe v Wade, obamacare, TSA, income taxes, etc. to be “light and transient causes” that do not “rise to the standard set by the Declaration, I am aghast, speechless.


315 posted on 08/14/2012 10:21:21 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( 'Better than the worst' is not the same as 'good.')
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To: papertyger
If it were that obvious, it would not have to be lengthy.

To the contrary, because it should be obvious, I cannot possibly know when to STOP laying out a case to you.

316 posted on 08/14/2012 10:23:37 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( 'Better than the worst' is not the same as 'good.')
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To: blam; Travis McGee
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”

This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.

Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.

Tell it to Tom Wales, shot dead on the basement floor of his own home, just another dead fool resisting the People.

317 posted on 08/14/2012 10:26:38 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: blam

Time to bring out the mantra of freedom loving people:
If you have a knife, you can get a rifle; if you have a rifle, you can get a machine gun; If you have a machine gun, you can get an RPG; If you have an RPG, you can get a tank; etc.


318 posted on 08/14/2012 10:26:38 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Envisioning
Very interesting thread. A door to door confiscation of weapons is not going to happen, not without significant causualties.

It should also be noted there is a "new" influence in the debate. "Women," both literal and philosophical, have always prized security over liberty. There is no such thing as "acceptable loss" when those losses are the possession of women. As such, any action, plan, or doctrine that does not provide at least a theoretical immunity from loss from the status quo is going to meet significant opposition from that corner.

319 posted on 08/14/2012 10:27:25 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: 867V309
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....? End The War on Freedom ^ | June 18, 2003 | Bill St. Clair

Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 6:48:31 PM by 2ndDivisionVet

[excerpt]

A friend of mine owns an instructive piece of history. It is a small, crude pistol, made out of sheet-metal stampings by the U.S. during World War II. While it fits in the palm of your hand and is a slowly-operated, single-shot arm, it's powerful .45 caliber projectile will kill a man with brutal efficiency. With a short, smooth-bore barrel it can reliably kill only at point blank ranges, so its use requires the will (brave or foolhardy) to get in close before firing. It is less a soldier's weapon than an assassin's tool. The U.S. manufactured them by the million during the war, not for our own forces but rather to be air-dropped behind German lines to resistance units in occupied Europe. Crude and slow (the fired case had to be knocked out of the breech by means of a little wooden dowel, a fresh round procured from the storage area in the grip and then manually reloaded and cocked) and so wildly inaccurate it couldn't hit the broad side of a French barn at 50 meters, to the Resistance man or woman who had no firearm it still looked pretty darn good. The theory and practice of it was this: First, you approach a German sentry with your little pistol hidden in your coat pocket and, with Academy-award sincerity, ask him for a light for your cigarette (or the time the train leaves for Paris, or if he wants to buy some non-army-issue food or a perhaps half-hour with your "sister"). When he smiles and casts a nervous glance down the street to see where his Sergeant is at, you blow his brains out with your first and only shot, then take his rifle and ammunition. Your next few minutes are occupied with "getting out of Dodge," for such critters generally go around in packs. After that (assuming you evade your late benefactor's friends) you keep the rifle and hand your little pistol to a fellow Resistance fighter so they can go get their own rifle.

Or maybe you then use your rifle to get a submachine gun from the Sergeant when he comes running. Perhaps you get very lucky and pickup a light machine gun, two boxes of ammunition and a haversack of hand grenades. With two of the grenades and the expenditure of a half-a-box of ammunition at a hasty roadblock the next night, you and your friends get a truck full of arms and ammunition.


320 posted on 08/14/2012 10:30:21 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Lady Lucky
To the contrary, because it should be obvious, I cannot possibly know when to STOP laying out a case to you.

So that is an excuse to not even START?

Enough double-talk. I think your inability or unwillingness to articulate your position is demonstrated well enough.

321 posted on 08/14/2012 10:33:14 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Goldsborough
Step One: Get a used concealable pistol in 9mm, 40S&W, or .45ACP in a face to face cash transaction and stash that "off the books" weapon where it won't be found by anyone else. Rule Number One: As a guerilla, NEVER engage the enemy in a stand up fight. . . .

