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After 30 years, the Marines are returning to the Colt .45 pistol
Stars and Stripes ^ | August 18, 2012 | By MATTHEW STURDEVANT

Posted on 08/18/2012 2:50:53 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

HARTFORD, Conn. — The newest Colt .45-caliber pistol is touted for its durability and design.

It is tested to make sure it can be dropped in water, covered in mud, immersed in sand or ice, or left in a dust storm — and still be able to blast off a round when you pull the trigger.

"Virtually, it's indestructible," said Casimir Pawlowski, who works in international sales and technical sevices for Colt Defense LLC. "You can drive over these things with a Humvee and they're still gonna work. It's like a brick that shoots bullets."

An order last month of new M45 Close Quarter Battle Pistols for the Marines is the first purchase of any Colt handgun in almost three decades by any branch of the U.S. military, though .45-caliber Colts were a trusty sidearm of the Army and Marines for most of the 20th century.

Pawlowski started working at Colt Defense several years ago after a 30-year career as a Navy Corpsman. In 1977, he joined the medical corps serving the Navy and U.S. Marines who carried an earlier version of the Colt as their official sidearm — the Model 1911 .45-caliber automatic.

"We saw the .45s out there, and that's what the guys wanted," Pawlowski said.

Connecticut's historic gun manufacturer first sold its semi-automatic Model 1911, designed by John Moses Browning, to the U.S. military in 1911. At the turn of the 19th century, the military was looking for a stronger handgun than the .38-caliber revolvers used in close combat during the Phillipine-American War. The .45-caliber promised knock-down power — more likely to kill than injure — compared with the .38-caliber.

Browning's design was an impressive development from 19th century single-action Army revolvers that held six, individually loaded bullets. The Model 1911 was designed to have a spring-loaded magazine of bullets fit vertically inside the pistol grip. The Model 1911 features a sliding top which ejects a bullet casing, or shell, immediately after a bullet is fired while slipping another round into position for the next shot.

"It's been a brilliant design," Pawlowski said. "Browning was kind of like the Jimi Hendrix of the gun world at the time."

The Model 1911 Colt has been called the "most respected handgun" and was carried, mostly by U.S. military officers, during both World Wars, in Korea and Vietnam.

But in 1985, the federal government, switched to Italian-owned Beretta to provide 9-millimeter pistols as the new official sidearm for the military. The switch was controversial in the 1980s.

The argument in favor of changing to 9-millimeter cartridges was mostly to standardize the U.S. military with other members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO. The U.S. General Accounting Office, however, said in 1982, leading up to the change, that substituting an existing inventory with 9-mm pistols would be costly. It wasn't clear if there was any advantage to a 9-mm round versus existing sidearms, the GAO report said.

In recent years, the Marine Corps has been building its own .45-caliber pistols at a facility in Quantico, Va., using parts from existing inventory of Model 1911 pistols and other commercial parts, said Barbara Hamby, spokeswoman for Marine Corps System Command, which orders guns for the Marines. The government, however, hadn't bought new handguns from Colt for decades. That changed this month with the first order of up to 12,000 Colt pistols, starting with 4,036 right away.

"The Colt pistol met or exceeded all requirements put forth in the solicitation and offered the best value to the government," Hamby said. "Colt Defense LLC successfully competed under a best value competitive source selection utilizing a performance specification. Any historical significance inferred from the selection of Colt's offered weapon is coincidental."

The West Hartford Colt manufacturing plant where the pistols are made, along with many other guns, is a spectacle of curiosities.

A computerized lathe about the size of an MRI machine sculpts gun barrels to the 1/10,000th of an inch.

In one room, a team of highly skilled engravers chisel designs on custom-made revolvers, making art on the firearm. They tap tiny, 24-karat-gold-wire strands into inlaid designs, including one pistol with a scrimshaw-scratched portrait of Samuel Colt on one side of the ivory handle.

Engraver Jan Gwinnell says he has been carving designs for Colt for 33 years. Master engraver George Spring said he's been with the company since 1975, though he started engraving earlier than that.

Colt even has a special sauce.

Deep inside the big-box factory is a square vat of chemicals that looks like a doughnut grease fryer, labeled "Activated Black Magic." Beside it are similar vats full of water. This is where polished, carbon steel pistols can be stained as azure as the deep ocean in Belize.

