Posted on 08/17/2012 3:40:53 PM PDT by mkjessup
Thank you, I agree with every word.
This conservative site, while disagreeing with you, has called a truce to let you Romney devotees have your say.
I guess we will hear a lot from you guys.
You know this might be an opportune time to point out that as a majority of posters commenting on my humble vanity adamantly oppose you, that nobody twisted your arm to bring you into this thread just to have your ass handed to you.
Nothing personal, just sayin’.
“Justify your moral slip of convenience SOMEWHERE ELSE”
Where is it written that you have a say in where mkjessup posts?
*BEAT OBAMA*
Thanks Meg, but that’s ok - the joker in question has pledged their fealty to Virgil Goode in Virginia, which unfortunately is going to be one of the places where there exists the possibility that if Virgil Goode could sap off enough votes, he could tip the state into the ‘Rat column in a close contest, and depending on how close the national race is, Virgil Goode could end up being one of the factors (perhaps the only factor) that assures the re-election of 0bama.
And won’t those Virgilantes be proud of themselves when America is cursed with another 4 years of 0bama?
I’m hoping those folks of such a mind in Virginia will give their heads a shake and realize what is really at stake here. It was not an easy thing for me to go from Mitt-basher to Mitt-voter. As I said in the beginning of this thread, I don’t love Mitt, I don’t even like him, but I don’t have to like him if he is able to purge the White House of that miserable little Kenyan pretender.
Thanks for your comments Meg, I appreciate them.
I can respect those (such as the owner of this site) who choose not to support Romney as our nominee. I can respect people taking a principled stand. What I don't respect however are those who spam these threads over and over with their ugly screeds and their demonization of people who do not 100% agree with them. Do they really think these tactics are going to win people over to their side? What these tactics do however is divide us into factions when we should be on the same team, which must be a source of comfort to the Obama camp.
I refuse to take part in these wars but I have no problem stating my own views on the matter. Romney was not my choice. Pretty much since election night in 2008, I had set my sights on Sarah Palin becoming the 2012 nominee and setting things right again with respect to the presidency. However, my dreams were shattered last October when she decided to not run at all. Rather than pouting like a child, stamping my feet, etc., I started looking at the other candidates. Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Santorum, etc.
I never saw the appeal that Newt Gingrich had with this forum. I always thought of him as a self-important buffoon, an entrenched "go along to get along" party hack who enriched himself at the public trough at our expense. Somebody who was part of the problem in D.C., not part of the solution. Yet all that said, if he was our nominee, I'd still be supporting him over Obama.
I believe Romney won the nomination because he ran a smart campaign. While other candidates got caught up in the circular firing squad during the primaries, Romney stayed in the background, looked good in the debates, and methodically racked up the delegates. Thus when the primaries were over, Romney was not only the last man standing but he had the necessary delegates to secure the nomination.
So now the fact is that Mitt Romney is the only man standing between us and an Obama second term, which most of us believe will be the end of our nation as we know it. So the question remains: Is Romney so bad that we are better off with an Obama re-election?
My answer to that is a resounding NO!
For all his faults, Mitt Romney is Winston freaking Churchill compared to Barack Obama and the America-hating scum that surround him. We must remove Barack Obama this November. We must.
I will be among the first ones to hold Mitt's feet to the fire if he doesn't fly right after his election. But between now and November, I'm not going to bash Mitt Romney because he is the only person that can send the moving vans to the White House on the evening of January 19th.
Now a few things about the RECENT conduct of Mitt Romney. I must say that I have so far been impressed with the campaign that Mitt has been running since he wrapped this nomination up. No major blunders (despite mainstream media trying to manufacture them). Mitt's been like cool hand Luke these past few months. Piling up money left and right (that he can't spend until after the convention). Choosing an excellent running mate who is not only conservative but ready for prime time. Bubblehead Katie Couric is probably afraid to interview him. Now I loved Sarah Palin but during the 2008 election, I cringed whenever I saw her going up against the mainstream media talking heads who were out to get her. She just wasn't ready for that. Paul Ryan - he will eat them for breakfast and they know it.