So use a sawed-off shotgun or .22 semiauto rifle instead, but keep your handgun as a backup. I expect cutdown .22s and shotguns will be the real killers once the urban cesspools downward spiral really pick up speed, and that'll include Direct Action killings.

322 posted on 08/14/2012 10:33:49 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Lady Lucky
In my opinion, the American colonists revolted against far less onerous offenses than our govt commits against us today.

Then your opinion is of little value. It is a far cry from abhoring what is "allowed" (such as abortion) to abhoring what is "demanded" (such as quartering troops).

323 posted on 08/14/2012 10:39:36 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: 867V309

How do I get a tank? I need a tank! ;-)


324 posted on 08/14/2012 10:40:43 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: papertyger
I think what she is saying is that we have all the excuses we should need to go ahead and get started NOW.

She's right. However, a lot of the stuff she mentions happens "to someone else" or is avoidable (ie; not flying because the TSA sucks).

For most folks, it won't really be driven home until THEY are threatening to come to your house and take your arms by force.

That's what they call a "game changer", a "deal breaker", a "last line in the sand".

On that day, all bets are off. Period.

325 posted on 08/14/2012 10:41:26 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: blam
Captain Obvious. If you fight the Swat team, on their terms, with their preparation, when they are on alert, barricaded and confined in your residence, you will lose.

However if it's "that time" it's not that hard to set an ambush, and the high level bureaucrats have to leave their offices and homes at some point.

326 posted on 08/14/2012 10:41:58 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: Kartographer
Only 46,000 rounds? Hell I bet there’s more than a few Freepers with that many and that just in their BOB’s. ;-)

You win that bet. I've been working on the accumulation of one million rounds, and I'm about halfway there, about half of which is .22 Long Rifle, 5000 of which fit very nicely in a .50 caliber metal ammo can.

Why? Remember the so-called *Million Mom March* They were exaggerating, considerably. I'm not.

327 posted on 08/14/2012 10:42:50 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: papertyger

Don’t be ridiculous. I don’t take requests. I have articulated my position fully and you’re asking for an indefinitely long exposition of the obvious, which may never satisfy you, at no charge on my time. I’m not biting.


328 posted on 08/14/2012 10:44:11 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( 'Better than the worst' is not the same as 'good.')
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To: Lady Lucky
If you consider Roe v Wade, obamacare, TSA, income taxes, etc. to be “light and transient causes” that do not “rise to the standard set by the Declaration, I am aghast, speechless.

No. I consider them "evils" that are "sufferable." And it would seem the greater balance of the people agree with me.

329 posted on 08/14/2012 10:44:42 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Boogieman
I disagree. Most incidents will have witnesses and word will get out, one way or another.

Knowing the idiot dictators, they'll be happy to televise it as a warning to the rest of the populace, although I believe it will have the opposite effect.

It doesn't matter how the incident is spun, if the government is coming for all weapons, the actual message of such confrontations will be vividly clear.

Hopefully we'll never have to see this come to pass, but I am well prepared for it.

330 posted on 08/14/2012 10:49:47 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

“I would hope you are right but this happened very SLOWLY in our revolution. “

It never really did gain momentum until the Winter of 1976 with the crossing of the Delaware. Even then it never received full equipment and funding. There are two lessons in that.

1. You don’t need to be a fully equipped, well funded, army to defeat a superior enemy.

2. Don’t expect to be a fully equipped, well funded, army.

However, we the people maintain more guns, more ammo, more food, more medical, more of everything than the military has especially on a per solider basis.


331 posted on 08/14/2012 10:57:47 AM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: Lady Lucky

“You really need to quit posting to me, CT. “

You post, we reply. That’s how this works. I know as a liberal you think your every word should be believed and worshipped as gospel and any dissent should just keep quiet, but this is FR where we debate, not censor.


332 posted on 08/14/2012 11:00:26 AM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: Pox
I disagree. Most incidents will have witnesses and word will get out, one way or another

Yep. How much organizing was done to bring "throngs" of people to 'Chick-fil-A's' in just a couple of days? Not much, and that was over 'Freedom of Speech', not life or death.