"That'll give you your royal blue finish on carbine steel," said Phil Hinkley, vice president of quality at Colt Defense LLC, said of the oxidizing chemical. "After they pull it out of here, they'll dip it into a cold water tank."

The color can be contrasted with inlaid gold, for example, for an exotic look to the expensive, custom-designed guns that are sold to collectors by the other Colt — the company under the same roof that makes consumer guns sold at WalMart, Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops and gun stores.

Colt gives a pair of customized guns to each standing president, though Bill Clinton was the only one not to accept the offer, Hinkley said.

In the back of the factory, the accuracy of guns is tested in an indoor shooting range. In addition to paper targets, a series of microphones use acoustics to track the bullets.

"They pick up the acoustics of the round going by, and they'll chart what the group size is," Hinkley said. The microphones also measure the number of rounds fired per minute and the gun's muzzle velocity.

Two companies share the 310,000-square-foot facility on New Park Avenue in a commercial and industrial strip next to BJ's Wholesale Club.

Colt Defense LLC was spun off from its parent company Colt's Manufacturing Company LLC in 2002 to protect the military-contract business from lawsuits against gun makers. Colt Defense sells to U.S. and allied militaries in 90 nations around the world as well as to law enforcement agencies. Colt's Manufacturing makes guns for regular customers, such as collectors, hunters and target shooters.

While the military hasn't bought Colt handguns in 27 years, the federal government has purchased other Colt firearms all along. Since the M4 carbine was introduced in 1993, the U.S. Army has been a major customer, buying 19,000 the next year for the Army and Special Forces. Colt sells machine guns to the military, too.

Throughout the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the military bought a steady supply of the M4 — a short, lightweight rifle, which is a successor to the M-16 that the government bought from the Vietnam era until 1988.

The drawdown of troops a few years ago contributed to a financial slump at Colt Defense as net sales dropped from $270 million to $175 million between 2009 and 2010. Last year, sales were up to $208 million. The company also recovered from an $11.3 million net loss in 2010 to report net income of $5.2 million last year.

The Marines' contract to buy up to 12,000 pistols for $22.5 million over five years means it accounts for about 2 percent of Colt Defense's annual sales. That's not enough to drive the success of the company. But the historic return to Colt sidearms is significant and it's a morale boost within the company.

"I call it in the category of 'cool,'" said Gerry Dinkel, CEO and president of Colt Defense.

"It just has a lot of ring to it when you have something that's this long lived," Dinkel said of the Model 1911.

The return to West Hartford-made Colts from Italian-owned Beretta also carries some patriotic pride.

Dinkel said, "A lot of people have said it's great to go back to an American supplier."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 1911; bang; banglist; colt; usmc
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To: yarddog

51 posted on 08/18/2012 3:56:52 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: MikeSteelBe
I’ll get flamed for this, but the 1911 in its original form is obsolete.

As a combat tool: agreed. But the 1911 is no more obsolete than a sailboat.

52 posted on 08/18/2012 3:57:16 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Jet Jaguar

$1,875 per?

The taxpayer is getting royally screwed here.


53 posted on 08/18/2012 3:59:22 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Joe 6-pack

Yes, but military ammo is not handload or typical commercial factory ammo. They seal the primers with lacquer, for starters. If you check out military AARs, restrike almost never solves a failure to fire. I would also point out that if you need to restrike, the hammer is exposed and it takes little time to recock a 1911.

I would further point out that restrike is so important, many modern DA-type pistols don’t actually have it. Glocks don’t, for example, and the militaries and police that have adopted them don’t seem to see as a problem.


54 posted on 08/18/2012 3:59:58 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Little Bill

Modern 1911s are far more accurate without sacrificing reliability.


55 posted on 08/18/2012 4:02:33 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mylife

Yes, I know what a CZ-75 is. And the DA/SA trigger has the same problem they all do - the trigger position varies between the DA first shot and the subsequent SA follow ups. So does the trigger effort.


56 posted on 08/18/2012 4:03:40 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
DA/SA sucks.

It's a crying' shame so many of the coolest frames are usually outfitted with this "feature" by default.

Then again, I'd probably be a lot poorer if they didn't.

57 posted on 08/18/2012 4:04:58 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Always A Marine
One criticism for the author: it was the Spanish-American War, not the "Philippine-American War."

