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They've pulled the 'RAPE' card; now Akin should stick to his guns (vanity)
the leftist attack media | 8/20/2012 | me

Posted on 08/20/2012 8:19:56 AM PDT by shhrubbery!

The mainstream media have gleefully pulled the "RAPE" card. We conservatives should recognize this for what this is:
There is no real issue, no real "outrage" over what Akin said. In fact, what Akin said is generally true, albeit inartfully said.

No, what is really going on here is the Left's campaign of distraction. Dangle a shiny object, blanket the airwaves and other media with non-stop "discussion" of this "controversy," and distract voters from real issues.

Here is what Akin should do:

1. Call a news conference. Have a pro-life ob/gyn/physiologist stand up and answer questions on this topic. I.e., tell the world the truth that pregnancy as a result of traumatic rape IS, in fact, RARE.

2. Bring Norma McCorvey to this news conference too. Norma, as many of us know, is the original "Roe" of Roe v. Wade. She will tell the story of how she was induced to claim she was gang-raped. This was a lie of the Left, and perjury to the Court. But it worked; and all our states' abortion laws were struck down, partly on the strength of the lie that pregancies resulting from rapes were common. McCorvey will tell the truth about the use of "rape" as a red herring by the Left.

3. Akin must stick to his guns. Stand up, and do it with conviction. Voters admire a candidate who has the courage of his convictions.

And here is what we conservatives should NOT do:

We should NOT join the msm pile on. We should NOT ridicule and condemn Akin like the rabid Left and their henchmen in the msm are doing right now.

You know, we have just seen Paul Ryan show the courage of his convictions in taking on another hot button issue ... Medicare.

How about we take a lesson from Ryan and NOT run away like scared little children every time the Alinsky-ites pull a shiny object out of their bag of sleazy tricks.


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To: heartwood; vet7279
heartwood, I would question whether vet7279's numbers are "actual." I don't think even he claimed they were "actual." Looked more like a guess to me.

Anyway, in response to your request for a study, here is the testimony of a medical doctor, an ob/gyn:

Dr. John C. Wilkie, ob/gyn, on the rarity of pregnancy after traumatic rape

Back in the '80s when I used to argue this topic, I had list of doctors who had spoken out on this issue. That was the pre-internet age, and I had to search high and low for written sources. I no longer have my list but am going to try to resurrect it.

But I must point out that any scholars who attempt a study on this topic must expect to have their careers destroyed by the Left.

Witness the firestorm of attacks on Mark Regnerus after publication of his excellent study on child-rearing by homosexual parents -- a study that brought into question the conventional MSM/Left wisdom that children raised by "gay" parents always turned out fine and dandy.

51 posted on 08/20/2012 9:43:12 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: PhxTM06

You said he claimed it “does not result in pregnancy,” but what he actually said was that it was very rare.


52 posted on 08/20/2012 9:43:22 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: MEGoody

That is what he wants. There isn’t really much you can do about the media accurately stating your own position.

At least, that would have given us an argument over truth and fact. What he did was make pro-life people look like idiots. Also, suggesting once again that pro-lifers really want to “punish” women for having sex. That is what his statement did — saying that if the woman didn’t choose to have sex, her body would keep her from getting pregnant.

Worse, he suggested that statutory rape was a case where the girl wants to have sex, as if that makes it OK to punish her with a pregnancy.

Pro-lifers win the moral argument when we stick to the truth — abortion kills human beings. We lose when we make it about what the woman did, and what she deserves because of it.


53 posted on 08/20/2012 9:45:22 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: shhrubbery!
1. Call a news conference. Have a pro-life ob/gyn/physiologist stand up and answer questions on this topic. I.e., tell the world the truth that pregnancy as a result of traumatic rape IS, in fact, RARE.

If you're one of the thousand or ten thousand or thirty thousand wome - take your pick - who became pregnant as a result of rape then it isn't rare to you. Akins' dismissal of what they are going through has drowned out whatever valid point he was trying to make on not compounding rape with taking another life. He screwed up, big time.

