Skip to comments.British MP Says Sex With Sleeping Women Isn't Rape But 'Bad Manners' (Socialist George Galloway)
Posted on 08/20/2012 5:11:35 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
British MP George Galloway has created controversy in the UK for comments made about rape during a British radio broadcast.
Galloway was discussing the sexual allegations against WikiLeaks mastermind Julian Assange in an episode of his "Good Night" podcast published on August 18th.
The New Statesman has transcribed the controversial comments:
Let's take woman A. Woman A met Julian Assange, invited him back to her flat [apartment], gave him dinner, went to bed with him, had consensual sex with him. Claims that she woke up to him having sex with her again. This is something which can happen, you know.
I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion. Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.
It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, "do you mind if I do it again?". It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning. . .
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Galloway: Anti-rape reaction is a Pentagon conspiracy - August 20, 2012
"Oh how this 'liberal' chorus of Pavlovian reaction must delight the Pentagon!" he tweeted.
"Oh my, what a lot of 'liberal' useful idiots the Empire can count on."
He won’t be forced to step down as the Repubs and Dems are demanding of Akin.
George is absolutely correct.
And Assange had a legal twofer.
Maybe in *your* filthy world,Comrade,but not in mine.
The Assange case has nothing to do with rape. its an excuse.
Perhaps this is not legitimate rape...
George Galloway... was discussing the sexual allegations against WikiLeaks mastermind Julian Assange in an episode of his "Good Night" podcast published on August 18th.
I disagree that its bad manners. You must have permission every time. It might be rape but it be pretty hard to convince others of it unless they were actually there
WEll, back then they said ORal sexual harassment was fine because it was just sex... and then not even sex according to Clinton... so, there you go.
Sodomizing childlren is not traumatic according to the APA either...
Akin is being blamed not for the rape comment, but for the antiabortion part.
The BBC banned Winston Churchill for less.
OK, lets remove the fact that he had a sordid twosome with two random girls, and pretend that it was his wife. What then? Would having sex with your sleeping wife be rape, or would it just be bad manners?
My viewpoint would be that, after the first time that night, consent would be implied unless explicitly withdrawn.
No surprise here. Galloway probably got the idea from reading it from some “Ask the Imam” website somewhere. He is one of the UK’s biggest supporters of Islamist ideology.
Honest, your Honor - George Galloway said so!
“Would having sex with your sleeping wife be rape, or would it just be bad manners”
I have been married 30 yrs and know for a fact! If I wake my wife up for sex, I might as well get divorced. You don’t wake my wife up unless you are dying, and if you do, an ambulance better be involved!
But was it a “legitimate” boink?
Do not let Todd Akin hear about this.
A woman has the right to say "no" to her husband just as certainly as a guy has the same right with his wife.
It might be rape if she woke up and told him to stop and he refused to. Maybe her buzz wore off during her nap and she regretted having sex the first time around. He should have woke her before he tried to poke her.
My wife prefers it that way
Perhaps "explicitly revoked" would be a better phrase to use in this case. *snicker*
You’re not well, to put it mildly.
What I want to know is WHY someone hasn’t murdered that filthy socialist/communist SOB yet?
Written, signed by credible witnesses.
Thanks for being a voice of sanity on the thread. For having a conscience. For having a grip on reality.
Wait, if I’m asleep throughout the action scenes, how would I know afterwards?!
Usually they fall asleep on me half way through. I may have a bigger problem than bad manners.
I like to think of myself as a pretty broad-minded feller but there isn't enough penicillin in the world for me to take sexual advice from this freak.
“Your honor, she didn’t say ‘NO’.”
“If you get into bed with someone willingly, take your clothes off, and engage in consensual sex with that person, you might get raped in the process, but you’re going to have a damnably hard time convincing a reasonable person of the fact.”
Agreed. Who can argue with this? Isn’t it the liberal politically correct crowd who is supposed to argue with it, and the conservatives who are supposed to support it? I support the above statement, and all that is implied therein.
Just hate it when that happens. (actually did one time about 30 years ago the 1st time I slept with a new girlfriend)
I don’t think the argument is about whether he has the right to carry on when she says ‘no’, but about whether he should be done for rape for having sex without explicit consent after they’ve already had sex once and are sleeping in the same bed.
If your partner is sleeping - you’re doing it wrong.
Yet, waking your girlfriend up early because you can’t get enough would be seen as passionate, spontaneous, and romantic. You know, all those things they blame men for ruining.
“It might be rape if she woke up and told him to stop and he refused to.”
Certainly, that’s reasonable. However, just waking someone up who you just had sex with by trying to give it another go, well that isn’t rape. In fact, I think a lot of people would consider that foreplay. I know that women have done it to me, and I didn’t feel raped.
I used to encourage my GF to have sex with me when I was sleeping. Back then I was very very tired all the time and would fall asleep in 2 minutes flat if I stopped moving and closed my eyes. That made the GF a little frustrated. After the first time she decided she liked it that way.
I don’t consider it rape either. How was he suppose to know she found her morals after taking a short nap? She should have asked him to leave if she was done with him. I guess she hasn’t spent too many mornings naked in bed with a man.
Your comment is quite hilarious, at least in my mind.
BTW, I think one of the elements of the crime of rape is penetration without consent. Once consent to such an act is given, I don’t think it’s rape. Of course, if she says, during the deed, “get off me and die scumbag,” the gentlemanly thing to do is to stop. But most guys won’t do that. That’s bad manners.
Musloids can legally copulate with their deceased wives up to 6 hours after death.
Allah and Christiane Amanpour give the consent.
It does work, strangely enough....
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yes, but it requires a motivated GF who prefers to be on top.
What is this? Politicians Saying Stupid Stuff About Rape Month?
Youre not well, to put it mildly.
Conservatives as we are, we seem to have a way of letting our values get in the way of fact.
The fact is there is not a court in any free common law nation that would convict Assange of rape in a fair trial.
The fact is that the alleged victim had consensual sex with Assange, remained in the same bed sleeping with him ( this is actual consent to the 2nd episode of sex by the alleged victims action, not even implied consent, according to law).
You can have all the moralistic wet dreams you want. Given these facts , Assange is not guilty of rape, even though he is a scumbag for other reasons.
You are not well, to put it mildly.
There is no law in the Western world that provides for such a finding.
You are not well, to put it mildly.
I'm not the one who believes that it's all well and good to molest a sleeping woman.
I guess in your "mind" I have a consciousness fetish or something.