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Woman Conceived in Rape Responds to Akin Abortion Controversy
Life News ^ | August 21, 2012 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 08/21/2012 2:53:18 PM PDT by NYer

Rebecca Kiessling, a pro-life attorney from Michigan, fully understands the national debate going on concerning the controversial comments Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin made about abortion and rape. Kiessling was conceived when her mother was victimized by a rapist.

“It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, if it’s a legitimate rape, that’s really rare. The female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,” Akin said. “The punishment ought to be on the rapist, and not in attacking the child.”

Kiessling responded to the comments saying that the use of the term “legitimate rape” was unnecessary and improper and she gave her advice for how pro-life candidates can thoughtfully and articulately address the sensitive subject of rape and abortion.

First of all — never say ‘legitimate rape,’” Kiessling said. “Ron Paul used the same terminology last January and he got lambasted for it too. This kind of remark only serves to perpetuate the suspicion of rape victims’ accounts. It’s estimated that only 1% of rape victims ever see their rapist convicted as charged. Rape is rape. “Legitimate rape” almost sounds as if it was somehow justifiable.”

“If you are 100% pro-life with no rape exceptions, there is no need to question the veracity of a rape victims’ account, because you are against all abortions. It would not matter if a woman was not or not raped,” she continued.

While abortion advocates often talk about supporting a woman’s right to privacy, Kiessling says rape exceptions in abortion laws turn that notion on its head.

“Rape exceptions in the law actually put the government in the position of having to ascertain when the child was conceived, who the father is, whether the child was conceived during the alleged rape or during intercourse with her husband or boyfriend, and if the child was conceived during the time frame of the alleged rape, then the government would need to determine whether the sexual intercourse was consensual or not,” she explained. “So rape exceptions serve to perpetuate the injustice against rape victims that their accounts are to be viewed with skepticism, and it further leaves the majority of impregnated rape victims wholly unprotected under the law. Rape exceptions suggest that a “real rape victim” couldn’t possibly love “the rapist’s baby” and that rape victim mothers don’t exist.”

The pro-life attorney says pro-life candidates need to be coached on how to answer the media’s inevitable question.

“Senator Rick Santorum, during his presidential campaign, said that he thinks that a child conceived in rape is “a gift from God,” and he was made fun of for that. Just Google images for “Santorum rape” and you’ll see all of the posters where he is mocked for this statement. While I believe it’s true that every child is a gift from God, including children conceived in rape, I don’t believe this was the best response for the interview,” she explained. “If it had been my birthmother sharing that she believes that I’m a blessing and a gift from God, she would not be mocked and ridiculed in the same way he was. And then Sharron Angle, during her Senate race in Nevada, said it’s a “lemonade situation,” which did not come across well at all. The problem is not with these candidates’ values. The problem is how they express them.”

Kiessling gives a three-step process in terms of how candidates should answer the question:

1. The Supreme Court has said that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment for rapists and that rapists don’t deserve the death penalty. I don’t think the innocent child conceived in rape deserves the death penalty for the crimes of her father. It seems to me that is cruel and unusual punishment.

2. Rape victims are four times more likely to die within the next year after the abortion, with a higher rate of suicide, murder, drug overdose, etc.. As someone who really cares about rape victims, I want to protect them from the rapist, and from the abortion, and not the baby. A baby is not the worst thing that could ever happen to a rape victim — an abortion is. We need to educate the American public on the truth in this matter and not make public policy based on myth and misinformation.

3. Rape victims choose abortion at half the rate of the average unplanned pregnancy, which is over 50%. Only 15-25% of rape victims choose abortion, depending on the study. The majority of rape victims choose to raise her child — not “the rapist’s baby” — HER child.

Of course, I also think it helps to share a personal story and there are lots available, of women who became pregnant by rape and either regret aborting, are raising their children or are birth-moms, as well as stories of those of us conceived in rape and/or incest. You can find those stories on my website: www.rebeccakiessling.com/Othersconceivedinrape.html and www.rebeccakiessling.com/PregnantByRape.html



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KEYWORDS: abortion; akin; kiessling; michigan; missouri; prolife; rape; rebeccakiessling; sarahsteelman; toddakin
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To: NYer; All

HEY! I know...

How about the Aiken campaign just tells everyone that CLAY Akien has replaced Todd on the ballot.

Since he’s gay...all the Dems will vote for him, right?