Speaking of Paul Ryan, if this is indicative of how Mitt Romney is going to choose his staff and cabinet after he is elected, then I think a lot of us here are going to be pleasantly surprised. Remember that Mitt Romney did an excellent job picking subordinates when he headed Bain Capital. He has a knack for surrounding himself with top-notch people and this is a very important skill for a chief executive to have.
With regard to Romney's stint as Massachusetts governor, remember that he had to work with state legislature that was 90% Democrat. The Democrats controlled the entire state so while I personally was disappointed with Romney's job performance as governor, I'm hard pressed to see what he could have done differently given the environment he had to work in. As for RomneyCare, that's an awful stain that he's going to have to bear. But I also realize that this would have happened with or without Romney and had a Democrat been governor, we would have been saddled with a much more onerous and intrusive health care plan.
I also understand that Romney has taken some inexcusable positions with social issues over the years. No defense for that other than the fact that he's been silent on them since securing his nomination. Perhaps when given a Republican House and Congress, a President Romney will have no need to pander to the homosexual lobby crowd and such. Regardless, we still have the alternative of Obama and so I'll take my chances with President Romney.
So in closing, I thank you for starting the thread and the interesting discussion that followed. I've been a member of this Free Republic for fifteen years and I've been supporting it with $30 a month for most of this time. I'd hate to have those 15 years pissed away on account of a small cadre of ABR people who seem to feel that anybody voting for Mitt Romney is some kind of turncoat, so I'm not going to engage them and add to the infighting that is going on. But I'm not going to stay in the shadows either. I am voting the Romney/Ryan ticket in November and then I'm voting Tea Party conservative all the way downticket. We are going to build on our gains of 2010 and I'm banking that President Romney will pleasantly surprise us all. If not, we will at least have Obama licking ice-cream cones and playing golf on a full-time basis while the Republican controlled House and Senate go about setting things right in our country once again.
My pleasure.
I don’t recall one Romney suppporter here during the primaries.
We are fighting to rescue the nation from Obamanation, his Czars, his whole administration.
Romney made a good choice for VP. He may pleasantly surprise us..but first he must beat the Marxist.
I pray Goode doesn’t spoil the Virginia vote and give the state to Obama..What possible good can that do?
Obama is destroying the nation we love.
Sam, I thank you for your wise commentary and your reality-based view of the situation. I commend, endorse and echo your sentiments 100 percent. Your post #286 should be saved for re-distribution as necessary (and in fact I’m going to copy/paste it to my friends and family both on and offline (assuming that’s ok with you, with proper attribution).
This vanity may be the first that I’ve ever posted in all of my years on FR (I honestly can’t remember), but I have been wrestling with this issue for many many weeks, and after reaching the decision that I did, and posting what I have, I now have peace of mind, the kind that says I will do all that I possibly can do to see that filthy Kenyan Kommunist thrown out of OUR White House in November.
Ronald Reagan would vote for Romney. Sarah Palin is voting for Romney. So too are Gingrich, Santorum, Perry and Cain. I have no doubt that my very favorite former Congressman, Duncan Hunter of California (who would have made an excellent President), will be voting for Romney.
I remember well the campaign slogan of the GOP in 1980, “The time is now, Reagan-Bush” and although I wasn’t all that enamored with Poppy Bush on the ticket, I pulled the lever enthusiastically for the Gipper. Now, 32 years later, the slogan could well be “Time has run out, vote Romney-Ryan, while you still can.”
My best to you and yours Sam, thanks for the comments.
Thank you for the kind comments and yes, absolutely feel free to re-distribute my comments anywhere you see fit that will help the cause. This is a public forum and I expect that whatever I post here can be seen by anybody at anytime.
Ya haf to unnerstand the Dems see politics as a broken-bottle, knife and gun, bar-room brawl...in other words “war” for survival...
