Skip to comments.U.S. Marine Arrested for Facebook Posts
Posted on 08/19/2012 10:24:36 AM PDT by ponygirl
Feds retaliate against another critic of the U.S. government.
(SALEM / RICHMOND) - A decorated U.S. Marine who served his nation in two wars, Brandon Raub, of Richmond Virginia, was arrested for airing his critical views of the U.S. government on Facebook this weekend. We just reported yesterday that a Human Rights activist in Bahrain is being prosecuted for six Twitter messages. Politically, this country is increasingly resembling Bahrain and other nations that arrest those who speak out critically over federal policy.
His mother, Kathleen Thomas, says it is another case of the word 'terrorist' being applied to arrest and detain a citizen. You can hear the pride she feels for her son when she explains what he has been through, and by all counts Ms. Thomas makes her points loud and clear.
The law enforcement officials rolled up to the man's home around 7:00 last night. "He was there, the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield Police showed up in a storm," she said.
Thomas says her son was questioned about why he was writing certain comments, "He basically said 'I have some disagreements with the government and share this', and they said, 'You have to go with us'".
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I guess Mr. Raub was under the mistaken impression that The Constitution he fought to defend, was still in effect. Silly boy!
Wouldn't exactly call some of that "patriotic," but whatever.
Yeah, until I know more about what he posted there, I’ll withhold judgement.
> The agent asked about whether her son was violent, Thomas
> explained that he was not, but that he loves his country.
> She asked the FBI agent if freedom of speech still exists
> in the United States.
> “Yes we still have freedom of speech”, Grainger
> reportedly said.
All is well, then.
‘Truther’ dude gets taken away in a paddy wagon. Was a straight jacket mentioned?
Regardless of hos postings..it’s a free Country..?
Regardless of his postings..it’s a free Country..?
I don’t think any of that is what got him in trouble.
It was essentially threatening to kill people over it that did.
"I have some disagreements with the Kennedy Administration and I am letting Americans know about them," said former U.S. Army Major General now civilian, conservative activist and anti-communist Edwin Walker. "Put him in the asylum," ordered JFK and RFK.
Gen. Walker "resigned his commission after being publicly and formally admonished by President John F. Kennedy (JFK). [Civilian, conservative activist and anti-communist Edwin Walker] was an attempted assassination target of Lee Harvey Oswald on April 10, 1963 . . . [Walker] was temporarily held in a mental institution on orders from President Kennedy's brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy. RFK demanded that Walker receive a 90-day psychiatric examination. . . [but a] coalition of liberal and right-wing leaders [forced] Attorney General [Robert Kennedy] . . . to back down, and Walker spent only five days in the asylum . . . ."
I might add.. Walker's conservative and anti-communist views caught the wrath of that era's MSM and they published lie after lie about him including that he led violent attacks on blacks at a Mississippi university. Walker sued but the SCOTUS ruled the the wire service (AP I believe) simply made a mistake. I think that when General Walker reached his 80s the Congress granted him the retirement that he forfeited when he resigned his commission to fight against communism in the U.S.
Walker was a W.W.II special forces hero and Korean War vet. (He led the troops at Little Rock, Ark. school integration under orders from President Eisenhower 1959, IIRC.)
My emphasis above.. if this Marine is being treated like JFK and RFK treated Edwin Walker we damn well better see to it that the Marine gets the same protection that Edwin Walker got. Even the ACLU helped Walker back then. Now?
Conservative: Disagree with what he said, but defend his right to say it.
Leftist: Agree with what he said, but arrest him anyway to shut him up. (Making us look bad.)
I wonder if LE somehow linked him to the group.
I looked at the guy’s Facebook page a little bit. He’s a 9/11 truther, but that’s certainly no grounds for arresting him. I didn’t see anything on there that would be the least bit worth arrest and involuntary commitment but I didn’t look back very far, just a few days.
If he is an active soldier and this were a military matter, then why is the FBI, Local Police and Secret Service involved? Shouldn't he have been arrested by Military Police rather than Federal civil authorities and local police?
I have a feeling that sooner or later they will be tracking down everyone on Free Republic and giving all of us the same treatment.
Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!
To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you need to threaten to report me to the Admin if I dont add you to the list...
One of those arrested was from my town in Nebraska, he was wanted here and in Kansas for threatening to kill police officers, and leading them on a high speed chase where he crashed and got away.
The guy doesn’t need a jail cell. He needs a doctor.
I would like to see exactly what it was that the Marine in question posted. If there were threats of violence against specific persons or institutions, that would explain much. People make all kinds of loony truther posts and don't get locked up for it.
9-11 was done by the government... the War on Terror is a lie... Americans are killing innocent people in the ME... the current federal banking system is corrupt and unfeasible to Americans... the George Bush's family rapes little children... I think there is circumstantial evidence to prove all of the above
The statement about 9-11 is interesting. Also, the expression "occupied Palestine" is a hint as well.
The above comments make me nervous about this case. I think I'm gonna wait for further details.
While he definitely has looney tune views, he SHOULD have a right to express those views.
Want the FBI to come to your house and take you away either to jail or a mental hospital? These are purportedly the FB posts of USMC veteran Brandon Raub, arrested at his house on 8-16.
1) I feel like I am standing at a great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle. A battle I could have never imagined existed. 7/24/12
2) We MUST rise up an...d take our country back. 7/30/12
3) I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to. 8/4/12
5) This is the part where I tell the Federal Government to go fuck itself. This is the part where I tell Generals, training our young men to fight Americans, I am coming for you. The Veterans will be with me. 8/9/12
6) Im starting the Revolution. Im done waiting. 8/10/12
7) Sharpen up my axe; Im here to sever heads. 8/13/12
8) The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12
9) The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12
I would guess that the FB posts he made in the past week were reported to LE at some level, thence to FBI and local police. So it might not be a result of 24/7 govt spying, but a worried FB “friend” or relative. Post Aurora, I think more folks are on a hair trigger looking for the next James Holmes nutcase who was sending out red flares unnoticed until he acted.
When you start posting, “I’m sharpening my axe to sever heads” and “I’m going to start this off if I have to do it myself,” or “I’m coming for those Generals myself,” it turns into an area of threatening violence that the FBI can find “actionable,” especially post Aurora, then the Sikh massacre, then the Family Research Center (which would have been a massacre not for the alert guard).
Of the three cases above, Holmes was pure apolitical nutcase (as far as I can tell), The Sikh killer was a raving National SOCIALIST, and the FRC was a raving LGBT LEFTY. (Note to the MSM: Keep trying, sooner or later there will be a Tea Party raving mass-murderer, but so far, not yet.)
And to any of my Constitutional conservative friends, if you start to overtly threaten that YOU are about to do violence, expect to talk to some gentlemen from the FBI. That was what was so “actionable” (to my understanding) in this case.
Raub was saying “me” and “myself” and “I” an awful lot in those posts. Cleary implying HE was about to do something. If you are pissed off about the fedgov, as am I, speak in the future tense about events that might happen. That is clearly okay, as certified by the Small War Journal essay l ast week about the “Evil White Racist Tea Party Militia” taking over South Carolina, leading to the intervention of the US Army to save the USA.
Or do as the leader of the New Black Panther Party does it, and just say things on camera like “Some day you black men are gonna rise up, and skin you some peckerwoods alive.” That all seems to be protected speech. But if you say, “I am a ticking bomb about to explode,” you will be speaking to LE quickly. Unless you are a member of the NBPP, or so it seems.
Read his comments at #25.
The Demobrats scream the same kind of stuff -- and worse -- 24/7 from their jobs in the MSM and from their government offices.
So what's going on? The Great Sedition Trial of 1944 targeted minor players in critics of the government. Powerful ones like Senator Taft were left for later after getting the little people. Fortunately the judges back then stopped the travesty. There ain't many of them nowadays.
Won't be the first time that a Democrat president ordered his DOJ to prosecute critics.
We haven't reached the point where conservatives are charged en masse but there is precedent -- and yes it was a Democrat president. Yes it was W.W.II but those charged were long-time, pre-war FDR critics and critics of the U.S.S.R. The U.S.S.R. was a combat ally against the Nazis thus the sedition charge for criticizing the U.S.S.R. To try to insure conviction and stir up public opinion against the accused, the FDR DOJ included known Nazi sympathizers, totally unrelated to the FDR critics, in the group charged.
