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Social Security Administration Explains Plan to Buy 174,000 Hollow-Point Bullets
CNS News ^ | 8/16/2012 | Penny Starr

Posted on 08/17/2012 4:19:34 PM PDT by IbJensen

(CNSNews.com) – The Social Security Administration posted a blog on Thursday to explain why it was planning to purchase 174,000 hollow point bullets.

SSA posted a "Request for Quote for Ammunition" on the FedBizOps.gov website on Aug. 7. The request listed the commodity that SSA desired as ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition." The quantity listed was "174 TH."

The SSA’s Office of the Inspector General’s said it posted a new blog on the agency’s website, “Beyond the Numbers,” “as we strive to be a transparent and accountable government organization for all of our stakeholders.

“With those goals in mind, we thought it would be appropriate to address recent media reports regarding the organization’s purchase of ammunition for our special agents’ duty weapons,” the blog post states.

The blog states that the SSA has 295 special agents who work in 66 offices across the United States.

“These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests,” the blog post states. “Our investigators are similar to your State or local police officers.

“They use traditional investigative techniques, and they are armed when on official duty,” the blog post states.

Concern expressed in some media reports about the type of ammunition ordered by the agency is unfounded, the blog states, explaining that the .357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacked hollow point pistol ammunition is “standard issue for many law enforcement agencies” and is appropriate for the work agents perform.

“Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately,” the blog post states. “They not only investigate allegations of Social Security fraud, but they also are called to respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees, and customers.”

The blog also links to another post about a fight that broke out near an SSA office in Massachusetts that required action by law enforcement officials.

“SSA is processing more applications than ever, which means more traffic in SSA office,” the blog states. “Employee and visitor safety is the highest priority for OIG, which, together with the Federal Protective Services and local law enforcement, has jurisdiction over SSA workplaces.”

Prior to the blog being posted, CNSNews.com had asked the agency specific questions about its ammunition order. Although some of those questions were addressed by the information provided in the blog, the agency did not say why it needed 174,000 bullets and if that quantity was customary or had increased from previous orders.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ammunition; bigbrother; donutwatch; evilobamaregime; gestapo; guns; leo; socialsecurity; ssa
The government earlier this year bought up something 450 million rounds of 40 cal hollow point ammo and then this month they ordered another 750 million rounds, so you just have to wonder what are they up to. The hollow point cannot be used in combat that is a home defense round, they also bought enough 40 cal pistols to arm every TSA agent in the country and then some.
1 posted on 08/17/2012 4:19:38 PM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

I can understand a monthly requirement to visit the range but this is a bit much. Just a reminder that the conpiratorial Alex Jones from info wars has been talking about this for months. Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths. Expecting something?


2 posted on 08/17/2012 4:25:36 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: IbJensen

580 plus rounds EACH for their agents.

First question, what is the SSA doing with 200+ agents? Second question, how often do they need to qualify?
Third question, how often are they required to practice?


3 posted on 08/17/2012 4:26:23 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: IbJensen

Niiice - so these “domestic” agencies have collectively accumulated enough ammo to put at least 4 rounds into every single one of us in the US. Nothing to see here. Move on. All is well!!! Any analogy between Obama’s desire and fascism/marxism is TOTALLY bogus. C’mon man - why would you trust your lying eyes versus Team Obama?? Hope and change!!


4 posted on 08/17/2012 4:29:13 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: IbJensen

Well, there’s gonna be a lot of pissed-off grandmas after that evil Romney and Ryan take away their Social Security!


5 posted on 08/17/2012 4:29:59 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: ronnie raygun

My husband, a retired Army professional marksman, does not think that hollow point bullets are appropriate for range practice. They are intended to be kill shots.


6 posted on 08/17/2012 4:33:17 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: IbJensen



7 posted on 08/17/2012 4:35:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: taxcontrol

Fourth question: why do they need to practice with hollow-points?


8 posted on 08/17/2012 4:41:05 PM PDT by DManA
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To: ArmyTeach
And they are outlawed for use in combat by treaty:

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body. [3] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, as well as weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable. NATO members do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet

9 posted on 08/17/2012 4:43:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: IbJensen
It is time to really fear Government. We are so close to a total loss of our freedom and no way to overcome. My advice is for good law abiding Americans to stock up and announce ready to fight for the real America. The Second in our Constitution realized that some day will come.
10 posted on 08/17/2012 4:52:02 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Logical me

Is this the well armed “civilian army” that obama promised us. Hollow points are made for killing only and not for practice. Does the obamamites fear an insurrection. OIF vet


11 posted on 08/17/2012 4:57:42 PM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: Logical me

It’s going to be 100x worse, if that POS gets another 4yrs. He’s got nothing left to lose, and will dictate by EO, bypassing the Constitution and Congress. 93% of America has no frigging clue as to what’s coming, as long as their TVs work and toilets flush. God help us all...


