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20 years after Ruby Ridge, there's forgiveness
AP ^ | 08/19/2012 | By NICHOLAS K. GERANIOS

Posted on 08/19/2012 3:44:43 PM PDT by rabidralph

KALISPELL, Mont. (AP) — When Sara Weaver saw her father Randy struck in the shoulder by a government sniper's bullet in the Idaho wilderness in August 1992, she began to sprint back to the family's cabin on a mountaintop called Ruby Ridge.

As the 16-year-old closed in, her mother, Vicki, opened the cabin door and stood behind it, holding Sara Weaver's 10-month-old sister in her arms. Just then, a sniper's bullet struck her mother in the head, killing her.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: anniversary; atf; christians; fbi; feds; forgiveness; georgehwbush; horiuchi; idaho; leo; lonhoriuchi; randyweaver; rubyridge; weavers
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To: rabidralph
UN-believable quote in the middle of this article:

"Ruby Ridge was the opening shot of a new era of anti-government hatred not seen since the Civil War," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which keeps tabs on hate groups.

Did the reporter not see the irony in this statement?

Especially now, in view of the hate-crime committed against the Family Research Council after the FRC was labeled a "hate group" by that very same "Southern Poverty Law Center"?

21 posted on 08/19/2012 4:23:08 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: editor-surveyor

There was a time, not long ago, I would have thought your post to be raving lunacy.

No longer.


22 posted on 08/19/2012 4:23:38 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: rabidralph

When she gets to put a bullet into Lon Horiuchi’s head, then there will have been justice.


23 posted on 08/19/2012 4:24:33 PM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: Psalm 144

She’s a better person than I. Lon Horiuchi should have been tried for the murder of her mother and whoever gave him license to fire should be tried for being an accessory.


24 posted on 08/19/2012 4:25:25 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: Cicero
"Ruby Ridge was the opening shot of a new era of anti-government hatred not seen since the Civil War," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which keeps tabs on hate groups.

That statement needs correcting:

Ruby Ridge was the opening shot of a new era of anti-CITIZEN hatred not seen since the Civil War Reconstruction in the southern states.

That's better - much more truthful.


25 posted on 08/19/2012 4:25:49 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Cicero

“anti-government hatred not seen since the Civil War,”

Most people in the South LIKED President Davis. What was that SPLC guy talking about?;)


26 posted on 08/19/2012 4:26:06 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Lazamataz

20 years Laz. We’re getting old.

I lived in Spokane, WA during this time. The kids today, they simply have no idea.

I first started reading William Johnstone around this time too. He was right on the money, just about 2+ decades off on his timeline. (shakes head)


27 posted on 08/19/2012 4:26:53 PM PDT by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: unixfox

“And as far as Janet Reno is concerned, may she burn in hell.”

For the blood of the murders at Reno Ridge.


28 posted on 08/19/2012 4:29:12 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Iron Munro
The murderers of Ruby Ridge and Waco do not deserve forgiveness.

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We must never forget.

29 posted on 08/19/2012 4:29:36 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Iron Munro

“Ruby Ridge was the opening shot of a new era of anti-CITIZEN hatred not seen since the Civil War Reconstruction in the southern states.

That’s better - much more truthful”

Yes it is.


30 posted on 08/19/2012 4:30:00 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Jacquerie

He was also at Waco, IIRC.


31 posted on 08/19/2012 4:30:36 PM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: Lazamataz

Where does the time go?


32 posted on 08/19/2012 4:32:17 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: unixfox
And as far as Janet Reno is concerned, may she burn in hell.

Agreed. And one Eric Holder. Reno "collapsed" into his arms when she made the decision about Waco.

I have a long memory.

33 posted on 08/19/2012 4:34:00 PM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: Psalm 144

I only forgive after an apology. I remember this well, and at the time I remember thinking that her visage must have filled his scope entirely. I have never doubted that he knew exactly what he was doing when he shot an unarmed woman.


34 posted on 08/19/2012 4:35:34 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: Cicero
I notice that the article makes no mention of Bill Clinton's role in these government-sponsored murders...

Why should they? Bill Clinton was merely a candidate in August '92.

35 posted on 08/19/2012 4:35:44 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: rabidralph

I read somewhere recently that Bo Greitz said that there was a Fed helicopter loaded with some kind of flammable liquid just waiting to dump it on the Weaver house to incinerate them but they could not get the witnesses away.

I certainly believe that. Burn it. Leaves no evidence. There are lots of examples of this when the Feds are engaged in a seige against citizens.

There is no statute of limitations for murder. There should be no forgiveness either.


36 posted on 08/19/2012 4:36:17 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: panaxanax

Jesus says we must forgive others, as our heavenly Father has forgiven us. That’s why I said it’s difficult. We don’t have to be friends with those who hate like that, but Christians are commanded to go about things a different way and forgiveness is a part of it. Don’t get me wrong, I would defend myself from anyone’s attack but at some point I have to work toward forgiveness and pray for their salvation. Tuff stuff.


37 posted on 08/19/2012 4:39:19 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: 43north

“I certainly believe that. Burn it. Leaves no evidence. There are lots of examples of this when the Feds are engaged in a seige against citizens.”

Precisely as they did at Waco.


38 posted on 08/19/2012 4:45:54 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: eclecticEel

Well, there is that. There are some things we have no connection with and so it would be frivolous to get into a “legal” ritual of forgiving.


39 posted on 08/19/2012 4:48:43 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

A while back, she appeared on a cable TV show hosted by William Shatner, and he interviewed her. I was already quite familiar with what happened, including the congressional cover-up and payment to Randy Weaver for “wrongful death.” My first thought when I saw her was that she was very cute.

She narrated the most horrifying story, and her grace and composure had me crying halfway through the episode.

I’m not a Christian, but to me she exemplified my understanding of what it means to be a good Christian.

Mark


40 posted on 08/19/2012 4:49:03 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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