Exactly!! That line annoyed me no end! Filipinos are our friends. We libertated them (and the Cubans and Puerto Ricans) in that war. We liberated them again in 1945

A warm salute to our Filipino friends on this board! Thank you for your warm friendship towards these United States
58 posted on 08/18/2012 4:06:16 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: NVDave

It says Colt on the side, of course they are.


59 posted on 08/18/2012 4:06:38 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

It is.

And we Browningites regard a trip to the range with a 1911 as one of our pillars. Knob Creek for a session on a Ma Duce is the equivalent of the haj.


60 posted on 08/18/2012 4:07:26 PM PDT by Rifleman
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To: null and void; Jet Jaguar
The M1911 has a flawless pedigree. It was developed specifically to kill muslim fanatics

That certainly is a compelling reason to reissue them.

I assume Force Recon experience with the M-45 MEUSOC has something to do with the decision.

61 posted on 08/18/2012 4:10:37 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Spktyr
In IPSC and PPC classes the disadvantage of a DA/SA is that they are required to fire the first round in DA mode, even if capable of firing SA. Converting them to SAO overcomes this rule.

I do believe under older IPSC rules, some classes excluded DA pistols altogether.

In the real world, where one may carry a DA pistol prepared to fire the first round SA if desired, those rules do not apply.

62 posted on 08/18/2012 4:11:59 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: papertyger
Yup. DAO isn't a lot better.

Me, I'll stick with SA/SAO. This is my carry piece of choice at current:

Springfield XD45 4" Compact in (duh) .45ACP. Single action, grip safety, reliable (many people report being unable to make it jam) and not overpriced like an H&K.

63 posted on 08/18/2012 4:12:10 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: 1L

I like the .45 so well, I even own a .45 ACP revolver. lol


64 posted on 08/18/2012 4:12:30 PM PDT by Errant
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To: gundog
What is interesting is that the M2 0.5 caliber machine gun originally unveiled in 1921 is still considered a potent weapon even by 2012 standards.

John M. Browning--Mormon and perhaps the greatest small arms designer of the 20th Century.

65 posted on 08/18/2012 4:13:53 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Hugin

Correct. The Moro uprising, with hyped up muzzies who could not be stopped with the S&W 38 Double Actions, nice as they were. So they went temporarily to a 45 cal revolver then to Brownings semi-auto and... history.


66 posted on 08/18/2012 4:13:58 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Joe 6-pack

In the real world, DA mode for first round often means “first round flyer” which goes nowhere near the point of aim. This is why many police departments have shifted to DAO and semi-DAO types.

And before you claim you would cock it first before firing to get to SA mode, wow, you just slowed yourself way down.


67 posted on 08/18/2012 4:14:24 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: papertyger

” the 1911 is no more obsolete than a sailboat.”

True, and the same can be said for a 1911 pistol and a Harley.

The popularity of both is due to emotional nostalgia, not technical superiority.


68 posted on 08/18/2012 4:15:08 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Spktyr
"I would also point out that if you need to restrike, the hammer is exposed and it takes little time to recock a 1911."

LOL...aren't you the one bitching about how horrible it is to have to readjust one's trigger finger between a DA and SA shot? You can re-cock a 1911 without shifting your grip on the weapon? You must have some long-ass thumbs.

69 posted on 08/18/2012 4:16:07 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Spktyr

GMTA. ;o)

That exact pistol is my secondary.


70 posted on 08/18/2012 4:16:41 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: NVDave

I think you are right, that price tag is ridiculous.


71 posted on 08/18/2012 4:17:07 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Yep. “Moros.” From the Spanish word for `Moors’: Muslims. We’ve always had problems with them. See photo above, 51.

They would get hopped up on something and the .38 wasn’t stopping them, so the Army contacted Mr. Browning for a .45 caliber handgun.

I started out with Browning’s P-35, or Hi-Power, and it led me to CZ line. The CZ .45 has 11 round capacity and, in my opinion, a more comfortable grip.


72 posted on 08/18/2012 4:17:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Spktyr
"And before you claim you would cock it first before firing to get to SA mode, wow, you just slowed yourself way down."

As I pointed out well upthread, the CZ75B is made to be carried in condition 1, just like a 1911.

73 posted on 08/18/2012 4:17:52 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: tumblindice

I have a colt 4091ss, fails once on every mag, but with lifetime warranty, I’ll get it fixed, my backup is a Ruger Super Redhawk baby, a hand cannon, never fails! Still love my Colt though.


