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Top US General Blasts Ex-Officers for Attacking Obama
AFP ^ | Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Posted on 08/21/2012 4:32:35 PM PDT by kristinn

ABOARD A US MILITARY AIRCRAFT — US military chief General Martin Dempsey denounced ex-officers Tuesday for waging a campaign against President Barack Obama, arguing that soldiers had a duty to stay above the political fray.

Wading into a potential minefield during a hotly contested White House race, Dempsey voiced his disapproval of a group of retired military members and CIA officers who have accused Obama of spilling sensitive national security details to help secure his re-election.

Asked if the group's criticism was valid or useful, Dempsey, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he would not comment on the substance of their allegations.

But he added: "As to the latter, is it useful? No, it's not useful. It's not useful to me."

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To: kristinn

Here's the object of our admiration. 

Ummm, once he's retired and out of uniform, is it OK if I regard him as a communist-@ss kissing POS?  Pretty much the same as I regard Colon Powell and Wessley Clark?

 

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151 posted on 08/21/2012 8:05:07 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom doesn't promise safety and security, freedom only promises freedom.)
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To: kristinn

This general is wrong. It is traditional and historical and legal, that when a person in the military disagrees with a governmental policy or act, that person is supposed to retire and speak out. That is the honorable course. So this political beast wearing a uniform, is playing politics himself- to the disgrace of the country and his uniform.


152 posted on 08/21/2012 8:11:51 PM PDT by fini
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To: kristinn
Dempsey is easily replaceable, the guy is full of himself. Dempsey is really doing a bang up job as well as the rest of the joint chiefs political rectum kissers. Military moral is at a all time low as current operations are futile and wasting resources up the ying-yang.
153 posted on 08/21/2012 8:12:31 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: kristinn
"US military chief General Martin Dempsey denounced ex-officers Tuesday for waging a campaign against President Barack Obama, arguing that soldiers had a duty to stay above the political fray."

If that's the case, why is he even commenting on the issue?

154 posted on 08/21/2012 8:16:39 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: abb

And to that list i add, BushI the carrier pilot, Reagan in the Army reserves from 1937 as a private, then activated and commissioned for WWII made training films, Carter nuclear subs, Ford WWII officer in an escort carrier, Nixon Navy WWII could have avoided service entirely as a bona fide Quaker, JFK PT-boats in combat, Eisenhower, Truman WWI Artillery officer, Hoover wasn’t military but was a mining engineer who worked all over the world in bad conditions, and was eyeballs deep in WWI before and after we got pulled in. McGovern wasnt elected but flew B-24s in the thick of the bombing of Germany, Also MacArthur wasnt elected, but he became political too and was celebrated for it.

The fact is, most presidents have had military backgrouds to one degree or another. And the ones that didnt mostly had backgrounds of extreme accomplishment like Hoover.

Former Officers becoming political is practically a tradition. Marxist moslem presidents are not. And almost all presidents early accomplishments make Obamao look like a joke.


155 posted on 08/21/2012 8:23:06 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Lysandru

Who is this general’s boss?
Oh yeah, Oblameo.
Take it up with your boss, chickenshit!


156 posted on 08/21/2012 8:58:00 PM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight (“Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.")
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To: kristinn

But it was OK when disgruntled ex-Bush officials were going public trashing Bush after they were fired. Colon Bowel (a.k.a. “The Most Interesting Man In The World”) had no problem running his mouth.

The media couldn’t get those eggheads on the 6 o’clock news fast enough. What a crock that was. When was the last time you heard somebody fired from a company say, “Working there was great! Best company ever! Loved every minute! The leadership was top-notch!”


157 posted on 08/21/2012 9:02:15 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: BenLurkin

well played


158 posted on 08/21/2012 9:04:08 PM PDT by Abiotic (The ship of democracy, which has weathered all storms, may sink through the mutiny of those on board)
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To: RoosterRedux

Yup, you don’t get stars by being a rebel and bucking the system. These guys have whored themselves for an entire career, it’s not like they’re going to stop once they’ve got their stars (unless they intentionally get fired like Gen. Patreus).