2. Bring Norma McCorvey to this news conference too. Norma, as many of us know, is the original "Roe" of Roe v. Wade. She will tell the story of how she was induced to claim she was gang-raped. This was a lie of the Left, and perjury to the Court. But it worked; and all our states' abortion laws were struck down, partly on the strength of the lie that pregancies resulting from rapes were common. McCorvey will tell the truth about the use of "rape" as a red herring by the Left.

So then you're going to have Akin imply that all women who claim that they became pregnant through rape are lying? Having shot himself in the foot you want him to take careful aim and then blow the sucker clean off.

3. Akin must stick to his guns. Stand up, and do it with conviction. Voters admire a candidate who has the courage of his convictions.

I'd like to think that voters have little tolerance for idiots but history would prove me wrong. Still, there is a limit to the level of idiocy they will vote for and Akins is dancing right on the edge with this comment and his other ones.

54 posted on 08/20/2012 9:47:48 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Kleon

Great, do you think the media is going to take time to report his actual intentions or to flash that quote all over the place? Do you think McCaskill will? She’s the one who spent a million dollars backing this guy in the primary, obviously she saw a fool ripe for the taking.

It was a stupid thing to do, as I said before, male politicians should simply stop discussing the female body because unfailingly they manage to sound like total idiots most of the time when doing it.


55 posted on 08/20/2012 9:49:33 AM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: PhxTM06

Congressmen Akin has stated that doctors have told him that women’s bodies shut down their reproductive systems at the moment the body determines that it is being legitimacy raped and being that the congressman would not lie, I expect him to offer these doctors in a press conference to present their facts and legitimize what Akin said.


56 posted on 08/20/2012 9:50:16 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: shhrubbery!

Sorry, I can stand for common sense pro-life conservatism. I cannot stand behind, or will I attempt to defend idiotic comments made by an idiot.

How exactly am I supposed to defend his statement? Please name the magical female mechanism that can discern a “legitimate” rape and thus block the sperm from reaching the egg inside her body?


57 posted on 08/20/2012 9:54:25 AM PDT by gore_sux (Al Franken - Preferred by Minnesota Educated Somali Pirates and Suicide Bombers Everywhere)
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To: shhrubbery!

So you think a panel of officials should make people medical decisions...?


58 posted on 08/20/2012 9:54:51 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: Uncle Slayton
Expect Akin to produce a few medical doctors that will support Akin’s findings that the female reproductive system shuts down during what the body determines is a legitimate rape.

Where is he going to round up a bunch of cranks and quacks on such short notice?

59 posted on 08/20/2012 9:55:11 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: MEGoody

It’s SOP for a doctor who can’t actually do anything to offer meaningless platitudes to make the patient happy.


60 posted on 08/20/2012 9:55:23 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller

So you think women should be allowed to murder their un-born children on demand...?


61 posted on 08/20/2012 9:56:44 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Delhi Rebels
So then you're going to have Akin imply that all women who claim that they became pregnant through rape are lying?

No. Norma McCorvey would be the person to bring perspective to this issue. She admitted the rape story was a lie that she was induced to tell by Sarah Weddington and the other radical Leftists who used McCorvey to radically change American law. (Sound familiar?)

And of course McCorvey would not be "implying" that all women who claimed pregnancy as a result of rape were lying.

But it may take a tiny dose of logic to understand that "some claims are lies" ≠ "all claims are lies."

62 posted on 08/20/2012 9:57:22 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller

“Where is he going to round up a bunch of cranks and quacks on such short notice?”

The Congressman has already said that there are doctors that have told him the the female reproductive system shuts itself down during a legitimate rape.

All he needs to do is to call up those doctors and get them to a press conference in the next couple of days or just wait until next week and have them speak at the GOP Convention.


63 posted on 08/20/2012 9:59:31 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller
Where is he going to round up a bunch of cranks and quacks on such short notice?

Is Dr. John C. Wilkie, MD, a crank and a quack?