74 posted on 08/18/2012 4:18:06 PM PDT by X-FID
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To: RayChuang88

Actually John Browning was the greatest gun designer ever.

No one else was even close.


75 posted on 08/18/2012 4:19:00 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Joe 6-pack

Hence my comment about *needing* to restrike. I don’t see the need and go with the “Round didn’t work? Discard it and load another, don’t f**k around with trying to get it to work because if you do you will die” school of thought - which is espoused by many combat vets and experienced cops.


76 posted on 08/18/2012 4:19:26 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; verum ago
Since this thread will assuredly devolve into a handgun pissing contest, I think it's appropriate to share verum ago's insightful analysis:

The .38 spl is a wholly inadequate as a service cartridge when using lead round nose bullets and has less oopmh than .357 magnum. .357 magnum is fantastic, but has fairly stiff recoil and of course a revolver only holds 6 rds, so you should go with the lesser recoil and higher capacity of 9mm Luger automatic. 9mm Luger is perfectly acceptable and has a good track record, except if you think it doesn't or it isn't manly or you use 147 gr ball, in which case the .40 Smith and Wesson is a good round combining larger diameter than 9mm Luger and more energy than .45 ACP with less recoil than a hot .45 ACP load. Of course if you're going to step up to .40 S&W from 9mm you might as well go to .45 ACP because it is larger than .40 S&W and has less snappy recoil and is more manly/patriotic; besides which contrary to what I just said the .40 S&W really the worst of .45 ACP and 9mm Luger, as it has higher recoil than 9mm Luger and smaller diameter than .45 ACP. But .45 ACP bullets don't go very fast and are overrated because what really matters is hydrostatic shock, which is where the .357 Sig comes in: less recoil than .40 S&W and .45 ACP and terminal ballistics like .357 Magnum. Of course, .357 Sig is kinda snappy and has intimidating flash and blast and is super-expensive so maybe 9mm Luger is a good choice for gentle recoil, low expense, and lower muzzle blast. But .40 S&W is better than 9mm and... [repeat ad infinitum]

77 posted on 08/18/2012 4:20:31 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Whatever a homosexual union might be or represent, it is not physically marital. - F.Cardinal George)
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To: Joe 6-pack

1. CZ says you can do that but doesn’t recommend it. The latest versions of the CZ75 platform now come with a decocker.

2. If you’re going to do that, you can do what most of the CZ owners who do the same thing say they do on their forums - convert to SAO because they also see the DA part as useless in that case.


78 posted on 08/18/2012 4:23:06 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
The popularity of both is due to emotional nostalgia

I prefer the term "aesthetics" ;o)

79 posted on 08/18/2012 4:23:06 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Jet Jaguar
You guys are all cheering, but that works out to $1875 PER PISTOL!

Whatcha think about that?!?

80 posted on 08/18/2012 4:23:49 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Jet Jaguar
1911
81 posted on 08/18/2012 4:28:29 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: x; mylife

I had a problem with the CZ 97 (.45) slide but replaced the factory recoil spring with a stiffer Wolff spring and now it’s good.
Not a thing wrong with the Colt, I sure didn’t mean to say that. It’s the original article. I just like CZ and Ruger.
Sellier & Bellot (Czech) ammo may have hard primers, maybe from making military ammo for a long time, and I think they may dab them with a spot of lacquer.
I’ve never had a FTF but if I did, just squeeze the trigger again in DA. mylife probably knows more about this than me.


82 posted on 08/18/2012 4:29:01 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: tumblindice

And as a postscript, the retail cost of a CZ is over a thousand dollars cheaper than the GI price of $1800 for the Colt. So yeah, the poor man’s Sig.


83 posted on 08/18/2012 4:31:33 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SailormanCGA72

And a very liberal ROE


84 posted on 08/18/2012 4:32:18 PM PDT by al baby (“If Barack Obama has a Harvard law degree, he didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”)
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To: Jet Jaguar
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Joshua Graham is Pleased!

85 posted on 08/18/2012 4:33:25 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Normalcy results in the creation of life, Sodomy results in AIDS)
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To: Rifleman

My brother has a Class III 1919A1. Aside from fun, the damn thing is accurate!


86 posted on 08/18/2012 4:34:28 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Free in Texas

“DA/SA sucks.”

Yes it do!

My Sig would beg to differ... but that’s what’s so great about our country. You can chose to carry a Colt cocked and locked and I can chose to carry my Sig at the ready.