The current administration of Marxist-Alinsky radicals (psycho spoiled brats actually) are just looking for the excuse.. it's taken them decades to get this far and they ain't quitting without fighting.
To try to insure conviction the FDR DOJ included known Nazi sympathizers, totally unrelated to the FDR critics, in the group charged -- could the government be trying to tie the accused to ordinary criminals for the same purpose? I do not trust the Demobrat MSM and the current administration employees.
From a Facebook group set up to support Raub:
Update on Brandon~
He goes before a Judge on Monday morning, we have obtained legal counsel from The Rutherford Institute, please know THEY approached us and stated they wanted to help. Huge thank you to them!
We will keep you updated.
Quite a few of my facebook friend’s profiles have a “Privacy Notice” posted on their page. I’ve never posted this because, as Brandon Raub’s detention has clearly demonstrated, anything you post on facebook is in the public domain. Brandons “detention” on 16 August 2012 was based on comments he posted on facebook and is the result of a Virginia mental health warrant, a civil procedure allowing for the “preemptive incarceration” of individuals deemed a threat to public safety, despite the accused not being formally charged with a crime.
I see myself "standing athwart the tide of history yelling, 'Stop!'" William F. Buckley 1940s/50s.
Arrest Buckley!! Crucify him!!
It's about time! It should have happened in 1970 when I wanted it. (Does the Obama/Holder Dept of Just Us have magnifying glasses. I wonder)
Had he identified himself as a “Black Panther” he would have be ok!
"He's not right... in the head!"
I read all of his comments on FB.
I think the one about coming for the generals could have been what triggered the action. However, he has only been posting on FB for less than two months. He could have also sent emails to a friend that gave cause for concern, and that friend forwarded them. Internet conspiracy posters generally use a lot of channels to get their views out.
If he is being held in a pych ward for his FB comments alone, that is pretty weak beer for such. Although I loathe truthers, they have a Constitutional right to say such things and make idiots of themselves on websites that allow such. Dittoes for the insane claims that the Bush family rapes small children, although that could rise to libel - but once again, a different issue. Commenting about sharpening an axe? If we mention the quote about how the tree of liberty is watered, is that actionable?
It is good that Rutherford is involved. Hopefully we’ll get some hard facts out of this - and if there is adequate cause for him being held, Rutherford will work to make sure a bad precent is not set here that would allow authorities to incarcerate for political views absent a concrete, actionable threat.
I’ve been around long enough to wait for more facts to come out, while also noting who is getting drawn to the story while we wait for such.
Your analysis seems pretty spot on.
Look, folks, ten years ago some guy could have said this to his friend on the phone, probably no problem. He might have said it during an interview on some podunk low-wattage AM radio interview, and once again, no biggie.
But these days are different,what with FB out there, and the twits twitting away (yeah, try to get the whole, complete story on twitter sometime when you are limited to 140 characters...), cell/smart phone technologies, etc.
You expressly and conspicuously say something in public with violent intentions and YEAH yur gonna get asked about it!!!
Heck, they say stuff like this just about every other night on Coast to Coast. But the people they talk to don’t come across like ticking time-bomb lone wolf dudes who are getting ready to take out a whole city block or something!
IMHO, he should have been questioned. He may actually be right about some things, but he needed to be questioned. questions like “How much C4 you got in your basement?”
He’s probably just a blowhard with a bit of PTSD but they won’t know that unless they sit him down and talk to him.
The disturbed behavior of Seung Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman, had come to the attention of the campus police in December 2005, and they took him to a mental health facility for a CSB screening. A magistrate issued a temporary detention order based on the CSB clinicians judgment that Cho presented a danger to himself or others. The next morning, after an independent examiner concluded that Cho did not meet the commitment criteria, the judge ordered him to undergo outpatient treatment based on a finding that he presented an imminent danger to himself. As everyone subsequently learned, Cho never complied with this order, and his noncompliance went unnoticed.