Dr. John Wilkie on the rarity of pregnancy after traumatic rape

64 posted on 08/20/2012 10:00:57 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: PhxTM06; Uncle Slayton; Carl LaFong; Kleon; All

None of what you said has any basis in science. Women can get aroused during a rape, women can also orgasm during rape.
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i think Akin should be replaced, for the crime of being inarticulate.
but, PhxTM06, is much worse.
Kleon’s comment absolutely has a basis in science.
so why, is PhxTM06, ridiculing even recognized science fact?
...LOOK at his posting history!
he seems to have only ONE strong interest, out of ALL the fascinating discussions here at FR.
and he quotes liberal sources, and questionable studies.
(seriously, a 5% chance of pregnancy in a rape?
MANY couples in a loving relationship, wish for so high a chance.
and, the fact is, that the rape statistics are vastly inflated, even according to an FBI report.
(yet, instead of correcting for this, PhxTM06 quotes a study that arbitrarily DOUBLES the number of rapes)
...the idea a woman who is pregnant, might claim rape,
is impossible?
and the stress of a forcible rape, instead of a falsely reported rape, could certainly result in a miscarriage.
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...Akin clearly is not up to the job, of communicating, in a liberal controlled media. He SHOULD step down.
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rape is a real problem. but so is false accusations.
And I have no objection, to a woman having an abortion,
after being raped.
but, the number of false rape accusations, is a LOT higher, than the pregnancy rate, from actual forcible rapes.
...and we need to be able to honestly discuss such issues, without PhxTM06 ridiculing people here who disagree with him.
(and, i would be happy to listen to HIM bring out a doctor who will state, for the record, that a woman can get aroused and have an orgasm, in a forcable rape!)


65 posted on 08/20/2012 10:02:53 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: shhrubbery!

Actually you made me realize why he would say “legitimate rape”. Still a stupid thing to say, but if you enact exceptions that allow abortion, many people will lie and claim the exception just to get an abortion. So yeah, probably a lot of women would just report a rape so they qualify. Thereby creating a situation where suddenly it appears a lot of women get pregnant after a rape.

No one wants to discuss reality though because we perpetuate the myth of the average woman being like a young Mary Tyler Moore in the Dick Van Dyke show. We have some damn disreputable people in this society, of all genders, etc.


66 posted on 08/20/2012 10:07:39 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; MEGoody

So... what you are saying (see how this works?) is that due to what YOU THINK he meant, that Akin committed thought crimes.


67 posted on 08/20/2012 10:10:12 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (RED NECK KUNG FU by Corn Fuschas)
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To: shhrubbery!
But it may take a tiny dose of logic to understand that "some claims are lies" ≠ "all claims are lies."

I promise I'll try and find the logic in your proposal.

68 posted on 08/20/2012 10:12:28 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Tau Food; shhrubbery!
The mainstream media have gleefully pulled the "RAPE" card. We conservatives should recognize this for what this is: There is no real issue, no real "outrage" over what Akin said. In fact, what Akin said is generally true, albeit inartfully said.
This is amazing! Folks are demanding that an adamantly pro-life nominee should withdraw.
Thank you both for your commentary and thread. The left doesn't have to publicly dismiss Akin, because the right is doing all the work for them. It's a tragedy, but I believe Akin's comment was no "coincidence." All who believe in Christ, know that rarely is so. Because now Romney jumped on the bandwagon re-outing NOT ONLY himself but evidently converting Ryan (who was 100% pro-life) as a baby-killer too (in cases of rape). Monstrous!!!! Pray the Republican Convention rocks out a true pro-life conservative, cancelling the Mitt pick. And pray Paul runs for the hills. He doesn't belong with Romney.
69 posted on 08/20/2012 10:13:10 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller
So you think a panel of officials should make people medical decisions...?

Well let me ask you first:
Should states have a right to make their own laws on abortion?

If you answer "yes" to that question (as I believe most Constitutionalist conservatives would), you must then answer how the states' laws are to be implemented.

If Missouri's law, pre-Roe, provided that a medical panel would evaluate whether a woman truly had a severe medical condition that warranted an abortion to save her life, then that was Missouri's law. And Missouri's voters were free to vote for legislators to change that law, if they so wished.

But Roe v. Wade swept away Missouri's law. The reality today, post-Roe, is that under Court-diktat, any woman can get kill her unborn child for any reason, at any time in a pregnancy.