159 posted on 08/21/2012 9:04:53 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: huldah1776

We have seen this crap before.


160 posted on 08/21/2012 9:09:41 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: kristinn

Dempsey says officers should be above the fray, but here he is in the fray....and he’s active duty, the very time at which they are to be above the fray.

When retired or exited service, they are perfectly free to speak of anything except classified information.


161 posted on 08/21/2012 9:54:01 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: kristinn
My thoughts are....

Hey Dempsey, SFB you're to support & defend the CONSTITUTION not a political party, any real general would know that.

And what "prior" service members (like any American) think & do, are none of your business, its called exercising their "First Amendment Rights"

Punk ass cowards (just like you) are a dime a dozen.... So STFU and continue servicing your master.

Just sayin

162 posted on 08/21/2012 10:41:05 PM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: abb

Just how many former military officers actually did become President?
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You forgot the first one....George Washington; as well as
Eisenhower. Of course there were also military officers who served as President of the Republic of Texas before Texas agreed to join the USA.


163 posted on 08/22/2012 2:39:56 AM PDT by octex
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To: CaptainKrunch
Look at his eyes and mouth. Shades of Bawney Fwank.

NO cheers, unfortunately.

164 posted on 08/22/2012 3:15:01 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: rollo tomasi
Dempsey is easily replaceable, the guy is full of himself.

SOMEBODY obviously considers Gen. Dempsey to be irreplaceable. I was looking at the General's bio and noticed that he served as Army Chief of Staff before being picked to be the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He only served 145 days as Army CoS. Less than 6 months! That's it! I could see giving him a bump if he'd been in the position for a couple of years, but... This suggests that the General has some 'political utility' to the current administration. Probably been carrying the water for the Homo Agenda -- must be the "Rainbow Ribbon".

165 posted on 08/22/2012 3:24:38 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

David Hackworth used to call guys like this the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon


166 posted on 08/22/2012 3:26:51 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: dfwgator

Yes; it’s disturbing how many “delicate doilies” are high ranking in our military.


167 posted on 08/22/2012 3:33:37 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("When America ceases to be good, she'll cease to be great!” - de Tocqueville)
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To: kristinn
Substitute “Marshall Zhukov” for “General Dempsey” and “Comrade Stalin” for “President Obama” and you have a 75 year old story from Pravda.
168 posted on 08/22/2012 4:23:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: kristinn

Dempsey is correct for “ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY PERSONNEL”. When military members are no longer on active duty or have been discharged or retired they have the same rights as any other citizen to voice their political preferences. Reserve and National Guard members not on active duty have the same rights as long as they don’t express them in Military Uniform. The Nation has a long history of Veterans becoming involved in politics and General Dempsey shouldn’t confuse Veterans rights with Active Duty Personnel Restrictions.


169 posted on 08/22/2012 5:10:00 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: kristinn

Your comment was my immediate first thought. My second thought was...and by going public with his denouncement, active-duty Dempsey is doing exactly what he falsely condemns others of doing.


170 posted on 08/22/2012 5:10:36 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: abb

As well as Harrison, McKinley, and Truman ...


171 posted on 08/22/2012 5:15:56 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: Feckless

“Article 88, UCMJ applies to all commissioned officers, even after discharge or retirement”

When Clinton became CoC, my commander told me to mind my P’s & Q’s and not criticize the Draft Dodger while on active duty, citing Article 88. I looked up its history in the Manual for Courts Martial. It dates to 1867 (not 1967 as some thought) and was intended to restrain general officers in the Union Army with presidential ambitions from criticizing the then incumbent President, the very unpopular Andrew Johnson.

I do not believe Article 88 can be practicably applied against retired officers simply because court-martialing a retiree requires bringing him/her back onto active duty for the duration of the trial. This is rarely done and only under charges of extreme moral turpitude or embezzlement.

Years later I got an opinion from the commandant of the U.S. Army JAG School that an active duty service member can indeed criticize the policies of an elected official, even to his face, if there is no personal insult given.