/sarc


51 posted on 08/21/2012 4:08:22 PM PDT by TheRobb7 (Mitt Romney Chooses Paul Ryan as VP: DEMOCRATS HARDEST HIT)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“I understand that there is no logic in allowing a baby to be terminated because he was conceived in rape. It is not his fault. I also have a real personal problem condemning a woman to a life-changing pregnancy and 18-years of child-rearing that she truly had absolutely no option to refuse. It also is not her fault.

Unfortunately, life presents situations with absolutely no good answer. This is one of them. It is possible that “choice” is the best of two awful options.”

Ahhhh. But there ARE more than 2 options...and a “good answer” to boot. How about the baby lives, and the mother is not “punished” with a baby. Adoption is a wonderful option, yet you do not even mention it!


52 posted on 08/21/2012 4:09:25 PM PDT by battletank
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To: driftdiver
"Does the father get a vote,"

The father's a rapist. Kill him.

" how about the baby?"

It's note a baby, it's an unwanted embryo.

53 posted on 08/21/2012 4:10:00 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: NYer
never say ‘legitimate rape,’

There may be a proper term for it, but:

1) A girl is in an abortion clinic and uses "rape" as an excuse.
2) A girl does the wild thing and her father finds out, she says she was raped.

Maybe rape needs to be treated as a serious crime, and promiscuous consentual sex needs to be re-stigmatized,

54 posted on 08/21/2012 4:10:47 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Principle is one thing. One can state principle without mentioning some partly backed science about how a woman shuts it down. He could have simply said “I don’t support killing a baby regardless of the circumstance”. Problem solved.


55 posted on 08/21/2012 4:14:21 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: spunkets
It's note a baby, it's an unwanted embryo.

Those aren't viable tomatoes, why they're still hanging on the vine.

56 posted on 08/21/2012 4:15:52 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: spunkets

An embryo is just the youngest stage of life for a given species. A pig embryo is the youngest form of pig. A horse embryo is the youngest form of horse. A human embryo is just the youngest form of human. One of my law teachers used to talk about the ideological power of categories. Move the baby from “child” to “embryo,” and suddenly you can kill him with impunity. That’s not science. That’s just word games, with murderous consequences.


57 posted on 08/21/2012 4:23:43 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"Those aren't viable tomatoes, why they're still hanging on the vine.

It's the owner's decision whether they're wanted and it's also the owner's decision whether or not to leave them hanging there, or to rip up the whole plant and toss it in the compost heap.

58 posted on 08/21/2012 4:24:01 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: PhxTM06

He didn’t lie. He’s standing up for the unborn in all circumstances.

I really appreciated this article. It had some wonderful facts that I’ll be able to make use of in the next couple of months, I’m sure.

I’m glad he stayed in the race. I sure didn’t want some old retread being picked for me. I have an idea. Instead of continuing in doom and gloom mode, why don’t we rally around him? I think that is a far better option than freaking out and declaring the seat lost already. CM is worth beating. Todd is the nominee so I’m going to support him.


59 posted on 08/21/2012 4:24:19 PM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer
Well, according to this thread Rebecca doesn't exist.

Or maybe she does exist, but her mother wasn't really raped.

Or, perhaps her mother was really raped, but secretly enjoyed it.
60 posted on 08/21/2012 4:28:46 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: spunkets
It's note a baby, it's an unwanted embryo.

Or zygote. So... is your keyword for this issue 'unwanted?'

Aren't all abortions-on-demand the 'unwanted' of babies-by-any-other-name?

Is unwantedness the key issue for you?

61 posted on 08/21/2012 4:31:04 PM PDT by glock rocks (Hey... shut the damn barn! Were you raised in a... um, wait.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
"An embryo is just the youngest stage of life for a given species."

All cells contain the potential to develop into the organism which it came from.

"One of my law teachers used to talk about the ideological power of categories. Move the baby from “child” to “embryo,” and suddenly you can kill him with impunity."

Skin cells can be cloned. How does they fit into the professor's irrational catagory scheme?

"with murderous consequences"

A petri dish full of embryos is not a pool of people and an unwanted embryo is not a person. For an embryo to be called a person, their parents must make that designation. No one else has the right to do so.

62 posted on 08/21/2012 4:32:59 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

If it’s not a baby, no need for an abortion.


63 posted on 08/21/2012 4:34:43 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: glock rocks
"Or zygote. So... is your keyword for this issue 'unwanted?'"