12 posted on 08/17/2012 4:58:25 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: IbJensen
SSA? Other offices? They're afraid, like so many others. They're afraid that they'll be attacked. They're afraid that supplies of ammunition will run short and/or that prices will go higher. Panic and hysteria are attitude of the times in politics. Look at shrieking, paranoid political speech from the various groups of socialist government-income interests in the various political parties and subgroups fighting each other over the pile of cheapening debt.

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

  Hysteria \Hys*te"ri*a\, n. [NL.: cf. F. hyst['e]rie. See
     Hysteric.] (Med.)
     A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women,
     in which the emotional and reflex excitability is
     exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished,
     so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes
     the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into
     paroxism or fits.
     [1913 Webster]
  
     Note: The chief symptoms are convulsive, tossing movements of
           the limbs and head, uncontrollable crying and laughing,
           and a choking sensation as if a ball were lodged in the
           throat. The affection presents the most varied
           symptoms, often simulating those of the gravest
           diseases, but generally curable by mental treatment
           alone. Hysteric


The good news is that few healthier Americans (those not involved in the contemporary socialist politics of any party) bother to take the hysteria seriously. Truly private (not government-linked), truly conservative interests are only watching the weird political show from the outside. The societal consequences of pathological policies disseminated from oddballs in universities to the population are entertaining and sometimes funny to all who see justice around the corner of our near future (think Monty Python).


How Dramatically Did Women's Suffrage Change the Size and Scope of Government?

JOHN R. LOTT Jr.
American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (download links for whole document at bottom of page)

September 1998

University of Chicago Law School, John M. Olin Law & Economics Working Paper No. 60
Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 107, Number 6, Part 1, pp. 1163-1198, December 1999

Abstract:
This paper examines the growth of government during this century as a result of giving women the right to vote. Using cross-sectional time-series data for 1870 to 1940, we examine state government expenditures and revenue as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws. Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives, and these effects continued growing over time as more women took advantage of the franchise. Contrary to many recent suggestions, the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s, and it helps explain why American government started growing when it did.


13 posted on 08/17/2012 4:59:21 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: IbJensen

Ok, so fine, there is some minimal need for such but I find it interesting that so many departments with similar minimal needs have all decided to make large purchases weeks before the end of the fiscal year of the federal government. Just another coinky-dink of this administration, I’m sure.


14 posted on 08/17/2012 5:05:58 PM PDT by bgill
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks IbJensen.


15 posted on 08/17/2012 5:07:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: IbJensen
Hmmmmmm. The Social Security Administration. `Quality of Life' review panels. .40 caliber hollow-points ......... Oh, the huge manatee!
16 posted on 08/17/2012 5:09:48 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: IbJensen

Maybe these agencies should be looking over their shoulders.

The sh!tstorm is around the corner. And they know it.


17 posted on 08/17/2012 5:24:17 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: IbJensen

If this is routine, then there must be records of similar purchases in previous years. If such is the case, then perhaps this *is* no big deal. However, in other articles I’ve read about this, reporters have asked about purchases of previous years and SSA has refused to give any accounting for that. This is troubling.


18 posted on 08/17/2012 5:42:16 PM PDT by pjd
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To: ArmyTeach
My husband, a retired Army professional marksman, does not think that hollow point bullets are appropriate for range practice. They are intended to be kill shots.

Exactly. Full jacketed bullets are used for proficiency training. JHP are used for kill shots.

QUESTION: Is it ridiculous to believe that a corrupt crony government will disarm the people at the behest of their super elite and mega rich cronies who own our government and have their own security?

If you were rich and could walk away with billions like those on Wall Street and as others have done, without ever paying the price of prosecution, would you prefer having armed peasants around, or would you prefer that they be disarmed?

Since prehistoric times, the weak have been kept weak by keeping them working and unarmed. Will it change now?

19 posted on 08/17/2012 5:52:10 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Titan Magroyne

It goes on. “Practice” with expensive hollow-point ammo is a waste of money. While our govenment are experts at wasting money, perhaps there’s more than they are letting on? It goes on.


20 posted on 08/17/2012 5:56:57 PM PDT by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw [Robert A. Heinlein])
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To: IbJensen

It is time to stop ALL of these agency police from the Railroad Police to the SS. I don’t even think the FBI is Constitutional much less the others.


21 posted on 08/17/2012 5:58:14 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Drumbo

You and I both know those aren’t practice rounds.

While NATO troops are forbidden HP rounds in international conflicts, there is no such restriction against domestic use upon citizens of the U.S.