It reminds me of Clinton blustering in 1995 that those flag or general officers who disagreed with his policies vis-a-vis the military “should be willing to come to my office and lay their stars down on the table” by which he meant resign their commissions in protest & forfeit their retirement benefits. A fine lecture in moral courage from a draft dodging coward, by the way.

General Dempsey does himself and his office no service by being seen as a political toady of the White House. He should stick to exercising his duties as Joint Chiefs chairman.


172 posted on 08/22/2012 5:20:38 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: kristinn

Then, General, “sir”, please STFU ‘Sir’!!!!


173 posted on 08/22/2012 6:29:15 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: kristinn

This general is an idiot...and an nobama bootlicker.


174 posted on 08/22/2012 6:31:39 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Tallguy
Lol, my perspective was coming from a rational point of view that best expresses the fact that hundreds of fine soldiers go through the same training/squadron college that this perfume prince went through as well.

I would agree that some PC/Cultural Marxist hack liked this guy as well as the rest of the Joint Political Whores plus the next batch of Generals (Who long ago traded honor for ass kissing and back stabbing) and serves as an invaluable to some point of view. In the end with this current crop of military leaders is that whoever was advising Bush/Congress that promoted these incompetents should be tried for treason. Half /s

175 posted on 08/22/2012 6:54:22 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Tallguy
Invaluable asset, whoops sorry about that.

Btw, these horrible creatures need to be stopped at the 0-6 - 07 level which is why I mentioned the previous administration and Congress.

176 posted on 08/22/2012 6:58:56 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Delhi Rebels

Unless they are “gay”....
Then they can march in uniform in a “pride” parade....
Not political at all, I guess.


177 posted on 08/22/2012 6:59:19 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: kristinn

General “Benedict Arnold” Dempsey can Rot in hell for all I care. These ex-soldiers have every right to denounce the communist scum occupying the White House.


178 posted on 08/22/2012 7:01:51 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: kristinn

I would submit that this comment by the Gen to retired military infringing on their First Amendment rights is more offensive than Akin’s comment...
The Gen should know better.


179 posted on 08/22/2012 7:02:10 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: kristinn

General, unless you press them back into service, you have no say. So, shut yer damned corn-nibbler.


180 posted on 08/22/2012 7:02:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Amen to that...30 yr Navy and can agree with everything you said.


181 posted on 08/22/2012 7:05:10 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: BenLurkin
Tell that to this guy

Or any of these guys (with two notable exceptions). AmPresInUniform

182 posted on 08/22/2012 7:31:12 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (I can haz CW 2 now?)
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To: Drill Thrawl
the last, is a killer (in more ways than one)
...almost didn't recognize him. /s

183 posted on 08/22/2012 7:35:59 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: kristinn

I’ve posted this before but it always makes me smile:

A retired four-star related the story when he discovered he was no longer in the service. He saw a convoy going down the interstate and driving too fast. He pulled up next to the lead vehicle and put his hand out to signal they slow down. The driver of the lead vehicle quickly looked at him and gave him the middle-finger salute. The general said at that moment he realized he has no longer in the service.


184 posted on 08/22/2012 7:38:37 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: kristinn

“stay above the political fray?”

What would the general say his comments are? “Above the political fray?” NOT! Stupidity should hurt.


185 posted on 08/22/2012 7:40:40 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Dogs + stress = If you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and waIlk away.)
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To: kristinn; All

HEY GENERAL DEMPSEY: Bite me; you suck up.


186 posted on 08/22/2012 7:54:22 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: BookaT

Some real whackos attacked him for that. They said an Air Craft Carrier had to turn around to rescue him because of who he was. As if Air Craft Carriers just go on their merry way after flight ops. Bush was picked up by a sub that was On Station to pick up downed fliers as SOP. Geesh, you can learn that from John Wayne films. BTW, the Jap Commander on Kiki Jima had a reputation for cannibalism.


187 posted on 08/22/2012 8:04:20 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: kristinn
The General has things exactly backwards. If anything, veterans have a greater right to express their opinions because they have defended that right, personally, with their service. And they have secured that right for their countryman.

What logic dictates that those who served to protect liberty for all should be denied it for themselves? Good order and discipline rightly require active duty military to not PUBLICALLY enter the political fray; but veterans are an altogether different story.

