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When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
The Daily Reckoning ^ | 8-13-2012 | Jim Karger

Posted on 08/13/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by blam

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To: NFHale
Thanks for being there. And Welcome Home.

You're welcome, mate. But it was a duty and honor to so serve, and, for the most part a pleasure. I'd have rather been shootin' and sqyuashing stuff in my 52-ton sports car than in most other places an eighteen-year-old could be found in the Nineteen-Sixties.

Thanks too for the welcome home. But I still get out of the cage every now and then, and though I'm semiretired, I'm not yet in dirt nap mode.

601 posted on 08/16/2012 3:52:21 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: NFHale
Teach. Show kids what Americans are made of. This ain’t over by a long shot.

Appleseed Project.

602 posted on 08/16/2012 3:54:07 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy
Good evening. I hope you are doing well.

Over 600 posts. I didn't think it would get to 100. Apparently this guy Karger struck a nerve (a raw nerve).

5.56mm

603 posted on 08/16/2012 5:09:23 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Smokin' Joe
Drones, anyone?

Watch for a rash of 'gas explosions'...

Sacremento, CA, 2001- Bowers


604 posted on 08/16/2012 5:12:03 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: NFHale; Travis McGee
“...In other words, “this is a really bad idea”....” If it wasn’t, they’d already be on it. They’re wicked and evil, but they aren’t stupid.

About Jim Karger : Family

Jim Karger lives with his wife and ten dogs in San Miguel de Allende, Mexico. He travels worldwide to lecture and train managers at all levels. Jim's wife, Kelly, is the founder of Save A Mexican Mutt, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated to rescuing street dogs and finding adoptive homes, as well as conducting weekly low-income spay-neuter clinics. The website is www.saveamexicanmutt.org.

605 posted on 08/16/2012 5:20:47 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: NFHale; Travis McGee
“...In other words, “this is a really bad idea”....” If it wasn’t, they’d already be on it. They’re wicked and evil, but they aren’t stupid.

About Jim Karger : Family

Jim Karger lives with his wife and ten dogs in San Miguel de Allende, Mexico. He travels worldwide to lecture and train managers at all levels. Jim's wife, Kelly, is the founder of Save A Mexican Mutt, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated to rescuing street dogs and finding adoptive homes, as well as conducting weekly low-income spay-neuter clinics. The website is www.saveamexicanmutt.org.

606 posted on 08/16/2012 5:21:00 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: M Kehoe
Good evening. I hope you are doing well.

Well enough, my FRiend.

Over 600 posts. I didn't think it would get to 100.

And not just here. In other places as well.

607 posted on 08/16/2012 5:22:56 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy
And not just here. In other places as well.

I believe it's what is known as "probing."

608 posted on 08/16/2012 5:27:07 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: M Kehoe
Good evening. I hope you are doing well.

Well enough, my FRiend.

Over 600 posts. I didn't think it would get to 100.

And not just here. In other places as well.

609 posted on 08/16/2012 5:35:10 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy
every time i look at that pic, it chills me...

too bad we will eventually go down that road...

610 posted on 08/16/2012 10:09:57 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; Travis McGee
every time i look at that pic, it chills me...

too bad we will eventually go down that road...

There may be more to it than you noticed. Note that all four are wearing the ribbon decoration for the Iron Cross, Second Class, making it likely that they were runners for the 27th Jaegers, the German unit assisting the *White Finns* just as Russian Soviet units assisted the Reds.

In 1939 when a million Soviet invaders crossed Finland's borders, it's likely that these four were among the reservist NCOs who helped their fellow citizen-soldiers cut their numbers down to size. Of the Million and a half who invaded, Nikita Kruschev [a junior political commisar during the Finnish invasion] claimed Russia had lost a million soldiers in the attempt, almost certainly an exaggeration, but certainly true in another way.

After Hitler saw how Finland's amateurs had more than decimated Stalins ranks, he thought about what his more professional, better equipped and trained wehrmacht could do, and reconsidered his *non-agression* pact with Stalin. And then he attacked. The result was some 30 million dead Soviet citizens.

And that blue-and-white swallowtail flag of Finland those four young troopers fought under? It still flies over Finland. The red banner of the old Soviet Union never did, and has been torn down in its homeland as well.

Well done, lads....

611 posted on 08/17/2012 11:14:36 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy
There may be more to it than you noticed.

i get stuck on their eyes, in truth...

good additional info Sir...they very well may have been assets at demonstrating what a few 'guys with guns' were able to accomplish against a monstrous and well equipped force...

still saddened that young men such as those had to witness and participate in such things...being a father and all...

612 posted on 08/17/2012 11:45:33 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: archy

I don’t care about that idiot, but the criminals will probably grab his kids on the way to private school, and send parts to him by mail. Ugh. La Vida Dulce en Mejico.


613 posted on 08/17/2012 3:28:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: archy

Glad I decided to come back to this thread. What an awesome picture.

God bless both these men.

614 posted on 08/17/2012 9:33:20 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: NVDave

Well said.