Absolutely, and the key to it is the requirement for the mother's body and the mother's absolute sovereignty over that body. There's nothing viable about the embryo whatsoever w/o the mother's body being involved, until some later stage of the pregnancy — later stage being the keyword. For the purposes of this discussion, contraception is essentially what's involved here.

64 posted on 08/21/2012 4:40:50 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: NYer

bttt


65 posted on 08/21/2012 4:44:07 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: NYer

How about we not focus on the rape victim but instead focus on the rapist and have his immolation broadcast and repeated on national television in 3D max? If the victim is preg, abort it and shove it up his ass beforehand.

There is a reason vicious punishment existed in the middle ages: It prevented vicious crime.

And it doesn’t have to be the middle ages. Take the Muslim assassination of French General Jean Baptiste Kleber in 1800. The French took his assassin Soleyman El-Halaby, tied his arm to a tree and burned it down to the bone slowly over 40 minutes using a torch.

Then they took a 10 foot spike, layed the top of the spike on his sphincter hole, and slammed it in using a sledge hammer until it came out beside his neck. Then they flipped the whole thing vertical until the spike was standing straight up and poor Soleyman was resting comfortably like a worm on a fish hook. Then they cooked him like a pig on a spit. How many people would oppose this if their sister, mother or wife was raped? Not me, I would volunteer.


66 posted on 08/21/2012 4:50:33 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: NYer

Fellow pro-life Freepers,

I recommend we disseminate this article with others as rapidly as possible.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/08/20/woman-conceived-in-rape-responds-to-akin-abortion-controversy/


67 posted on 08/21/2012 4:52:05 PM PDT by golas1964 (Obama must be defeated in 2012)
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To: spunkets
I thank you for your honest and lucid answer.

I suppose these lines are drawn at the point between conception and human life at "some later stage of pregnancy." I'm of the opinion that human life begins at conception.

68 posted on 08/21/2012 4:52:40 PM PDT by glock rocks (Hey... shut the damn barn! Were you raised in a... um, wait.)
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To: golas1964

The person who needs to read it most right now is Todd Akin. AND maybe she might come campaign for him after she sets his language straight... He is going to need all the legitimate help he can get to beat Claire.


69 posted on 08/21/2012 4:55:38 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: justice14

What is known about this particular question of science is far less than what is not known.

His comments might have been inaccurate, but I would gues the answer is unclear. What is certain is that nobody can states accurately, based on what they feel about the topic, that Akin was incorrect.

But what Akin said certainly has nothing to do with whether or not he will be a good senator.


70 posted on 08/21/2012 5:07:51 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: spunkets
Talk about irrational, try this:

A petri dish full of embryos is not a pool of people and an unwanted embryo is not a person. For an embryo to be called a person, their parents must make that designation. No one else has the right to do so.

When an intermediate premise assumes the conclusion, we have circular reasoning. Highly irrational.

Translated to expose the circle, you appear to be saying that a very young human life is not capable of being defined as protectable human life except by older human life which has already been designated as protectable human life by other human lives that have also been designated as protectable human life AND capable of judging the protectability of human life by yet other human life deemed as protectable human life by (insert infinite regression here) ....

Confused reasoning at its finest. You are begging the question of what human life is, deferring answering of that question to an infinite regression which never answers it. As Spock would say, highly illogical.

71 posted on 08/21/2012 5:08:11 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: spunkets
It's the owner's decision whether they're wanted and it's also the owner's decision whether or not to leave them hanging there, or to rip up the whole plant and toss it in the compost heap.

I guess that is an expression of your respect for the value of human life...except tomatoes aren't human, and the mother is not the "owner" of the baby.

72 posted on 08/21/2012 5:15:51 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
"you appear to be saying that a very young human life is not capable of being defined as protectable human life except by older human life..."

Stop at this point. First, human life is determined by adults. Very young human life includes fresh skin calls after division. They obviously can not make decisions, but can, with the help of some scientists become adult humans and then at that point they can make decisions.

"You are begging the question of what human life "

The question isn't, "what is human life?" The question is "what is a person?" Personhood is determined by those who have reached the age of reason. ie. adults

73 posted on 08/21/2012 5:21:13 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: NYer
This is a difficult and highly emotional issue. First and foremost we should do all that we can to prevent rape in the first place. Forcible rape should carry a life or capital sentence. Many rapists are repeat offenders. There was a recent story of 3 college students that raped a girl that was passed out at a party and received only probation.

