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Group representing Va. veteran says hes being detained for anti-government Facebook posts
Washington Post ^ | Associated Press

Posted on 08/21/2012 8:24:08 AM PDT by dirtboy

RICHMOND, Va. — A former Marine involuntarily detained for psychiatric evaluation for posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook has received an outpouring of support from people who say authorities are trampling on his First Amendment rights.

Brandon J. Raub, 26, has been in custody since FBI and Secret Service agents and Chesterfield County police questioned him Thursday evening about what they considered ominous posts talking of a coming revolution. In one message earlier this month, Raub wrote: “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.”

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Dee Rybiski, an FBI spokeswoman in Richmond, said there was no Facebook snooping by her agency.

“We received quite a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts,” she said. “Given the circumstances with the things that have gone on in the country with some of these mass shootings, it would be horrible for law enforcement not to pay attention to complaints.”

Whitehead said some of the posts in question were made on a closed Facebook page that Raub had just created and that had only three members, so he questioned whether anyone from the public would have complained about them.

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“Given the circumstances with the things that have gone on in the country with some of these mass shootings, it would be horrible for law enforcement not to pay attention to complaints.”

Given the First Amendment, there needed to be an actual threat in those postings to act in such a manner. This shows how involuntary psych commitment can be abused post-Virginia Tech.

1 posted on 08/21/2012 8:24:17 AM PDT by dirtboy
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From the comments at the link:

What the AP article irresponsibly fails to mention is that the 'Sharpen my axe' post is a popular line from the song 'Bring Me Down' by the major rap group Swollen Members

2 posted on 08/21/2012 8:27:37 AM PDT by dirtboy
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Raub wrote: “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.”

Sounds like Raub is guilty of using colorful language while being Christian and White.

Had Mr. Raub been black or Muslim his language would have been unremarkable.

3 posted on 08/21/2012 8:29:45 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Facebook support page for Raub:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/188319494633640/


4 posted on 08/21/2012 8:30:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
This is how you deny patriotic veterans their second amendment rights.
5 posted on 08/21/2012 8:30:34 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: dirtboy; Lazamataz

Laz, you’re following this case, right?


6 posted on 08/21/2012 8:31:45 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: MileHi
I see this as a gross overreaction to Virginia Tech and the Colorado shootings, among others.

I don't even think the nitwits doing this are bothering to stop and see if there is anything truly actionable here. They are just reacting to the vaguest perception of a threat from what Raub posted.

I am glad Rutherford is involved. This one needs to be slapped down or else it will start a horrible precedent.

7 posted on 08/21/2012 8:34:22 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: MileHi
patriotic veterans

Is being a 9/11 truther patriotic?

8 posted on 08/21/2012 8:35:03 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: dirtboy

Wow!

The err...not-an-arrest-but-forcibly-detained-for-your-and-our-own-good incident actually got reported in the Washington Post and in a timely manner too!


9 posted on 08/21/2012 8:35:10 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined Effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: dirtboy

This was a favorite tactic of Soviet Union. If someone dissents then declare them insane and have them involuntarily committed and shipped to the Gulags. Dark days are here friends.


10 posted on 08/21/2012 8:35:48 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Strategerist

I loathe truthers. But he has a Constitutional right to post what he wants on a website that allows such. I have read his FB posts and I only saw one that was remotely actionable, IMO - one that could have been perceived as a threat. When this story broke, I thought there had to be more than his FB posts to justify such a drastic action. According to Rutherford, there isn’t. And that should give everyone on this website pause.


11 posted on 08/21/2012 8:37:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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Previous FR threads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920782/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920394/posts


12 posted on 08/21/2012 8:38:36 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: MileHi

The full Rutherford statement:

Former US Marine Brandon Raub ordered to remain in custody

CHESTERFIELD, VA— The Rutherford Institute has come to the defense of a former Marine, 26-year-old Brandon Raub, who was arrested, detained indefinitely in a psych ward and forced to undergo psychological evaluations based solely on the controversial nature of lines from song lyrics, political messages and virtual card games which he posted to his private Facebook page.

Although the FBI and Chesterfield County police have not charged Brandon Raub, a resident of Chesterfield County, Va., with committing any crime, they arrested Raub on Thursday, August 16, 2012, and transported him to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will due to alleged concerns that his Facebook (FB) posts were controversial and “terrorist in nature.” In a hearing held at the hospital, government officials disregarded Raub’s explanation that the Facebook posts were being interpreted out of context, sentencing him up to 30 days’ further confinement in a VA psych ward. In coming to Raub’s defense, Rutherford Institute attorneys are challenging Raub’s arrest and forcible detention, as well as the government’s overt Facebook surveillance and violation of Raub’s First Amendment rights.