In the words of one helluva an American
“As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.”
Donald Rumsfeld
I may not agree much with Romney ....but unlike Obama, he DOES have the executive skills and experience to get the job done.
I sure do wish it’d been Palin , however..
Your post # 286 is outstanding. It crystallizes the issues for all of us in this campaign, along with a historical perspective that I and many others here share with you.
Thank you.
Your level of BS and dishonesty and distortion and anti-Reaganism, and anti-conservatism, is high.
Reagan-*””did evolve to be solidly pro-life. Despite his (then) scandalously liberal personal life as a divorcee (Jane Wyman)””
You lied to smear Reagan, Reagan was always pro-life and never known for a scandalous personal life.
Reagan-*””Thank goodness that conservatives supported him despite his Libertarian social leanings “”
You keep lying, Reagan was the first pro-life and social conservative presidential hero of the social conservatives. If you want social libertarian go with HW Bush, or Carter, or Ford, or Clinton, etc. not the hero of the religious right.
*””I think that the points that you make about Romney aligning himself with mainstream Rockerfeller/Country Club Republicans, or cozying up with the ruling Democrat power brokers while he was in business at Bain Capital in Boston are consistent with a pragmatist who is working with the existing power structures, or positioning himself to get elected in Massachusetts. (such as registering as an independent, and voting for the local candidate from Mass, Paul Tsongas in the Democrat primary, but not in the general election). Any responsible executive has an obligation to manage a favorable relationship with the political powerbrokers - it is common to contribute to both sides like Trump does.””
Wow, lots of lying, I never said that stuff, or anything close to it, because that is a fake description that you made up of Romney’s political past.
*””The rumor I heard on abortion is that a Romney family member died from an illegal abortion, but that is just an unsourced rumor.””
I don’t know whether you are lying here, or just don’t know much about Mitt Romney, I think that you just don’t know much about Romney.
*”” His ACU rating of 88% while Govenor shows that he was not the unmitigated liberal that he is painted as by some on this forum.””
Come on guy... The ACU doesn’t rate governors.
*””He was considered by many in the Republican establishment as too conservative for the 2008 nomination.””
We missed that at freerepublic, care to share with us?
Well-said Sam
I supported Ron Paul for various reasons. He has, as have all the other candidates, added depth and texutre to the discussion. I support Rommney/Ryan because I am positive that permitting Hussain and his henchmen to win again will enslave my children and rob me. And rob the country.
There were tons of them, in 2008 and in this cycle, many got banned, many of his 6 year supporters are still here, lots and lots of them.
Excellent, SamAdams!
*””I think that the points that you make about Romney aligning himself with mainstream Rockerfeller/Country Club Republicans, or cozying up with the ruling Democrat power brokers while he was in business at Bain Capital in Boston are consistent with a pragmatist who is working with the existing power structures, or positioning himself to get elected in Massachusetts. (such as registering as an independent, and voting for the local candidate from Mass, Paul Tsongas in the Democrat primary, but not in the general election).””
I didn’t say that, I said this.
“That doesn’t describe Mitt Romney at all, Romney knows exactly who he is, and has passionately advanced his politics, with money, fund raising, campaigning, governing, and he has been bold in his speaking for, and advancing liberalism, and now he is the presidential nominee of the republican party.
Romney set out 5 years ago to create the myth that Reagan was pro-choice, he has spread it on TV, radio, in interviews , calling Reagan “adamantly pro-choice”.
Romney despises Reagan, Reagan ran against his father in the presidential primary of 1968. Mitt Romney renounced his republican party membership in 1979, because of Reagan winning the nomination.
After leaving the party because of Reagan, Romney became a supporter of liberal republicans through the 1980s, until 1989, after that, all of Romney’s donations went to democrats, Romney even did democrat fundraising and voted democrat, and then in October of 1993, after Reagan was gone, and Bush defeated for reelection, Romney rejoined the GOP.
