Skip to comments.Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?
Posted on 08/20/2012 12:14:50 PM PDT by IbJensen
The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used those causing the civil unrest must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It cant simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets dont just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the bodys organs. Death often follows.
Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nations military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?
All my life Ive handled firearms. When a young boy growing up on my fathers farm in Pennsylvania Dads first rule of firearms training was, Never point a gun at someone, in fun or otherwise, unless you intend to shoot them. If you shoot someone, shoot to kill. Ive never forgotten his admonition. It stayed with me through my Boy Scout training, when I enlisted in the army as a Private to fight in the Korea War, during my days as a Ranger and Paratrooper and throughout my thirty-four year military career.
If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.
In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? Whats the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.
I fear that Congress wont take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldnt Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administrations plans?
Obama is a deadly serious, persistent man. Once he focuses on an object, he pursues it to the end. What is his focus here? All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition cant be just for training, there arent that many weapons and shooters in the U.S. to fire it. Perhaps it is to be used to arm illegal immigrants?
We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.
We have local police, backed up by each states National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?
Were I the JCS, and if I wasnt already fully briefed on this matter, Id stop the purchase of hollow point bullets, ask the secretary of Defense why all this ammunition is being purchased and spread around the country? If I got answers like the ones Congress got during the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious Id start tracking all ammunition deliveries nationwide to find out what organizations and units are using them, for what purpose and, if it is not constitutional, prepare to counteract whatever it is that they are doing.
This is a deadly serious business. I hope Im wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isnt going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.
Jerry Curry is a decorated combat veteran, Army Aviator, Paratrooper, and Ranger, who for nearly forty years has served his country both in the military and as a Presidential political appointee.
This illustrates what’s wrong with government.....social security, homeland security,parks dept, interior, environmental, capital, state and local, FBI, courts, corrections, and on and on. Some of these law enforcement outfits could be done away and their duties be absorbed by other agencies,which would save billions.
I don’t know if DOE has — or why they would need — a SWAT Team. My expertise on agency responsibilities falling under the DOE is limited.
SSA only ordered 174K rounds. That’s less than 600 per agent. Assuming they practice at all, that’s not excessive. They’re obviously not getting in all that many gunfights. Like I said ... this is more about waste than oppression.
Not sure your complaint about regulatory procedure has anything to do with bullet purchases. They’re unelected. Even if they weren’t ... the law would still need to be enforced — probably backed by bullets. If the law sucks ... change it.
Good question. I'm not aware of any soft metal that would work as well as lead in a hollow point round. I've heard that a lot of military rounds are going away from lead due to EPA requirments. My own local outdoor shooting range was 'down' for like a month while they literaly excavated the impact area to cleanup all the lead rounds. Took their sweet old time about it, too.
No kidding. If an SSA agent comes shooting, they’ll run out of ammo way before many of us. Haha.
Frankly, I think the recent rush to buy ammo is just a way for these agencies to ‘fill out’ their budgets...so they can request more money the next year. Its a common goverment trick...and one I was an unwilling participant in many years ago, as I was ordered to burn through several hundred rounds of blanks at the end of a training exercise. So, I’m pretty sure I know why all these requests are coming now.
But lets talk about the ‘hoopla’ about them being hollow points. Somebody has taken it upon themselves to find all these ammo solicitations, and publicize them for the first time...exposing the large scale purchases of ammo by the government. The government reponse “don’t worry your pretty little self, this is just for qualifying at the range.” Well, I’d like to bring on the hoopla....because its government waste on top of government waste, if they are using premium ammunition at the range. Since we the people are paying for this, maybe these federal agencies should be forced to do what we do....and for me that means firing unjacketed crap for practice.
I view these ammo stories as a crack in the window, giving us a small view of what the federal government employees really think of the rest of us. I worked with DA civilians my last year in the Army, so I have a little bit of perspective. They view their day to day jobs in terms of how they can circumvent the law, and violate your liberties...and they treat your money as if it were water flowing from an endless spring. These ammo buy stories expose both of those attitudes.
I think a few of them could easily be consolidated. I don’t see why Justice or Homeland couldn’t supply armed escorts when necessary for some of the agencies where armed agents don’t make as much sense (like the IRS, SSA, NOAA, DOE, etc.). Shooting at a federal agent is a federal crime ... it seems logical that agents that anticipate being shot at could bring a Marshal or Fed along with them.
But, I still hold that this is a case of waste and redundancy, not conspiracy.
Yes, I’ve point-blank asked a lib-in-law if she believed that elected politicians are inherently more moral and intelligent than the general population.
The answer was an unequivocal “yes - otherwise they wouldn’t be there.”
Apply for the newly created job of gunnery sergeant. They need help if they’re going to kill any of us.
With little or no ammo on store shelves, We The People will be hard pressed to continue stockpiling and once inventories are depleted, he'll move to raise the tax on ammo to something like 500% so We The People cannot afford it when the shelves are restocked....and probably putting the ammo manufacturers out of business in the process.
It's a Win-Win-Win for him and his minions.
The article goes on to document that DHS purchased 750 million hollow point rounds in March and another 750 million of other types of bullets including some that are to penetrate walls. Friendly forces consumed roughly 70 million rounds a year in Iraq.
Even NOAA is buying 46,000 hollow points.
Every Tom, Dick and Harry in regulatory agencies are being armed including ‘environmental compliance’.
Be careful how you dispose of those AAA cell batteries. It might appear threatening to those so equipped.
the Obama Administration is afraid that ordinary rounds would penetrate the target and get one of their dwindling supporters. However, they may get splattered with what's left of us.
I’m with you on your theory...
When it was clear that 0bama was going to be elected (when McCain got the nomination), ammo supplies got real short for a while, but then they caught up, and you could actually find some pistol rounds at Walmart.
I’m thinking that the PTB are trying to make it scarce again, because people are steadily buying 2-3 where they would usually buy 1 and putting it back “just in case”.
Except I wouldn’t want to work for the Gubmint.
One more thought regarding the Dept. of Agriculture—don’t they run the National Forest Service? Given that National Forests are being overrun by armed drug cartels, it may not be unreasonable for them to have a SWAT team or two.
The Geneva convention prohibits the use of hollow tipped bullets in warfare. There is absolutely no reason U.S. government agencies like the Social Security Administration or the NOAH should have them AT ALL. If this doesn’t disturb you perhaps you should check your pulse to make sure you have one.
What about all the .40 hollow points the DHS has purchased?