“For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon. This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here,” said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute. “Brandon Raub is no different from the majority of Americans who use their private Facebook pages to post a variety of content, ranging from song lyrics and political hyperbole to trash talking their neighbors, friends and government leaders.”

Brandon Raub, a former Marine who has served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, was detained by FBI agents and police officers at his home in Chesterfield County based upon the nature of content posted to his Facebook page in recent months. Like many Facebook users, Raub uses his FB page to post songs lyrics and air his political opinions, as well as engage in virtual online games with other users. On Thursday, August 16, police and FBI agents arrived at Raub’s home, asking to speak with him about his Facebook posts. They did not provide Raub with a search warrant. Raub was cooperative and agreed to speak with them.

Without providing any explanation, levying any charges against Raub or reading him his rights, law enforcement officials then handcuffed Raub and transported him first to the police headquarters, then to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will. Outraged onlookers filmed the arrest and posted the footage to YouTube. Law enforcement officials have stated in press reports that Raub was not arrested. However, as attorney John Whitehead points out, if the police have put handcuffs on you and you’re being held against your will, that qualifies as an arrest.

In a hearing before a judge on August 20, government officials again pointed to Raub’s Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration. Ignoring Raub’s explanations about the fact that the FB posts were being read out of context and his attorney’s First Amendment defense, the judge agreed that Raub should be incarcerated at a VA hospital for up to 30 more days. Rutherford Institute attorneys are working to challenge Raub’s detention and the highly unconstitutional nature of the government’s actions.


13 posted on 08/21/2012 8:39:48 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Strategerist

I don’t agree at all with his position on these issues, however he does have a right to spout off whatever nonsense he wants.
By theses standards 1/4 of the NYC nighttime subway riders would be committed already.


14 posted on 08/21/2012 8:40:45 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: circlecity

Careful with that ax, Eugene


15 posted on 08/21/2012 8:41:30 AM PDT by Gasshog (Tragically,Obama ate the blue dog...)
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To: dirtboy

Whitehead said some of the posts in question were made on a closed Facebook page that Raub had just created and that had only three members, so he questioned whether anyone from the public would have complained about them.


I have a fake Facebook account. I even have four friends that asked to be friends. But nothing on the page is me or about me. One would need my ip address to find out who it is.

I use it as my ID when posting on commercial news stories that allow comments.


16 posted on 08/21/2012 8:42:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: dirtboy

I thought that a person could only be held for mental health reasons if they specifically told an authority that they intended to commit suicide or harm another...?


17 posted on 08/21/2012 8:44:43 AM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: dirtboy
Another article on this from Richmond newspaper.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/aug/19/tdmet02-chesterfield-man-held-in-hospital-on-conce-ar-2140519/

18 posted on 08/21/2012 8:45:25 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Signs of the Times are clear. The days grow short. Your only way to avoid is BELIEVE in Him!)
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Whitehead said Raub’s only act of resistance was refusing to allow authorities into his home without a warrant.

Raub’s supporters are characterizing the detention as an arrest, complaining that he was handcuffed and whisked away in a police cruiser without being served a warrant or read his Miranda rights. But county and federal authorities say it was not an arrest because Raub doesn’t face criminal charges.

Sounds to me like he was with in his rights to do so.

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

So if they were not arresting him how could he be resisting arrest? If they did not have a warrant how can refusing them entry to his house be resisting arrest?

19 posted on 08/21/2012 8:46:26 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Is being a 9/11 truther patriotic?

I wouldn't say so. If this guy is a truther, should he be involuntarily committed for it?

20 posted on 08/21/2012 8:47:14 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Pontiac

The doublespeak is strong with this story. And it is a very short journey from Raub to committing people for political views.


21 posted on 08/21/2012 8:48:31 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Thanks amigo


22 posted on 08/21/2012 8:48:54 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: dirtboy

Thomas Jefferson, if alive today, would be thrown in a mental health facility (for his own good of course) and never let out.
We are going to have to be very careful about bombastic and colorful expressions if this is the new deal.


23 posted on 08/21/2012 8:49:16 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: dirtboy

hmmm...when are they coming for Jim Rob all that business yesterday about destroying the dear Reader. spooky stuff.


24 posted on 08/21/2012 8:50:03 AM PDT by Gasshog (Tragically,Obama ate the blue dog...)
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To: Mad Dawg; EDINVA; VA_Gentleman; seekthetruth; COBOL2Java; Perdogg; kabar; Gabz; Wage Slave; ...

VA Ping!

If you want on/off the VA Ping List, please freepmail me. Thanks!