On the other hand, Federal agency budgets must be fully expended at the end of the fiscal year soon to come, or the followinkg year’s budget will be cut. I’m left to wonder at the justification - and the decision maker for all these seemingly random alphabet agencies - for spending it all on er ah social use ammunition. Like what they’d load up on if they anticipated hostile interaction with members of the general public.


22 posted on 08/17/2012 7:04:25 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: carriage_hill

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/obamas_second_term_transformation_plans.html]


Buckwheat’s plans for the dictatorship.


23 posted on 08/17/2012 7:39:29 PM PDT by matthew fuller (They'll have to pry my gun, my bible, and my chikin from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: IbJensen

Winning The Future!!!

The Border guards use bean bag guns and are advised to duck and evade when confronted by a Mexican gangster.

Yet, the SS folks are issued hollow point bullets???


24 posted on 08/17/2012 8:07:26 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: taxcontrol
Third question, how often are they required to practice?

Fourth question, why do they need hollow-point bullets for practice or to qualify?

25 posted on 08/17/2012 8:11:27 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: IbJensen
The government earlier this year bought up something 450 million rounds of 40 cal hollow point ammo and then this month they ordered another 750 million rounds, so you just have to wonder what are they up to.

Stocking up in advance of ammo restrictions?

26 posted on 08/18/2012 12:54:34 AM PDT by danielmryan
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To: IbJensen

The biggest gun nuts are our Federale Gov’t. We have all kinds of Fed agencies with armed idiots. I know the Ag department has armed chicken inspectors and enforcers. And the ATF is the worst going by their botched raid on the Branch Davidians. I know there are good ATF agents but overall it’s a lousy stupid agency


27 posted on 08/18/2012 1:08:25 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: matthew fuller

Almost exactly what I’ve seen happening and believed for 2yrs+ now. Who knew it could happen to us, this fast?

93% of America has no clue. And so many “diehards” on FR are just skipping the vote against him/for Romney for mere “downticket” choices. If he gets a 2nd term, nothing “downticket” will matter one damned bit.

Forget the Dec 21st, 2012 Mayan Calendar end-times crap; Nov 7th is far, far more important...

Was this article ever posted in it entirety?


28 posted on 08/18/2012 4:16:54 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: jesseam
Hollow points are made for killing only and not for practice.
Yup.
29 posted on 08/18/2012 4:18:47 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: IbJensen

Personally I can see a nationwide campaign to get millions of Americans used to the idea of wearing body armor, I don’t mean bulky flak vests, lightweight concealed outerwear with ballistic material sewn inside.

There are quite a few companies around that sell nice looking clothes with such material, I buy remnants of ballistic cloth like Kevlar and I sewn them into my Carhart double knee work pants, makes them last a lot longer and are also good for protection when I ride my motorcycles.


30 posted on 08/18/2012 4:27:49 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Vote for Sarah Palin, she is the cure to the disease and infection of socialism.)
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To: Titan Magroyne
Back in March of this year, Homeland Security purchased 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow points. The National Weather Service just closed a bid solicitation for 16,000 rounds of .40 cal. S&W hollow points. NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement has said the bid mistakenly identified NOAA's National Weather Service as the requesting office, so hey there's no probem, "it will be used by the 63 NOAA Fisheries enforcement personnel in their firearms qualifications and training." B.S.! That glorified government security cops are being issued massive ammounts of high-dollar hollow points is disturbing. These are not practice rounds, they are for kill shots - you know it and I know it despite the press releases that chaulk it all up to training. Only fools ruefuse to connect the dots. They'll be arming the postal service soon, because they know when (not if) the money implodes, anyone in a government job will be charged with putting down an insurrection.
31 posted on 08/18/2012 2:59:39 PM PDT by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw [Robert A. Heinlein])
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To: ronnie raygun

Why do our Government, non-military employees have ammunition specifically forbidden for our military men and women to use during a war?


32 posted on 08/19/2012 6:18:22 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: jesseam

You practice with what you’re going to shoot with in your carry gun. How else will you know if you have a feed problem?


33 posted on 08/19/2012 9:10:28 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: jesseam

Are hollow points available to ordinary citizens who have gun licenses?


34 posted on 08/21/2012 6:59:34 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: jesseam

Are hollow points available to ordinary citizens who have gun licenses?


35 posted on 08/21/2012 7:00:32 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

The ammo I used in Iraq was not hollow point so why hollow point for civilian agencies????


36 posted on 08/22/2012 7:52:50 AM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: IbJensen

The Loyalist (Tory) militia needs munitions and arms to fight the rebels. They aren’t armed now with little more than an obamaphone.


37 posted on 02/04/2013 3:07:45 PM PST by steveyp
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