Do you think that is a better situation than what we had in Missouri, pre-Roe?

70 posted on 08/20/2012 10:13:57 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: MEGoody
If I hadn't seen your posts on FR for tha last 10 years or so, I'd a thought you were over from D.U. or KOS.

According to the Wash. Post, "Aiken, who won his primary two weeks ago with the help of ad spending from national Democrats who thought he would be the weakest GOP nominee, nonetheless starts the race as the favorite."

This guy has no loyalty to or from the Missouri Republican party and no matter how much he tries to apologise and talk his way out of it, he won't be able to do it. This is a fatal remark. This from Huckabee - "His old friend John-Paul Jones, I've not yest begun to fight"

The good people of Missouri don't want a knothead such as Aiken.

Aiken has no chance. He should make his time.

71 posted on 08/20/2012 10:16:44 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Williams
Actually you made me realize why he would say “legitimate rape”.

Yes. And dumb as "legitimate rape" sounds, it is possible he meant "rape as defined by the law."

I think he probably meant "real" rape, meaning violent, forcible rape ... or to quote that other great pro-life conservative, Whoopi Goldberg, "rape rape." /s

72 posted on 08/20/2012 10:22:27 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: shhrubbery!
I read the article you linked, which is a rather old article (we may know more now, or maybe we don't). You will find that while, in absolute terms, pregnancy by rape is rare, the article shows that it is mostly the percentage as you would expect from ANY form of sex.

The article does not suggest that forcible rape is a contraceptive. It just points out that women don't get pregnant that easily or often, and that stress itself is a factor. As he says in the article, the average couple who is TRYING to get pregnant takes 10 months.

The only part of his article that suggests the forced rape would limit pregnancy is this section:

Even if she conceives, the miscarriage rate is higher than in a more normal pregnancy. If she loses 20% of 600, there are 450 left. Finally, we must factor in one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that is psychic trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get pregnant and stay pregnant, a woman’s body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain which is easily influenced by emotions. There’s no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. So what further percentage reduction in pregnancy will this cause? No one really knows, but this factor certainly cuts the last figure by at least 50%, and probably more, leaving a final figure of 225 women pregnant each year, a number that closely matches the 200 found in clinical studies.
Oddly, his argument is in part that the body under stress will self-abort the child. And of course, women who are raped have long doubled up on birth control pills, which in high doses could cause a self-abortion; today we also have the morning-after pill which does the same. Self-abortion would lower the chance for a doctor-performed abortion, but is hardly a useful argument when we are saying abortion is murder.

And in any case, his suggestion is a 50% reduction for stress, which hardly makes it much more rare. He also is in "rhetorical" mode at this point, not citing peer-reviewed studies of scientific information, just giving his own opinion. If the woman ovulated before the rape (which is the most likely case for getting pregnant, you don't get pregnant nearly so easily if you have sex before ovulation), the trauma couldn't stop that ovulation.

Lastly, we consider drugged (pills or alcohol) sex as forcible rape as well, but it wouldn't have the trauma of a physical assault. The argument, in short, is a losing argument on many levels, including scientific.

The worst part is that "rare" is meaningless. If it was OK to abort a child from a forcible rape, it should be legal, whether there are a million babies, or only 1 baby. In fact, arguing that it is very rare would be the kind of thing you'd say if you wanted to ALLOW abortion for rape.

The CORRECT argument is that we don't kill innocent human beings for the crimes of others, and that with proper care and counseling, carrying a baby to term is a better choice for all than commiting a second crime because of the first crime.

73 posted on 08/20/2012 10:24:21 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The worst part is that "rare" is meaningless. If it was OK to abort a child from a forcible rape, it should be legal, whether there are a million babies, or only 1 baby. In fact, arguing that it is very rare would be the kind of thing you'd say if you wanted to ALLOW abortion for rape.

The CORRECT argument is that we don't kill innocent human beings for the crimes of others, and that with proper care and counseling, carrying a baby to term is a better choice for all than commiting a second crime because of the first crime.

Thank you for your very thoughtful, careful, and perceptive post. You are exactly right.