Properly motivated, people are capable of amazing feats. I truly hope they are smart enough NOT to test our will any further.....

333 posted on 08/14/2012 11:01:53 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: CodeToad

1976? ;-)


334 posted on 08/14/2012 11:09:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
1976?

Forget it. He's rolling.

335 posted on 08/14/2012 11:15:39 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: blam

I like “From my cold dead hands!” But I prefer “Two in the chest, one in the head” and “Have a plan to kill every man you meet.”

We surround them. Never forget that.

I fully understand the cost of freedom. I am willing to give my life to defend my God-given rights. I’m good with Jesus Christ. I do not fear death. So, they misunderstand me if they think I will bow down to any man.


336 posted on 08/14/2012 11:19:13 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (The Tree of Liberty suffers from a 236-year drought.)
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To: Lady Lucky
Don’t be ridiculous. I don’t take requests. I have articulated my position fully and you’re asking for an indefinitely long exposition of the obvious, which may never satisfy you, at no charge on my time. I’m not biting.

Of course you won't, because you lack any credible criteria for "rational estimation of the opposition"; you simply lack the personal integrity to admit that fact. (Please note this change of tone follows your repeated refusal to answer a question predicated on your own standard of evaluation)

And apparently you also believe FReeRepublic only exists for you to disseminate your pronouncements from on high. If you do not believe you are under any obligation to engage in open debate without some remuneration, why else would you be here?

Finally, you are correct in that any "explanation" on your part would be lengthy for the simple fact is it is not "obvious." That you resort to such juvenile cliches' is both satisfying to me, and doctrinaire of you.

337 posted on 08/14/2012 11:24:42 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: blam

Americans have become sheep to be led to and off the cliff by the pied pipers of disinformation and PR.

The scenario will work like this.

First, the groups of organized opposition such as NRA GOA etc will be hijacked by the M. Bloombergs and big money interests behind gun control. A billion here or there could buy off their BODs. Without any such organization and there is no defense against the wealthy elites who want the sheep disarmed. All it takes is to change or cut of the head of leadership and the mission of such organizations can be molded like putty by $$$$$.

Second, would be a media that uses intentional false flag gun tragedies (purposely set up???) to move public opinion.

Third, before you can snap your fingers the American sheep that are owned by Hollywood and the entertainment media would be clamoring to rescind the 2nd Amendment.

I use the example of the AARP that once served as the most powerful lobbying and advocacy group in the USA, and it served senior citizens. No Congressman would mess with them. Around 2000 there was a leadership coup that took all of the voting power from the state AARP groups and gave the power to the new CEO Novelli. He turned it into a money making machine that primarily used and profited from seniors, instead of a group that only advocated for seniors.

The same thing could easily happen to gun advocacy groups.


338 posted on 08/14/2012 11:25:58 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Dead Corpse
I think what she is saying is that we have all the excuses we should need to go ahead and get started NOW.

Then shouldn't she be telling us how she knows we haven't already started?

339 posted on 08/14/2012 11:28:11 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Robert Teesdale
Your 145 - well put, and I wish I'd been up early enough to see it realtime.

Direct confrontation is not how asymetrical insurgency works nor how Americans would react.

Most certainly not. I've been thinking about this thread since last evening and I've come to the conclusion that the author is unacquainted with the nature of insurgency. Not much excuse, really, inasmuch as the body of work on the topic has expanded hugely since Vietnam.

In the first place, the logistics necessary for a full-flood door-to-door campaign in even a single city are staggering. We know because we've tried it. And if you don't flood the zone right away the targets simply flow elsewhere. I hear about a forcible confiscation in, say, Bigtown and the suburbs. My course of action is (1) sit tight, lock and load, and wait for the SWAT team to come knocking; (2) throw on a set of camos and hit the sticks for some snooping and pooping until the power bars run out; (3) distribute my contraband to where I can get at it and they can't, and look innocent. Option (3) sounds mighty attractive, low-risk, and leaves me in a position to seize the initiative at will. And the gun sweepers can't camp out in my front yard forever.