More women should train and conceal or open carry.

God needs to be brought back into the fabric of society. Man is rudderless without His guidance.

74 posted on 08/21/2012 5:24:53 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"the mother is not the "owner" of the baby. "

There is no baby and you and your cohorts are not the owners of it. You also do not own, or have any justification whatsoever to claim any soveriegnty, or right to determine how the mother must use her body, or to dictate to her how or what to consider her unwanted embryo. That stands especially clear and firm when it was placed by a rapist. In fact, such a person who would join forces to coerce the will of the woman raped regarding the unwanted embryo is no less than complicit in the rape itself!

75 posted on 08/21/2012 5:30:46 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: tanknetter
I think what Akin was told by doctors was that a woman's body would sometimes recognize the trauma, physical and emotional trauma and spontaneously abort.
76 posted on 08/21/2012 5:32:07 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: tanknetter

There are two problems with the Missouri Jack@$$’s comments. The smaller one is that he verbally fumbled the ball in using the term “legitimate rape”.

The much BIGGER one is that he claimed a uterus is smart enough to realize that a rape has occurred and will reject the zygote/embryo. Which is utter insanity and something the very existence of the woman writing this thoughtful commentary directly contradicts. While he’s at it, why doesn’t he just go ahead and claim that the world is really flat too?


This is exactly correct and is what has most of us picking our heads off the desk. You can argue “standing by principle” all you want. It’s irrelevant. This was mind-numbing stupidity that makes all Christians look like radical fundies.

....and stupid ones at that.

No, he needs to go, but that appears to be moot at this point.


77 posted on 08/21/2012 5:34:10 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Eagles6
"There was a recent story of 3 college students that raped a girl that was passed out at a party and received only probation. More women should train and conceal or open carry. "

How's that going to work? Does she practice drawing during a dream, or stand ready before she passes out?

78 posted on 08/21/2012 5:35:03 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: CondorFlight
3. Rape victims choose abortion at half the rate of the average unplanned pregnancy, which is over 50%. Only 15-25% of rape victims choose abortion, depending on the study. The majority of rape victims choose to raise her child — not “the rapist’s baby” — HER child.

This was a factoid provided by: Rebecca Kiessling, a pro-life attorney from Michigan, [who] fully understands the national debate going on concerning the controversial comments Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin made about abortion and rape. Kiessling was conceived when her mother was victimized by a rapist.

With apologies, I'm not sure who Ethel Waters is.  Did I miss a mention of her in the article?   I'm afraid your point was a little unclear to me as well.

If you'd like to provide more information, I'd be interested in your POV.


















Okay, 93% completed.  Thanks for the help folks.  If you haven't already, please click below and pencil yourself in.


79 posted on 08/21/2012 5:48:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: NYer; tbg681

No reason to punish the baby


80 posted on 08/21/2012 5:50:15 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: editor-surveyor; NYer

What’s then a just penalty, and for whom?


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82 posted on 08/21/2012 5:54:27 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: spunkets
Very young human life includes fresh skin calls after division...

And whose skin cells are those?

The question isn't, "what is human life?" The question is "what is a person?"

According to whom...a bunch of wild-eyed baby-killing packer/muncher partisan hacks?

Personhood is determined by those who have reached the age of reason. ie. adults

Wow, you really think a lot of yourself, sounds like a contrived legal definition which flies in the face of natural law.

There is no baby and you and your cohorts are not the owners of it.

Of course there is and nobody claimed to be the owner of it. But we are devoted to its protection as an individual.

Do you not believe in the B

83 posted on 08/21/2012 5:56:14 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: NYer

Thank you.


84 posted on 08/21/2012 5:56:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: spunkets

You seem to have the position that only your ideas or position matters. A growing majority of adults disagree with you. Thank God, enough babies have been murdered


85 posted on 08/21/2012 5:56:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tanknetter
. . . he claimed a uterus is smart enough to realize that a rape has occurred and will reject the zygote/embryo.

Really? He attributed independent thought to the uterus? Please point me to his words in that regard. Thanks.

86 posted on 08/21/2012 5:57:09 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Kyrie Eleison)
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To: NYer

Thanks for the link.

I’ve bookmarked her page for future reference.


87 posted on 08/21/2012 5:58:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: Sirius Lee

There is certainly nothing wrong with holding that sentiment.