615 posted on 08/17/2012 9:53:52 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: DH
I, too, am familiar with the Garande as well as the AR-10, which I prefer over the M-16, that I hate.
Most "gun collectors" will be first noticed at your front door, and will probably start as a handgun conflict, then escalate to a greater distance.
That is, unless you know someone who will give you a heads up that they're coming.
So a box of ammo a month spent in practice is a good investment.
616 posted on 08/17/2012 10:08:44 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: archy
Thank you all for the support.
But again I say, first notice of the "gun confiscators" will be at our front door when the door bell rings, and that's where the first shots will be fired.
Be prepared for that battle.
617 posted on 08/17/2012 10:13:19 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

If you’ve got kids or grandkids here’s a great site:

http://www.mainlesson.com/main/displayarticle.php?article=mission

The stories are well told without the liberal yah, yah. These classics, along with Aesops and the Bible, build great cultures and people.


618 posted on 08/18/2012 3:13:49 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: archy

Are the guys in that picture exceptionally short (young) or are their rifles exceptionally long?


619 posted on 08/18/2012 7:46:47 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 1010RD

Thanks.


620 posted on 08/19/2012 1:48:01 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: RC one
Obama is not one of us. Yes I could see people of his type nuking a section of the country that has gone rogue against them. They are moral relativists and they want to get the population down anyway. Nukes can be scaled down and don't think they still don't have the parts for a few neutron bombs lying around which won't leave lasting radiation effects on the country side when the people are taken out. I have no illusions concerning just how evil some of these people are and how ruthless they'll be to acheive their ends!
621 posted on 08/20/2012 4:50:54 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Not left wing! Not right wing! But....CHRIST WING!)
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To: Yosemitest; Travis McGee
But again I say, first notice of the "gun confiscators" will be at our front door when the door bell rings, and that's where the first shots will be fired.

Be prepared for that battle.

Nope. The first nonlethal return shots were fired in 1995, and caused some 11 million dollars worth of damage. The first lethal response was on 11 October, 2001.

622 posted on 08/21/2012 11:46:53 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: zeugma

God bless both these men.

Concur.

623 posted on 08/21/2012 11:53:19 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: DuncanWaring
Are the guys in that picture exceptionally short (young) or are their rifles exceptionally long?

Both, I think. I'm guessing the kids- young men in responsibility if kids in years- to be about 14 years old. Their Vintovka Mosina rifles are likely the early 3-line rifle, Model 1891, with a longer [800mm barrel than the more usually encountered M91 and M91-30 Mosin-Nagant rifles of the WWII period. 1,306 meters overall, 1,738 meters with bayonet.

624 posted on 08/21/2012 12:22:51 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

Thanks - I thought they looked like “early teens”, if not younger, but wasn’t sure.


625 posted on 08/21/2012 12:31:36 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Thanks - I thought they looked like “early teens”, if not younger, but wasn’t sure.

Look likke circa 13-14-year-old Civil Air Patrol cadets to me.

626 posted on 08/21/2012 3:11:35 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy
I don't understand the connection.
Can you be more specific?
I have an close friend that spent several years at Kwajalein.
627 posted on 08/21/2012 4:26:06 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest
I don't understand the connection.

Can you be more specific?

It's buried as the last paragraf of the story:

Peacekeeper has been hit with other calamities. In 1995, the Air Force investigated the apparently random shooting of a Peacekeeper missile carried by train from Wyoming to California. Once at Vandenberg, crews discovered the bullet holes in the first and second stages causing about ,11 million damage.

I have an close friend that spent several years at Kwajalein.

Thats a pretty good alibi!

628 posted on 08/21/2012 5:37:36 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

I’m not a radar and electronics expert, but my friend is.


629 posted on 08/21/2012 6:58:29 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: miele man
Google the “29 Palms Questionnaire”, circa 1998 or 99

*sigh*, I was given that questionaire. It was before 1996 tho - when I left my Btry. I remember being really busy that day and someone grabbed me out of the blue and told me to sit down and take this survery out in front of the PX at Camp Wilson (staging area for heading out into the boonies) really quick. Since it was really an out of the blue thing I remember being highly confused/offended by the question but I dont remember answering it.

630 posted on 08/23/2012 8:11:20 AM PDT by SwankyC (Math isnt science)
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To: SwankyC

Thanks for your reply. I’d almost forgotten what I said about this issue. I’ve been taken to task by a couple of posters who said I had my head up my rear on this and that I had the date wrong. Now comes your comment which suggests to me that this questionnaire may have been administered more than two or three times. I do notice that I did have the date wrong in my original post. I typed 1998 or 99; what I meant to type was 1988 or 89. I was living in Baltimore at the time and was corresponding with a retired General officer about this very issue. He confirmed the fact of the questionnaire and was quite upset by it.

Thanks for your reply and thanks for your service.


631 posted on 08/23/2012 9:49:41 AM PDT by miele man
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To: miele man

right on FRiend.


632 posted on 08/23/2012 12:04:32 PM PDT by SwankyC
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