Skip to comments.When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
Posted on 08/13/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by blam
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That regulated militia would happen very quickly and i think youll be surprised by how well equipped it is.
I look at the history of Germany, England, Soviet Union, China. They will come for us individually and threaten us, our wealth, and family. The key word is INDIVIDUALLY.
It is only when we have nothing left to lose that most will fight. And even then, many won’t have a clear understanding of what to fight for. I have wondered what motivated some of our founders, some it would appear considered their lively hood and wealth lost, some were driven by their faith and understanding of God.
Again, I have stood up for what is right and I have stood alone................................. that is human nature, but there are exemptions. But is is important that we understand human nature and history. Most people are sheep. Study the 30’s in Germany. What would you and I have done? There are a lot of individuals and their choices revealed to us in history.
Human nature shows us we will not group up until we have to. We like our independence. Our founders learned AFTER THE BATTLE that a well regulated militia was necessary, but doing this counters human nature.
How does the old story go? When they finally came for me, there was no one left..........
Lets be realists, not pessimists or optimists. It will be a long, hard battle.
And we may collect a few heads along the way...
A lot of us former .mil types kept practicing once we were no longer Active duty. I was a 5th award Expert rifle and 2nd pistol. I've since built my own rifles that are much more accurate. Some of us are in 3-gun competition, some hunt, some collect dust. Every one of us remembers...
What, in your opinion, would constitute a rational estimation of the opposition?
Utter nonsense. There will not be enough "cops" to do all the confiscating, and those who resist will not simply be taken down one by one. They will have to kill large groups of resistors.
Regardless of the level of militarization of the police forces, the author is totally naive if he thinks such operations against the citizens will be either easy or successful. He's dreaming.
If they try it, they will see exactly how fierce the heart of a patriot is...
At the inception of the revolutionary war we were just a bunch of guys with guns. We became organized due to need. These days we are much better armed than our forefathers. We outnumber the aggressors in this little theory play by roughly 250 to 1. We know where they live, who their families are, where their children go to school, who they are "seeing" on the side, where they buy their food, where they go to counseling. We are their barbers and their butchers, their plumbers, their IT staff, their accountants, we are nameless and we are legion. They cannot possible "round us all up", they cannot possibly collect even a large percentage of arms in circulation and there is no effective method of stopping us from making more.
The only way we could possibly lose is to not fight and while that is a possibility it's not at this time a very likely one.
My estimation of the resistance (ie, the American citizens) is based on many factors. Among them, the response to Roe v. Wade; to Kelo; to Waco; to the TSA. Among other factors: the people continue to pay protection money to the govt so it won’t incarcerate and impoverish them for not paying; the people continue to enable the govt financially, when refusal to do so would bring the govt to its knees within weeks. These are not the same caliber of Americans who tracked blood in the wilderness during the Revolution.
I wish it were otherwise. Perhaps you, ctd2, are otherwise. I cannot know that, I can only hope so.
PS: Re Art of War...you let your opponent make the first move when you are ready for it. By far, most are NOT ready.
Not even getting ready. (Basic questions are not, how much ammo have I got and how much food? Basic questions are, when the S appears to HTF, how do I know it isn’t an isolated incident? do I go to work that day? and do the kids go to school that day?)
Moreover, Art of War had a few suggestions about timing offense rather than letting the opponent decide when to start surprising you.
You really need to quit posting to me, CT. You’re making less sense each time, now you’re projecting as well as name-calling. I don’t sit here all day and I especially avoid wasting time with irrational posters. Over and out.
If our people were like their peoples, our country would already be like their countries.
We are also not stupid. We know any authoritarian would like nothing better than to face down individual targets with overwhelming force.
If you call yourself a conservative, why is it you subscribe to the assumptions of the liberal when evaluating our people?
You have to be willing to die labeled as a 'terrorist' or you shouldn't even be playing the game.
I've had a vision of how I was going to die since I was about 9 years old. I'm (hold on while I do the math....) 47 now. I recently bought the rifle. Didn't realize it until later.
I charge .05/word, more when it’s both lengthy and obvious. :)
Do you think any of those things rises to the standard already set by the Declaration of Independence?
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.I do not. And I don't believe any rational observer would agree with you.
There are no advocates of the Second Amendment that do not understand it is the tripwire signaling the onset of intolerable abuses....
As stated earlier, Waco is a really good example of how a 'small' amount of resistance can bring a seemingly unstoppable force to a complete halt.
Remember the "insurgency" in Iraq? Multiply that by, oh, even just a million or so. Somebody hasn't been paying attention to the amount of firearms and ammunition purchased in the last 3 years.
Think people are just going to hand it over. I don't think so.....
If it were that obvious, it would not have to be lengthy.
In my opinion, the American colonists revolted against far less onerous offenses than our govt commits against us today.
If you consider Roe v Wade, obamacare, TSA, income taxes, etc. to be “light and transient causes” that do not “rise to the standard set by the Declaration, I am aghast, speechless.
To the contrary, because it should be obvious, I cannot possibly know when to STOP laying out a case to you.
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. Its not happening.
Tell it to Tom Wales, shot dead on the basement floor of his own home, just another dead fool resisting the People.
Time to bring out the mantra of freedom loving people:
If you have a knife, you can get a rifle; if you have a rifle, you can get a machine gun; If you have a machine gun, you can get an RPG; If you have an RPG, you can get a tank; etc.
It should also be noted there is a "new" influence in the debate. "Women," both literal and philosophical, have always prized security over liberty. There is no such thing as "acceptable loss" when those losses are the possession of women. As such, any action, plan, or doctrine that does not provide at least a theoretical immunity from loss from the status quo is going to meet significant opposition from that corner.
Posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 6:48:31 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
A friend of mine owns an instructive piece of history. It is a small, crude pistol, made out of sheet-metal stampings by the U.S. during World War II. While it fits in the palm of your hand and is a slowly-operated, single-shot arm, it's powerful .45 caliber projectile will kill a man with brutal efficiency. With a short, smooth-bore barrel it can reliably kill only at point blank ranges, so its use requires the will (brave or foolhardy) to get in close before firing. It is less a soldier's weapon than an assassin's tool. The U.S. manufactured them by the million during the war, not for our own forces but rather to be air-dropped behind German lines to resistance units in occupied Europe. Crude and slow (the fired case had to be knocked out of the breech by means of a little wooden dowel, a fresh round procured from the storage area in the grip and then manually reloaded and cocked) and so wildly inaccurate it couldn't hit the broad side of a French barn at 50 meters, to the Resistance man or woman who had no firearm it still looked pretty darn good. The theory and practice of it was this: First, you approach a German sentry with your little pistol hidden in your coat pocket and, with Academy-award sincerity, ask him for a light for your cigarette (or the time the train leaves for Paris, or if he wants to buy some non-army-issue food or a perhaps half-hour with your "sister"). When he smiles and casts a nervous glance down the street to see where his Sergeant is at, you blow his brains out with your first and only shot, then take his rifle and ammunition. Your next few minutes are occupied with "getting out of Dodge," for such critters generally go around in packs. After that (assuming you evade your late benefactor's friends) you keep the rifle and hand your little pistol to a fellow Resistance fighter so they can go get their own rifle.
Or maybe you then use your rifle to get a submachine gun from the Sergeant when he comes running. Perhaps you get very lucky and pickup a light machine gun, two boxes of ammunition and a haversack of hand grenades. With two of the grenades and the expenditure of a half-a-box of ammunition at a hasty roadblock the next night, you and your friends get a truck full of arms and ammunition.
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