74 posted on 08/20/2012 10:28:39 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: TexasCajun

not much pooch to have had so many spawn

good genes, diet and workout ethic


75 posted on 08/20/2012 10:34:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: UCANSEE2

It’s not what I think he meant. It is how his statement is reasonably interpreted.

And his attempt to clarify just made things worse.

As a politician, we will hold him responsible for what he believes, but also how he communicates what he believes. He has to get votes, and what he said makes it very hard to get the votes needed.

BTW, it is not unreasonable to look at what someone says, and try to figure out WHY they said it.

He decided it was important to make an argument about “legitimate rape”. Why? What difference does it make how rare pregnancy is from a rape? If abortion is murder, it should be banned, whether one woman or a million are impacted by the ban. If abortion is not murder, it should be allowed, whether it is for one woman or a million.


76 posted on 08/20/2012 10:35:07 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: muleskinner
According to the Wash. Post, "Aiken, who won his primary two weeks ago with the help of ad spending from national Democrats who thought he would be the weakest GOP nominee, nonetheless starts the race as the favorite."

Yes, I saw the ads to which they are refering. They were very anti-Akin, so yes, it may have helped Akin get elected. The ads talked about the federal agencies he wanted to get rid of, that Akin was pro-life even in cases of rape and incest and that he wanted to cut taxes. All those positions are positives from the perspective of a conservative, so Missouri voted for him.

This guy has no loyalty to or from the Missouri Republican party.

Given that the party heads are typically what one would call "establishment Republicans" isn't that a good thing? Isn't the point to get rid of RINOS?

The good people of Missouri don't want a knothead such as Aiken.

So, you'd have preferred to select who? Steelman? Akin is more conservative than she.

77 posted on 08/20/2012 10:36:03 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
saying that if the woman didn’t choose to have sex, her body would keep her from getting pregnant.

Akin did NOT say it would never happen. But of course you know that.

Doctors do say the body tends to keep conception from occurring in times of great stress. Surely you've heard of women who are all stressed about trying to have a baby being told "relax and it will happen" by their doctors? Are you saying all those doctors are just being lazy or dismissive of women?

that makes it OK to punish her with a pregnancy

You think the left is going to change the "punish her with a baby' mantra no matter how the truth is presented? Of course they won't.

We lose when we make it about what the woman did, and what she deserves because of it.

Akin said nothing about what a woman "deserves" because of any particular behavior. The left is wanting you to read that into it because they hate his conservative values. And it seems you've fallen for it.

78 posted on 08/20/2012 10:43:56 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller
It’s SOP for a doctor who can’t actually do anything to offer meaningless platitudes to make the patient happy.

In other words, to lie. Sorry, I've seen that advice actually work too frequently to believe that.

79 posted on 08/20/2012 10:46:35 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: beandog
Unfortunately, the “we must retreat” crowd has taken over FR.

One of the ring leaders has a May 2012 sign up date....

pistolpackinpapa

80 posted on 08/20/2012 10:49:03 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: Elendur

This is why it sucks being a conservative in the medical field, you have to defend idiocy like what you just posted.

Your idea of “liberal sources” came from the Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology detailing a highly conclusive study over a period of years.

Also, women becoming aroused and even having orgams during forceable rape is a scientific fact, maybe you should crack a book sometime rather than talking out of your posterior. This is one of the main focuses of post-rape therapy, guilt that emerges by victims who were forced into the act and are confused by their own bodies responses. If you deny that this exists, there is no point in further discussing anything with you.

“A woman’s physiological response to sexual contact is involuntary. In some cases, women can become physically aroused, produce natural lubrication, and even experience orgasms against their will during rape.[7]. One proposed explanation for this genital arousal in some women is that it acts as a preparatory mechanism which served in the past to protect women from genital injury during unwanted sex.”


81 posted on 08/20/2012 11:05:31 AM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: shhrubbery!

There is more at stake here than any individual politician. It is too bad that the media doesn’t hold Dems to the same standards, but that’s the way it goes. If this guy has put a certain GOP Senate pick-up in jeopardy he should get out.