In 1994, Mitt was giving to, and fund raising for Planned Parenthood and campaigning on having been anti-Reagan during the Reagan years.
When 2005/6 came, and it was time to take over the GOP at the national level, he did almost an entire reversal of all of his public politics and beliefs, did it work? Read your posts, look at who the nominee is, it worked.”
Being a voter in a battleground state is quite a bit different than being a voter where small cnances are presented by the action of casting a vote.
I my state, my vote gets rid of Claire McCaskill in the US Senate and gets a hard headed conservative Akin in her place with the experience of already having served in the House.
Likewise, the very real odds are that Missouri voters will not give a majority to Obama and thereby deny him the electoral votes to win. It is a bell weather state in most elections.
Running against Obama is a typical Republican compromised candidate. But with the weak field that ran against him is that his responsibility?
I will take his willingness to work with a Republican Congress to be worlds different than what would result from an Obama election.
Now if I lived in a solid leftist state and felt my vote was little more that a drop in the bucket trying to put out the fire of leftist socialism, I would be pissed that no “game changer” had risen from the ranks. I would think that my anger should be shown to those promoting others.
Both of these instances are understandable, but I am from Missouri and here we want the proof, the chance, the exhibit of what you can do — we say, Show Me and that is what my vote will allow.
*””Romney aligning himself with mainstream Rockerfeller/Country Club Republicans, or cozying up with the ruling Democrat power brokers while he was in business at Bain Capital in Boston are consistent with a pragmatist who is working with the existing power structures, or positioning himself to get elected in Massachusetts. (such as registering as an independent, and voting for the local candidate from Mass, Paul Tsongas in the Democrat primary, but not in the general election). Any responsible executive has an obligation to manage a favorable relationship with the political powerbrokers - it is common to contribute to both sides like Trump does.””
That isn’t what he did, or was doing.
Having left the GOP, and being anti-Reagan, Romney became a supporter of liberal, anti-conservative republicans through the 1980s, until 1989, after that, all of Romney’s donations went to democrats, Romney even did democrat fundraising and voted democrat, and then in October of 1993, after Reagan was gone, and Bush defeated for reelection, Romney reregistered republican.
Romney donated to Democrats: Not “Boston” democrats, although he did do fund raising for Planned Parenthood.
Democrat Congressman Dick Swett of New Hamshire, the next election Swett was defeated by republican Bob Smith for a Senate seat.
Congressman John J. La Falce (D New York) and Douglas Delano Anderson, an unsuccessful Democratic primary candidate for the U.S. Senate seat held by Utah Republican Jake Garn, who retired that year.
The two Democratic House members who Romney funded were solidly liberal. For 1992, Rep. Swett had a 32 rating (out of 100) from the American Conservative Union and an 85 from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action. That year, LaFalce scored a 12 ACU rating and a Swett-like 85 from the ADA.
Mitt Romney held a fund raiser for democrat Dave Anderson in an effort to take the Utah Senate seat of Jake Garn (R-UT), who was leaving, luckily republican Bob Bennet, defeated Mitt’s candidate for the Utah Senate seat.
Meanwhile, Romney supported the Massachusetts GOP with a $2,000 check on April 13, 1988, and another $1,000 on July 17, 1989. However, he did not write another check to Republicans until he donated another $1,000 to the Massachusetts GOP on October 27, 1993. So, between July 1989 and October 1993, Romney exclusively financed these three Democrats.
Romney voted for Paul Tsongas in 1992, when Tsongas crushed the opposition in the secret ballot, Massachusetts primary, with 67%, while Clinton got 11%, and HW Bush got 66% in the republican primary.
We don’t know how Mitt Romney voted in the general election that year.
“As for being a party builder, his leadership as titular head of the Massachusetts Republican Party has been disastrous, with the state GOP suffering massive losses during his tenure,”
***Mitt Romney— “My hope is that, after this election, it will be the moderates of both parties who will control the Senate, not the Jesse Helms”
Alrighty then, you have convinced me....... I am voting for obama. snort///////
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