87 posted on 08/18/2012 4:34:40 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Hugin; Always A Marine; SoftwareEngineer

Actually the war that gave birth to the .45 Auto was the Moro War, which was separate from the Philippine Insurrection, although the two wars are often confused. The Moro War, which lasted from 1902 to 1917 was arguably America’s longest war, yet for some reason it has been largely forgotten. It pitted US servicemen against Muslim tribesmen known as Moros and was fought on the island of Mindanao. The Moros fought with fanaticism, so we needed a firearm with stopping power.


88 posted on 08/18/2012 4:35:31 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Spktyr
"1. CZ says you can do that but doesn’t recommend it."

And up until recently anyways, Colt's Series 80 and 90 pistol manuals stated, "ALWAYS KEEP AND CARRY YOUR PISTOL EMPTY, WITH THE HAMMER FORWARD EXCEPT WHEN YOU INTEND TO SHOOT."

In fact, a quick look online at your Springfield XD manual also says, "Always keep and carry your firearm with an empty chamber until you intend to shoot..."

Do you carry yours with nothing in the chamber?

89 posted on 08/18/2012 4:37:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: VanShuyten
You guys are all cheering, but that works out to $1875 PER PISTOL! Whatcha think about that?!?

Knowing the Uncle, I wouldn't doubt the terms of the contract (parts, spares, etc.) make that figure more reasonable than it appears at face value.

90 posted on 08/18/2012 4:40:06 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: 1L

A 9mm (or .38 special) in the head beats a .45 in the body armor every time.

The “caliber must start with a .4 crowd” make a fallacious argument, because James Butler Hickok used .36 caliber Colt Navy revolvers.

That caliber was most effective in his hands, and his death was a result of his seating choice, not caliber.


91 posted on 08/18/2012 4:41:36 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: 1L

A 9mm (or .38 special) in the head beats a .45 in the body armor every time.

The “caliber must start with a .4 crowd” make a fallacious argument, because James Butler Hickok used .36 caliber Colt Navy revolvers.

That caliber was most effective in his hands, and his death was a result of his seating choice, not caliber.


92 posted on 08/18/2012 4:42:00 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Dick Vomer
My Sig would beg to differ... but that’s what’s so great about our country. You can chose to carry a Colt cocked and locked and I can chose to carry my Sig at the ready.

Nuh Uh! Mine's BIGGER! ;o)

93 posted on 08/18/2012 4:43:06 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: papertyger

Nuh Uh! Mine’s BIGGER! ;o)

mines thicker... ;D


94 posted on 08/18/2012 4:51:13 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

” But .40 S&W is better than 9mm and... [repeat ad infinitum]”

I prefer the 10mm over the .40 S&W (.40 Short & Weak).

The .40 was developed from the 10mm FBI load, which was reduced from full power because some agents could not control the 10mm’s full power recoil.

The 10mm came about due to the analysis of the famous Miami shootout between the FBI and couple armored car robbers. The robbers killed four agents before they succumbed to their wounds, and the agents were mostly using 9mm autos at the time. One of the agents had a .38 snubnose and a shotgun too, I believe.


95 posted on 08/18/2012 4:52:30 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: yarddog

I believe you’re right. IIRC, the standard pistol then in use by US marines did not have enough stopping power to take down drugged up Moro fighters. They eventually switched to John Browning’s new .45 ACP pistol and ... problem more or less solved. One COM shot and they’re on the ground, and it’s much faster to reload a spare magazine than six cartridges into a revolver. The first part is a lesson the USMC has apparently re-learned.


96 posted on 08/18/2012 4:53:32 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: tumblindice

All I know is Sellier & Bellot has always worked for me


97 posted on 08/18/2012 4:58:46 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

I could never understand why the military made the switch to the M9. Then one day I handed my M1911 to my wife so she can try it out. Her hands weren’t strong enough to operate the action. It was then I knew the reason. (Not the only reason, but one of them.)


98 posted on 08/18/2012 5:01:00 PM PDT by NYFreeper
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To: Jet Jaguar

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!


99 posted on 08/18/2012 5:01:00 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Errr, we fought a revolt by elements among those friends from 1899 to 1913. The M1911 (along with John Pershing’s policy of burying dead Muslim Moro fighters in hog carcasses) helped us eventually win. Quick synopsis is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_insurrection


100 posted on 08/18/2012 5:01:42 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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