25 posted on 08/21/2012 8:59:23 AM PDT by randita (Paul Ryan is "Mr. Smith goes to Washington.")
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To: Gasshog
"Careful with that ax, Eugene"

Or else I'll set the controls for the heart of the sun.

26 posted on 08/21/2012 8:59:38 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Yes.

But I am following it carefully. I don't want the U.S.S.A. government to decide *I* am insane.

27 posted on 08/21/2012 9:03:16 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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“So if they were not arresting him how could he be resisting arrest? If they did not have a warrant how can refusing them entry to his house be resisting arrest?”

You ask many kveztions, comrade. Perhaps you veel find answers in Gulag?!;)


28 posted on 08/21/2012 9:12:21 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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And it is a very short journey from Raub to committing people for political views.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Raub makes that journey with in the week.

I’d say he is half way there already.

29 posted on 08/21/2012 9:15:46 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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I have heard that he had two different pages. One was pretty much out there.... but there seems some reasoned debate over if he was posting words to an obscure song —or if he spewing
terror threats. There seems also some question as to if he was read his Miranda rights-or not. And if the FBI deliberately LIED to his momma claiming he had been arrested for assaulting an Officer and resisting arrest. She says she went to where they said he was to find he was not there? Had not been taken there.IF these guys are among the Sovereign Citizens group or not I do not know. But I’d bet IF he was a Black Muslim— or a
Black Panther Eric Holder would be all about defending him.


30 posted on 08/21/2012 9:18:46 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Lazamataz; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Laz, I though you where well beyond insane already.


31 posted on 08/21/2012 9:25:40 AM PDT by Ratman83
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I cannot speak to the underlying law, but from a practical standpoint - I (and my sis) had to involuntarily my mom (bipolar and waaaaay off the reservation) several times.

While my father was alive, it was a bit easier as they certainly took at face value the statements of the man living with her, coupled with her behavior.

After he passed, it became much more difficult, as the bias was certainly against sis and I, who were more likely to be seen as trying to put inconvenient mother into the hospital, presumably so we could raid her assets.

Anyway, in talking to an eldercare attorney, his suggestion was to go swear out (I don’t recall the exact language) a warrant for observation, at the circuit court, who would then engage the cops to go pick up the individual, take them to the nearest hospital for observation. I believe that the warrant issued by the court for observation satisfies the rules of the 4th amendment. But I’m no legal scholar.

BTW, we never went that route with my mom, we handled it the hard way, as I was not really interested in Baltimore city cops showing up at my moms place.


32 posted on 08/21/2012 9:26:11 AM PDT by dmz
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To: circlecity

you win!


33 posted on 08/21/2012 9:27:39 AM PDT by Gasshog (Tragically,Obama ate the blue dog...)
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To: dirtboy
The local police say they did not arrest him. The FBI says they did not arrest him. He has not been charged with a crime. The judge authorized another 30 days detention.

WTF is going on?

“Col. Thierry Dupuis, the county police chief, said Raub was taken into custody upon the recommendation of mental health crisis intervention workers. He said the action was taken in accordance with the state’s emergency custody statute, which allows a magistrate to order the civil detention and psychiatric evaluation of a person deemed to be potentially dangerous. He said Raub was handcuffed because he resisted officers’ attempts to take him into custody.”

Somebody (multiple officials) is lying.

34 posted on 08/21/2012 9:31:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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This may be a warning for anyone posting on the internet. Be careful what you post. Unless Raub has a collection of axes that he spends an inordinate amount of time sharpening I consider his comment a metaphor. The Soviet Union also had problems with mental deviants. A simple lobotomy will return Raub to a contributing member of the community. Perhaps he can go on food stamps (economists say every $1.00 in food stamps contribute $1.84 to the economy.) The FBI has its work cut out for it. Thousands of rap artists, Black Panthers, and even politicians, have said things that could have them committed. A prominent politician once said, “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun.”


35 posted on 08/21/2012 9:32:51 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: Pontiac

“So if they were not arresting him how could he be resisting arrest? If they did not have a warrant how can refusing them entry to his house be resisting arrest?”

Sounds like state-sanctioned kidnapping.


36 posted on 08/21/2012 9:34:03 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Vehmgericht
Unless Raub has a collection of axes that he spends an inordinate amount of time sharpening I consider his comment a metaphor.

See post 2. It's a song lyric.

37 posted on 08/21/2012 9:35:06 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: StonyBurk

You have got to be kidding me. This is akin to a call to arms.

I’m an attorney and as such can state, based upon these facts (the facts as set forth in the public releases thus far), this state/federal act of seizure was illegal, further, it goes against everything that America stands for. Seriously, I never post, but this one just speaks to me and makes me “afraid”.