188 posted on 08/22/2012 8:20:50 AM PDT by In Maryland (Our rights come from nature and God, not government. - Paul Ryan)
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To: kristinn

Exactly. Doing as he was told, being the good little obedient soldier

Just like Colin Powell kept his big mouth shut.


189 posted on 08/22/2012 8:32:47 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Now a Chick-fil-A customer . . . God bless Dan Cathy)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

You can beat your ass that liberal Dempsey was promoted under the liberal Obama. Nothing else needs to be said.


190 posted on 08/22/2012 8:43:56 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: trisham

“My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military”

Smedley Butler, Major General, USM
Winner of two Medals of Honor


191 posted on 08/22/2012 8:47:44 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: tgusa
David Hackworth used to call guys like this the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon

I prefer the moniker REMF. I had the displeasure of working with a fair share of officers who NEVER should have been allowed near soldiers.

I'm not ready to call GEN Dempsey a REMF, but it's getting close.

192 posted on 08/22/2012 9:11:53 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: kristinn

Where was this guy when Gen. Wesley Clark was bashing Bush on every broadcast he could find?

Yeah, thought so.

I have a “suggestion” for him: If you’re only going after someone for bashing Obama, pull up your skirt. Your liberal bias is showing.


193 posted on 08/22/2012 9:40:13 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Behind enemy lines in the city where it's illegal to buy a Big Gulp)
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To: Never on my watch
"So General, why are you getting into the political fray?"

Exactly. He is the only officer that is acting politically. The others are ex officers, allowed to do as they please. The General should be court marshaled for doing exactly what he is accusing the ex officers of doing.

194 posted on 08/22/2012 10:08:21 AM PDT by monday
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To: G Larry
Seems Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower disagrees with your understanding of the First Amendment, sir!

And William Henry Harrison, Ulysses S. Grant, George H.W. Bush, Teddy Roosevelt, Zachary Taylor, Andrew Jackson, Rutherford B. Hayes, James Garfield... Only 12 presidents in our history never served in the military prior to entering politics. Interestingly, that number includes Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Clinton and Obama - 4 of the presidents that have moved us toward socialism the most during their presidencies...

195 posted on 08/22/2012 10:19:27 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: TigersEye
Are these the links to..."In videos aired this month, the group said the Obama administration endangered the United States and the safety of troops by allegedly spilling secrets about operations, including the American raid last year that killed Osama bin Laden." ??
196 posted on 08/22/2012 10:42:04 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Yes, that is pretty much the subject they are about. Check ‘em out.


197 posted on 08/22/2012 10:55:32 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Never on my watch
"So General, why are you getting into the political fray?"

Exactly. He is the only officer that is acting politically. The others are ex officers, allowed to do as they please. The General should be court marshaled for doing exactly what he is accusing the ex officers of doing.

198 posted on 08/22/2012 10:56:18 AM PDT by monday
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To: G Larry
Even the dumbocrats never fielded guys without military experience until Slick Willy. I can hardly imagine what these former soldiers/sailors/airmen would have to say about this asinine statement.

Colonel Harry Truman, USAR
Col Theodore Roosevelt, USA
LCDR Gerald Ford, USN
LCDR Richard Nixon, USN
LCDR Lyndon B Johnson, USN
Cpt Ronald Reagan, USA
Lt. John F Kennedy, USN
Lt. George W. Bush
Lt. (JG) George H.W. Bush, USN
Lt. Jimmy Carter, USN
199 posted on 08/22/2012 11:06:44 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: Drill Thrawl; kristinn

Snorted soda thru my nose when I saw your picture/poster, LOL. Ironic that militants hit the general’s airplane on the ground yesterday, isn’t it :-)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/afghan-militants-hit-gen-martin-dempseys-plane/story?id=17046984

I think we civilians should be contacting the joint chiefs of staff to express our dismay that the Chairman is so totally ignorant of the US Constitution. Anyone have contact info?


200 posted on 08/22/2012 11:52:21 AM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (everything written by me on FR is my personal opinion & does not represent my employer)
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