82 posted on 08/20/2012 11:13:01 AM PDT by AC86UT89 (America will endure until its government discovers that it can bribe the public with its own money.)
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To: mlizzy

Thank you back.

I really hate to see this kind of thing happen. I believe that Akin was merely explaining in his own imperfect way that he does not believe in exceptions when it comes to our duty to protect life. If I lived in Missouri, he’d certainly get my vote.


83 posted on 08/20/2012 11:13:21 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tau Food
If I lived in Missouri, he’d certainly get my vote.
Mine too!
84 posted on 08/20/2012 11:15:47 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: AC86UT89
If this guy has put a certain GOP Senate pick-up in jeopardy he should get out.

If Akin handles this the right way, he will not have put the GOP Senate pick-up in jeopardy. That is the point of my post.

Akin could turn this around with a little political ju-jitsu. Remember how gleeful the Left was, for the first couple of days after Ryan was picked for VP? They thought they had the election in the bag because of their ready-made demogogery on Medicare.

Then Ryan came out swinging. Now the Dems are on the defensive on that issue.

Akin could do the same. Yes, it would take some brains and some courage to be able to do it. Ryan has The Right Stuff, while I don't know if Akin has what it takes. But I hope at least some GOP advisors read FR and figure out a strategy, possibly employing powerful surrogates like Norma McCorvey and pro-life doctors, if Akin can't be articulate enough.

To paraphrase the great Margaret Thatcher:
THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO GO WOBBLY.

85 posted on 08/20/2012 11:23:01 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: MEGoody

Hmmm... whose judgment to trust... Sarah Palin... some guy on the internet... Sarah... someguy... help me out here....


86 posted on 08/20/2012 11:23:13 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: Uncle Slayton
being that the congressman would not lie

You believe that congresscritters don't lie??

Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

87 posted on 08/20/2012 11:32:05 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: Uncle Slayton
The stampede to get clear of the fallout gathers momentum:
Republican candidates, including Mitt Romney, are rapidly distancing themselves from controversial comments made by a Missouri Senate candidate who said the victims of "legitimate rape" were unlikely to become pregnant.

Two Republican senators running in tightly contested elections called on Akin today resign his candidacy

"As a husband and father of two young women, I found Todd Akin's comments about women and rape outrageous, inappropriate and wrong. There is no place in our public discourse for this type of offensive thinking. Not only should he apologize, but I believe Rep. Akin's statement was so far out of bounds that he should resign the nomination for U.S. Senate in Missouri," Sen. Scott Brown said in a statement.

Sen. Rob Johnson, R- Wis., all called on Akin to step down.

"Todd Akin's statements are reprehensible and inexcusable," Johnson tweeted from his campaign's Twitter account. "He should step aside today for the good of the nation."


88 posted on 08/20/2012 11:32:11 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: Delhi Rebels
But it may take a tiny dose of logic to understand that "some claims are lies" ≠ "all claims are lies."
I promise I'll try and find the logic in your proposal.

Heh. Well I'm glad you took that with a sense of humor.

I was aiming it more at the wildly illogical Left than at you.

Because, of course, the Alinsky-ites would make precisely that argument demogogic appeal.

89 posted on 08/20/2012 11:35:04 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: shhrubbery!
But I hope at least some GOP advisors read FR and figure out a strategy, possibly employing powerful surrogates like Norma McCorvey and pro-life doctors, if Akin can't be articulate enough.
Good idea. I know even Huckabee and Santorum had difficulty getting out their pro-life words regarding rape without a few ums and stalls, because there is so much pressure, an amazing amount of pressure, regarding this topic, as it is so revolting in nature, and the politicians know if they mess it up, the whole da*n world's gonna know and come down on them. Even on Free Republic, if your t's ain't crossed and your i's dotted, you can sometimes get a bunch of junk for that, and then the MAIN subject matter just flies right out the window. It's a shame. The lives of babies--and the destruction of their mothers--is at stake in America every day.
90 posted on 08/20/2012 11:39:53 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller
"As a husband and father of two young women, I found Todd Akin's comments about women and rape outrageous, inappropriate and wrong. There is no place in our public discourse for this type of offensive thinking. Not only should he apologize, but I believe Rep. Akin's statement was so far out of bounds that he should resign the nomination for U.S. Senate in Missouri," Sen. Scott Brown said in a statement.

