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Minnesota marriage amendment foe allowed to keep donation anonymous
pioneer press ^ | 8-18-12 | Billy Salisbury

Posted on 08/18/2012 7:48:30 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

A Roman Catholic Church employee who gave $600 to a group leading the opposition to a Minnesota constitutional amendment limiting marriage to heterosexual couples does not have to reveal his name.

State campaign finance regulators said in a decision Friday, Aug. 17, that the donor could be identified as "John Doe" in contribution reports to protect him from being fired by church officials.

It is the first time an individual has been exempted from the state's disclosure requirement, said Gary Goldsmith, executive director of the state Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board.

The donor told the board that when he contributed to Minnesotans United for All Families this year, he was not aware that his name and address would be made public on the organization's disclosure statements.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: anonymity; anonymous; campaign; church; coward; donor; freespeech; homosexualagenda; marriage; mn

1 posted on 08/18/2012 7:48:34 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

So, do we take it that this exemption only applies if you are pro-death?


2 posted on 08/18/2012 7:51:14 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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The donor told the board that when he contributed to Minnesotans United for All Families this year, he was not aware that his name and address would be made public on the organization's disclosure statements.

A none too bright wolf amongst the sheep.

3 posted on 08/18/2012 7:51:47 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Another example of someone who took a position knowing their beliefs are in direct conflict with their job, now they want the government to protect them? It can’t be to hard to figure out who this guy is and quietly ask him to leave.

It does not go against the 1st Amendment. The church is not a government entity therefore not subject to the Bill of Rights. The Constitution protects us from government, not private establishments.


4 posted on 08/18/2012 7:54:25 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

Of course, those who support the amendment will have their names, addresses, phone numbers, photos and daily schedules distributed to deranged employees of the local LGBTQ center, along with a list of nearby gun shops.


5 posted on 08/18/2012 7:55:02 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98

>> Of course, those who support the amendment will have their names, addresses, phone numbers...

Exactly.


6 posted on 08/18/2012 7:59:05 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: TurboZamboni
Some of my political beliefs run counter to my employer's interests, to the point where if my politics ruled, my employer could not exist in its present form.

If I were to donate to a cause promoting my politics in this area, I would hope that I could remain anonymous.

And, sauce for the goose. May “John Doe” eventually and recant as publicly as he has thus far acted privately.

7 posted on 08/18/2012 7:59:38 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now!)
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To: TurboZamboni
No need to be quiet about it.

"John Doe" is simply another one of Satan's useful idiots. That's something he should be proud of and loudly proclaim to the world. However, not only is he most likely intrinsically disordered, he's a coward to boot.

8 posted on 08/18/2012 8:00:35 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Cicero

“So, do we take it that this exemption only applies if you are pro-death?”

Sauce, goose, gander.

Donate through somebody else. Easy enough.


9 posted on 08/18/2012 8:04:05 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: madprof98
Wow, this is so nuts. I'm generally in favor of the privacy thing across the board, friend and foe alike. Publishing donors is-- for what reason? Exposing people to Punishment-я-Us?
10 posted on 08/18/2012 8:08:20 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: madprof98
I'm generally in favor of the privacy thing across the board, friend and foe alike. Publishing donors is-- for what reason? Exposing people to Punishment-я-Us?

Open to debate on this.

11 posted on 08/18/2012 8:11:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The whole purpose of public disclosure of lobbying activities is to give full disclosure about which individuals and corporations are looking to curry favor with elected officials. The principle here is that your right to privacy in these matters ceases to exist once you engage in lobbying a taxpayer-paid official for one reason or another.

This is why religious groups and true charities (and by this I mean fully tax-exempt organizations) are legally prohibited from lobbying for or against candidates for political office. You can't have a group lobbying public officials on the one hand, while at the same time hiding behind a First Amendment right to free speech or free exercise of religion to shield themselves from public exposure.

12 posted on 08/18/2012 9:08:50 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child
I don't know. LIke I said, I am open to argument.