It is up to the victims of rape to make their own decisions however.


88 posted on 08/21/2012 5:59:18 PM PDT by soycd
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To: spunkets

The govt makes all kinds of rules, including those little tags on our pillows. A govt of the people can most certainly decide to outlaw abortin. Ust as it outlaws many other activities.


89 posted on 08/21/2012 6:01:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: glock rocks

Thanks Glock Rocks. I like to mention things that are new to me, thinking perhaps those things may be new to others also, and perhaps they may recognize them as something they missed during the reading.

I appreciate the note of agreement.

That factoid is incredible to me. I have always thought it was a tough call forcing a girl or woman to deliver the fruits of a rape, even if we were talking about a little human being.

Then there’s the mention of the factoid that women who have aborted their fetus conceived by rape, are four times more likely to die in the first year post abortion.

Good grief, these two factoids are devastating to the argument that rape victims should be allowed to abort their fetus.

I’m going to have to keep these things in mind, when folks raise this issue. It’s not information I’ve had in my intellectual arsenal before this.


90 posted on 08/21/2012 6:07:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: spunkets; Eagles6
More women should train and conceal or open carry.

How's that going to work? Does she practice drawing during a dream, or stand ready before she passes out?

Maybe she should never party and get drunk with a bunch of low-life rabid ejaculating animals. That way should she find herself in a dangerous one-on-one situation, she can either ward off or shoot the rapist.

In general, heaven forbid, maybe she should keep her pants on until she gets married.

91 posted on 08/21/2012 6:08:16 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: spunkets

No, obviously. The rapists should have gone to prison for lifeor been executed. The story came to light because the judge stipulated that the young woman not release the names of her rapists, which she did and was threatened with contempt.


92 posted on 08/21/2012 6:08:46 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
K.

Re: It's the owner's decision whether they're wanted and it's also the owner's decision whether or not to leave them hanging there, or to rip up the whole plant and toss it in the compost heap.

" I guess that is an expression of your respect for the value of human life...except tomatoes aren't human"

If tomatoes aren't human, then why did you bring them up and refer to them as were human life?

"And whose skin cells are those?"

Oscar's.

"Do you not believe in the B"

No, just the A.

93 posted on 08/21/2012 6:11:24 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Situational awareness 101.


94 posted on 08/21/2012 6:12:33 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: glock rocks

“It’s hell being born in the 50’s, and having a notion of ‘normal.’”

Yep, remember those old “despicable” shows like “Father Knows Best”, “Leave it to Beaver”, “The Nelsons”, and Lassie? LOL

Even shows like the “Lone Ranger” were instilling a decent values set in children.

And you know what, those shows infuriate some people. I don’t give a damn what color those folks were, they were great shows. I liked Amos and Andy too. Should I be trashing it now because it involved Blacks? Not gonna happen! It was a great slice of life.

I know where you’re coming from. I certainly agree.


95 posted on 08/21/2012 6:12:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: Eagles6
"the judge stipulated that the young woman not release the names of her rapists, which she did and was threatened with contempt."

I'm glad she did that and no one, including the judge challenged her. The judge deserves to be removed and the perps should have received some significant time.

96 posted on 08/21/2012 6:15:12 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: driftdiver
"You seem to have the position that only your ideas or position matters. A growing majority of adults disagree with you. Thank God, enough babies have been murdered",

I'm talking about what is essentially contraception here and in that sphere I know you are incorrect, especially the part about a woman ridding herself of unwanted near embryos and they being considered as "babies" and being "murdered". The same goes for embryos in a petri dish in an fertility clinic; it is not a pool of people.

97 posted on 08/21/2012 6:24:10 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
If tomatoes aren't human, then why did you bring them up and refer to them as were human life?

Well they are a form of life, but according to your logic the tomatoes are not really tomatoes because they are still attached to an umbilical cord. Of course the tomatoes are indisputably tomatoes and alive either way...attached or not.

"And whose skin cells are those?"

Oscar's.

Aaaaaaaa....wrong answer. The cells belong exclusively to the baby, they define its individuality.

You did...take biology in Junior High did you not? Or did you flunk?

98 posted on 08/21/2012 6:26:24 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: spunkets

Killing a baby after it is conceived is not contraception.


99 posted on 08/21/2012 6:28:04 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Outstanding article. This woman is truly doing the Lord’s work here. God bless her for it.


100 posted on 08/21/2012 6:31:42 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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