ThoughtCrime!

Dear Senator Brown: It is your statement that is is "outrageous, inappropriate, and wrong." If you thought you had to distance yourself, weak RINO that you are, you went waaaaaaaaaay overboard.

91 posted on 08/20/2012 11:41:55 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller
Scott Brown On The Issues: http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Scott_Brown.htm

Looks like Scott Brown is still pro-choice. He's only making points with the devil.
92 posted on 08/20/2012 11:50:19 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: mlizzy
Good idea. I know even Huckabee and Santorum had difficulty getting out their pro-life words regarding rape without a few ums and stalls, because there is so much pressure, an amazing amount of pressure, regarding this topic, as it is so revolting in nature, and the politicians know if they mess it up, the whole da*n world's gonna know and come down on them...

...and then the MAIN subject matter just flies right out the window. It's a shame. The lives of babies--and the destruction of their mothers--is at stake in America every day.

How very true, mlizzy.

And, I am tempted to say, how sad. But I am TIRED of saying "how sad"! Time to stand up against the lies of the Left!

Yes, the Alinsky-ites and the pro-abort media will send a $hit$torm against anyone who dares to be truthful about abortion; but don't we have candidates strong enough to do it?

93 posted on 08/20/2012 11:54:05 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: MEGoody

Exactly. I like Palin, but she did not influence my vote because I had already decided. Steelman wasn’t even on my list. There was no crossover to the R ballot in my county with a hotly contested democrat Sheriff race. Plenty of true conservatives voted for Akin, at least in the rural counties.


94 posted on 08/20/2012 12:05:17 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: gore_sux
How exactly am I supposed to defend his statement? Please name the magical female mechanism that can discern a “legitimate” rape and thus block the sperm from reaching the egg inside her body?

Your straw-man argument aside (nobody said there was a magical mechanism that discerned rape), here is an answer to your question.

This is from Dr. John C. Wilkie, a medical doctor who is an obstetrician/gynecologist:

"... one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that is psychic trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get pregnant and stay pregnant, a woman’s body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain which is easily influenced by emotions. There’s no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. "

Link to quote by Dr. Wilkie.

95 posted on 08/20/2012 12:05:29 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: shhrubbery!

Really disagree with you here. Thats a losing argument. This stoooopid mistake by Akin is a huge distraction. The other 2 runners up are just as conservative if not more.


96 posted on 08/20/2012 12:08:06 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: shhrubbery!
but don't we have candidates strong enough to do it?
We do, we do. Santorum (although a bit of a loose cannon but we loved him regardless), was steady as a Rock regarding unborn life issues, as was Huckabee and is Bobby Jindal. And up until today, I was holding out for Ryan, until the Romney administration said he'd stand for abortion regarding rape (however he never did before). This is beyond discouraging of course. In fact, I'd call it a huge violation against one's moral stance, to convince him he's no longer 100% pro-life. I don't know what it would take, but I wish Ryan would back out of this race. He seems a decent man.
97 posted on 08/20/2012 12:14:17 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Inconvenient Truthteller

I like Sarah Palin, but she isn’t God. In this case, Akin is more conservative than Steelman. And that resonated with Missouri voters.


98 posted on 08/20/2012 12:14:38 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Thats a losing argument.

The Conventional Wisdom© two weeks ago was that selecting Paul Ryan for VP would be a loser, too.

Why? Because Ryan was politically incorrect on Medicare -- and everybody knows Medicare is the third rail of American politics!

99 posted on 08/20/2012 12:14:43 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Marie Antoinette
It blows my mind to see so many on FR saying Akin doesn't have the support of the party. Um, isn't that kinda what we've been complaining about - that the party only supports "establishment" candidates and not true conservatives?

And yet, when the MSM spins what Akin said, there are a lot of FReepers ready to jump on the bandwagon to throw him under the bus. Me thinks they've resorted to Palin worship instead of using their heads.

100 posted on 08/20/2012 12:16:38 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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