If I were in the SF Bay Area and I wanted to contribute to the Prop. 8 campaign, I'd want to avoid being harassed on the job and my kids being targeted at school. I'd want to stay friends with my fellow Shape Note Singers and my fellow Community Gardeners.

So I guess I'd have to find somebody who would contribute my donation for me, somebody big enough to survive being revenge-listed on some gay blog. Because people in vulnerable positions can't give unless they're connected enough to find a bundler.

(True dilemma. Not mine -- I'm in TN --- but a dilemma for CA friends.)

Is that what it's come to?

13 posted on 08/18/2012 9:37:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: TurboZamboni

The church leadership stands on the double standards of heaven and hell as most church institutions do. A house, claiming allegence to Jesus that is divided against itself, can not stand. That is the status of modern churches. :(


14 posted on 08/18/2012 9:39:18 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Mrs. Don-o
“Is that what it's come to? “

Yes, I'm afraid “it” has indeed come to that.
I think it will get worse.

I can remember a time in the USA when citizens did not openly fear government. We accepted as appropriate a certain level of law and regulation as necessary for a free and peacefull society.

We no longer live in a peacefull and free society. We are very close to the tipping point, IMHO.

As a nation, we are now so deeply divided that there no longer exists one joint society. We are merely collections of various groups in violent opposition to each other.

15 posted on 08/18/2012 10:30:30 AM PDT by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom

I believe this societal division was greatly enhanced after the 1960s when the culture of drugs really started. Since then our Nation has been opened to so many do-goody parties/groups that people no longer care or give thought to what the Founding Fathers sought to establish. Of course the political foundation for such a change goes back to the days of POTUSA Wilson and the intent to put our government under the control of internationalists.


16 posted on 08/18/2012 11:16:34 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: TurboZamboni

A poll from July 22nd - still looks good:

“The poll by SurveyUSA, a public polling firm that partners with local TV stations, had 52 percent of voters saying they would vote for the amendment to 37 percent against it. Six percent were unsure; 5 percent would not vote.”

http://www.twincities.com/ci_21133292/new-poll-shows-large-margin-favor-marriage-amendment


17 posted on 08/18/2012 12:11:48 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

One does not have to use a religious reference to be pro traditional marriage. Society replenishes itself by providing a special nest [marriage] to raise replacement citizens. It is why there are exemptions by the IRS for families with children.

Same sex cohabiting is legal and they can establish a legal partnership with survival rights and powers of attorney, etc. They cannot, however, replenish society with citizens.

Marriage should stay traditional.


18 posted on 08/18/2012 12:30:44 PM PDT by Latecomer
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To: sarasmom
I feel deeply what you are saying.

When I was younger, even when I disagreed with the occupants of the current seats of power, I assumed (perhaps naively) that there were some people "up there" who at least had an eye on the common good. By "up there" I meant in any position of influence: the legislature, business, the courts, industry, labor, finance, the military, the political parties. Someone must be smart enough to know what was going on, and responsible enough to have some course of corrective action in mind, based on the requirements of virtue and the good of the nation.

And I thought there were people of good will everywhere.

Now I just don't know.

19 posted on 08/18/2012 12:50:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: ExGeeEye
Some of my political beliefs run counter to my employer's interests, to the point where if my politics ruled, my employer could not exist in its present form.

Why not find a new line of work or are you trying to sabotage the employer's agenda from within ?

20 posted on 08/18/2012 1:13:46 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Election night is 81 days away.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Can a double standard ever be so blatantly obvious?


21 posted on 08/18/2012 3:58:47 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: newzjunkey
find a new line of work

Really? You know, I'd like to. Perhaps following Regime Change.

[Are] you trying to sabotage the employer's agenda from within?

Their "agenda" so far as they have one, is fine. Their source of funding, and their attitude toward it, gives me pause. To be as vague as necessary, they provide a valuable service through unconstitutional (10th Amendment) means.

So I don't mind doing it, and don't much mind who I do it for; but have a political position that makes me disapprove of their revenue stream.

22 posted on 08/18/2012 6:43:55 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now!)
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