How does this happen? How can any American abide this?


38 posted on 08/21/2012 9:36:36 AM PDT by Nogara
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To: Strategerist
Is being a 9/11 truther patriotic?

Hmmm Yes truthers are pretty dumb, but since when is ignorance a crime? The average DEM makes that ignorance seem trivial.

39 posted on 08/21/2012 9:37:07 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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This is his one FB post that could be construed as a threat against a specific party, IMO:

5) This is the part where I tell the Federal Government to go **** [db edit] itself. This is the part where I tell Generals, training our young men to fight Americans, I am coming for you. The Veterans will be with me. 8/9/12

But even then, that is pretty weak as a legal justification to have someone involuntarily committed.

40 posted on 08/21/2012 9:37:51 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Strategerist

No, but serving in the USMC is.


41 posted on 08/21/2012 9:38:33 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Deemed potentially dangerous” by faceless, unnamed “mental health crisis intervention workers” (mental health bureaucrats) looking at the guy’s Facebook posts.

Very alarming precedent.


42 posted on 08/21/2012 9:42:35 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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One major difference I see between you personal experience and that of Mr. Raub is that at least in the case of your mother you and your sister could testify to personal observation of your mother’s behavior.

The people swearing out a “warrant” as to the possible dangers posed by Mr. Raub had nothing but a few internet postings that may suggest (if interpreted loosely) he is a danger to someone.

43 posted on 08/21/2012 9:50:28 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Yep


44 posted on 08/21/2012 9:58:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Vehmgericht
New Black Panthers to RNC: Our 'Feet Will Be On Your Motherf***ing Necks'

Quick! Someone call the "mental health crisis intervention workers". They must not have heard about this.

45 posted on 08/21/2012 9:58:41 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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. In one message earlier this month, Raub wrote: “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.”

Obummer should be arrested too:

On Feb. 22, 2010,
Obummer said “I will ax all the states...”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aogWFrW1PyU


46 posted on 08/21/2012 10:00:26 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Yup- where?? who knew?)
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To: dirtboy

BUT.. the black panthers can say out loud on camera, that its time to kill white people and that is not a terrorist threat, it seems to be ok. The world is truly upside down.


47 posted on 08/21/2012 10:01:59 AM PDT by txgirl4Bush (2012 can't come soon enough!)
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To: dirtboy

Good thing he doesn`t cut his bacon with an ax or he`d be in double trouble.


48 posted on 08/21/2012 10:08:04 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Yup- where?? who knew?)
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To: dirtboy; LucyT; little jeremiah; azishot
A former Marine involuntarily detained for psychiatric evaluation for posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook

Back to the USSR,...You don't know how lucky you are.... Beatle John Lennon)

Here are more signs to unadulterated Communism. Put anyone who objects to 0b0z0 in a mental hospital and pump him/her with drugs until they don't know who they are!

In the good ol' USSR, the rational was that if you opposed the government, you must be crazy. If you knew that you would face execution, put in a Siberian labor camp or just simply you could "vanish," How dare you oppose the Communist government?

Are we heading to a communist dictatorship? If we fail to resist what’ll be thrust upon us during the pre-election, the election and/or in the aftermath, there’s no doubt in my mind we’ll arrive there.

This is a window on the very near future. If we allow history to repeat itself, we’re doomed to enslavement.

49 posted on 08/21/2012 10:28:02 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: dirtboy
Well let this be a lesson to everyone who irks the government. There is no gain in cooperating with police officers who show up at your door. Simply decline to answer the door to your house. Aside from invited guests, I've ignored people ringing my doorbell door for years, since uninvited guests never have anything of value to say to me. Well, except for the Publisher's Clearinghouse guy....

If you can see the agency names on the doors of the police cars, you can have your attorney call the agency in question to see what they want.

If you do feel compelled to communicate, go to a second-story window and open it. Talking through the window, ask the officer(s) knocking on the door to leave their contact information at the door and that your attorney will contact them shortly to discuss the matter in question. Close the window. By doing this you have not refused to cooperate, but rather have asked for legal counsel to represent you in all discussions with LEO's.

Details from the article are sketchy, but I'm betting the anti-military comments got the FBI involved and they showed up with some flunky social worker in tow. Because this guy engaged in a conversation with the officers/agents, he enabled the case worker to "observe" him and deem him "dangerous". Once he was deemed dangerous, I'm sure he started backpedaling and did not want them to arrest him, but by then it was too late. Having opened the door and engaged in discussion, he lost the protection of a warrant, since apparently.

Treat the government like a vampire. If you invite them into your house, you deserve to get what's coming to you...

50 posted on 08/21/2012 10:52:47 AM PDT by Panzerfaust
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