That's how insurgency works. Because I'm talking to my neighbor in the meantime, who's talking to his. His cousin knows where there's some ammo stashed. My brother-in-law has a friend with a boat. My ex-service buddy has a cabin in the weeds. No Internet or phone lines necessary, nothing for a drone to see. This isn't fantasy macho chest-pounding, it's how an insurgency really works because we've observed it ourselves.

I am inclined toward pessimism concerning the generation to come - their soft upbringing, their indolence, their general unwillingness to put forth an effort to free themselves. That is a very common outlook in history (especially American history). It is also always mistaken.

Nor would the issue be firearms exclusively. A government aggressive enough to devote the sort of resources necessary even to begin such a campaign will be after far more than firearms. And you don't need a firearm to be an insurgent, all you need is a pair of eyes and ears and the ability to pass information. This is not new knowledge, and I am a little surprised at the tendency of persons such as our author to ignore a body of experience that we have gathered at such expense.

340 posted on 08/14/2012 11:28:52 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: papertyger

“...the tripwire signaling the onset of intolerable abuses....”

Basically, it signals that they are willing to KILL as many American Citizens as they need to to accomplish their goals.

That thought alone should be intolerable to anyone who calls themselves American.

That thought alone should have blood boiling all over the country, and set peoples’ hearts to stone against anyone advocating it.


341 posted on 08/14/2012 11:34:50 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Dead Corpse

hehe Maybe there were some slow learners? Them thar edumacated types.


342 posted on 08/14/2012 11:43:29 AM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: NFHale; Noumenon
Basically, it signals that they are willing to KILL as many American Citizens as they need to to accomplish their goals.

You might even call them Killers Without Conscience.

343 posted on 08/14/2012 11:43:43 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Billthedrill
...I am a little surprised at the tendency of persons such as our author to ignore a body of experience that we have gathered at such expense.

You know full well this piece was written not as an honest assessment, but as a psy-op tactic to corrode resistance and excuse passivity.

344 posted on 08/14/2012 11:44:51 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: papertyger

Yeah, I do. ;-)


345 posted on 08/14/2012 11:46:31 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Lady Lucky
Those bully boys are going to have to eat at a dining hall sometime. Some folks have excellent cooking skills, a love of freedom, and a basic knowledge of chemistry.

If you are eating dinner with the jack-booted thugs, you might want to skip the peach cobbler.

Or was it the scrambled eggs?

Firearms are just one tool for preserving freedom.

/johnny

346 posted on 08/14/2012 11:51:14 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Envisioning

“How much organizing was done to bring “throngs” of people to ‘Chick-fil-A’s’ in just a couple of days? Not much, and that was over ‘Freedom of Speech’, not life or death.”

That is an excellent example of indirect communications. The people got the word out via email, Internet, phone, fax, person to person, etc. Without the Internet there is no doubt a slowing of communications, but driving across the country only takes 2 days at most and flying it less than one.

The left assumes we are disorganized and would be unable to communicate in order to cooperate if they could just cut off our means of communications. They are wrong. We already are like minded in the idea of liberty and freedom and know what moral grounds we stand on. It is they that have to continually communicate to propagandize, recruit, and train their followers. We may not know what to do about everything right this second but we’ll have that figured out once the time comes.


347 posted on 08/14/2012 11:52:11 AM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: Robert Teesdale

Well stated; thank you for posting.


348 posted on 08/14/2012 11:52:28 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Ken H; CodeToad
Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?

Bluto's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

349 posted on 08/14/2012 11:52:28 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: papertyger; Lady Lucky
Then shouldn't she be telling us how she knows we haven't already started?

Probably. Assuming they aren't just doing their own version of a disinformation campaign.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-13/15-rules-web-disruption

Some people I've met online do some of this without even being aware of what they are doing, so keep in mind that not everyone is part of some over-arching conspiracy. Some people are just 'tards... ;-)

350 posted on 08/14/2012 11:56:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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