This missed opportunity for intervention was attributable in part to deficiencies in the commitment process. First, a more thorough evaluation by the independent examiner might have uncovered evidence about Chos deteriorating and highly disturbed condition. Second, and more important, implementation of the special justices outpatient treatment order might have provided an occasion for faculty, campus police, and counseling center staff at Virginia Tech to connect the dots and undertake an appropriate intervention.
The fact that an aborted judicial intervention in December 2005 might have prevented the tragedy in April 2007 predictably galvanized public support for mental health law reform. Working with the commission chair, a panel appointed by Gov. Tim Kaine to investigate the massacre and its aftermath identified several key elements of reform in its August 2007 report and passed the baton to the commission to spell out the details. Because immediate action was politically imperative, the commission accelerated its timetable and released a preliminary report in December 2007.12 Although the report summarized the commissions emerging blueprint for comprehensive reform, it focused its recommendations for the upcoming legislative session entirely on commitment law reform. These recommendations had emerged over a year-long period of consensus building among the commissions constituent stakeholders. Companion bipartisan bills based on the commissions proposals were supported by Governor Kaine and the leadership of both houses (controlled by different parties), and they emerged from the legislative process essentially intact.
He kind of lost me at the “OCCUPY MARINES - FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY - NOT THE 1%” Bumper sticker.
That’s front and center on the hyperlink.
My daughter has this little psychopath bastard of an ex-boyfriend who has harassed her for the last 2+ years. Keeps getting her phone number. She has changed it nine times in two years. He is in Texas, we think. She is in Oregon. But his last text messages included things like “I am going to come kill you”. “I’m going to go Idaho and cut your (new)boyfriends throat.” This is in (writing) texts. I contacted the FBI because she is afraid. They said there was nothing they could do.
“pro-Palestinian to the bone”
It’s kinda amazing. There are jihadists who are 9/11 Truthers saying it was done to help Israel and there are other Israel-haters who said it was done by the Mossad.
Many of them seem to find some way to blame Israel for 9/11.
Thanks for the ping. What you say makes sense. Could you post a link to your recent essay?
That’s not terrorism.
That’s plain old vanilla A-hole-ism!
There is such a thing as a friend of a friend doing a favor and giving him a free thumping or two - doesn’t have to be life threatening - just painful!
On a side note, why do women go on and on about wanting “sensitive” men, and then end up getting drawn to jerks like this?
Makes zero sense.
The Black Panthers can say, “We need to kill white babies by bombing nurseries!”, and the police do nothing about that?
The Black Panthers can say, “Kill these racist honkeys, these crackers, these pigs, these pink people, it has been long overdue!”, and the police do nothing about that?
Apparently the Marine couldn't just be interviewed and call it a night. He had to punch somebody.
Send treats to the troops...
Great because you did it.
(An entirely free service)
There's no comparison between Walker and this Marine. Edwin Walker told the truth and was persecuted. This Marine told lies and will be prosecuted (he apparently assaulted a LEO).
I'll wait for the trial to make my final judgment.
Send treats to the troops...
Great because you did it.
(An entirely free service)
Hmmm...To me it sounds more like the stuff we've heard from the demoncrat marxists for the past 12 years. Congress is full of truthers and we've had demoncrat presidential and vice-presidential candidates say that we were slaughtering women & children in the ME. In fact, moslems like obamski are always saying that Jews kill children for the blood for religious purposes.
Let's get the Gestapo up to the Hill and bust some of them.
OTOH, the federal banking system IS corrupt and needs to be dumped.
There was no talk radio as we know it today, no Internet of course.. all we had were limited circulation publications so pretty much what the networks said was what most Americans thought they knew. No way to counter the MSM B.S.
Despite that the overwhelming majority of us were conservative members of a silenced generation.
She feels terrorized.
And I did make another phone call.
That little f*** knows better than to get on my bad side.
NEVER, EVER threaten him. Document EVERYTHING he does that she finds terrorizing.
And if he should happen to be in a biker bar and lose an incisor or three, make sure the message gets to him that he needs to learn to be a gentleman and treat your daughter with respect if not totally back off...
It might cost you some PI (private investigator) time and effort.