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How Pussy Riot Bamboozled the Media
Townhall.com ^ | August 22, 2012 | Rachel Marsden

Posted on 08/22/2012 4:31:56 AM PDT by Kaslin

If Justin Bieber or the Rolling Stones suddenly decided to stage an impromptu concert in a public place somewhere in America without a permit, would the authorities ignore it and shrug it off? Doubtful. Even buskers performing in the New York City subway system can't play without formal authorization from the city.

What about taking such a musical performance into a church? If Jennifer Lopez or Madonna just showed up in a place of worship, stripped down to their skivvies and started dancing around the altar, would that fly in any Western democracy? Not likely.

So why, then, are three young women in Russia getting so much sympathy from the mainstream media for doing precisely this inside a Russian Orthodox church?

Last week, three members of the activist group Pussy Riot were each sentenced to two years in prison for hooliganism motivated by religious hatred. The group's members are part of a larger protest group called Voina, which has previously been involved in various acts of public nuisance, including group sex in a museum and shoplifting a whole chicken from a supermarket by stuffing into an activist's lady parts.

Voina and Pussy Riot are the Russian version of the Occupy Wall Street protest crowd. Their modus operandi is to use "art" in its various forms as a cover for acting like jerks and flaunting police warnings. They exploit the sentiment that artists worldwide generally should be given more behavioral license than the general public because they've historically pushed the boundaries of free expression.

One would hope that the public is able to tell the difference between Pussy Riot and, say, Voltaire -- who was thrown into a French prison for criticizing government and the Catholic Church in his extensive body of writing. Voltaire's career was writing, while Pussy Riot's entire career consists of hooliganism with a sprinkling of poor-quality "music" thrown in. Voltaire published several novels, plays, poems and essays, and in doing so, just happened to tick off the powers that be. Pussy Riot hasn't even recorded an album. Their credibility as artists is poorly established, unlike their activist background.

Boiled down, the Pussy Riot case is just another example of the social media generation's demand for instant gratification and attention in the absence of any sustained hard work. The protesters chose the shallowest form of subversion possible, their rationale apparently being that by doing a lewd can-can-girl number in a church, they can successfully overturn the government of a G8 country. That's some serious stoner logic.

The longer game of subversion would have required them to spend years working to get into a key position within the power structure, then influencing and subverting the system to change what they don't like. The effects of such an effort would have been more organic, credible and durable.

Or, at the very least, they could have practiced for several years to hone their "art" in the event that they were serious about being artists and not just serious about being hooligans. That's why Madonna can say all sorts of nonsense from a concert stage and constantly push the boundaries of free speech without getting arrested -- because she's actually earned the "artist" label and the leeway society affords it.

Somehow Russian President Vladimir Putin has been dragged into all this, presumably because this story is sexier with a Bond villain -- and because it's always preferable to hold someone else responsible for one's own bad behavior. Pussy Riot supporters claim that Putin has the long knives out for the band because they mentioned him in a song. The idea of Putin sitting around blubbering over being badmouthed by some girls in a YouTube video certainly undermines any evil image. The smearing of Putin as hypersensitive and vindictive would have been more credible had they intelligently addressed Putin's policies without breaking any laws, or associated themselves with a larger group of activists known for flaunting it relentlessly and treating it as a joke. Pussy Riot didn't keep its powder dry.

It's not as if Putin just invented the Russian law against hooliganism. The penalty of up to seven years in prison wasn't concocted especially for Pussy Riot. In fact, the same crime of religious hooliganism in Germany carries a maximum penalty of three years imprisonment -- a year more than the sentence Pussy Riot members received.

The Western media should save its tears for those who truly deserve them.


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To: dirtboy
The last time we pretended European fascism wasn't our business, we ended up in a pretty big war defeating such.

I'm invoking Godwin's Law here.

Last time I checked, Hitler didn't jail people or vandalizing religious buildings. His guys were the ones doing the vandalizing. Think about it.
51 posted on 08/22/2012 9:06:27 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Buckhead
I cannot believe the endorsements of locking them up I am reading on this page on a website that is supposedly populated by people who hold political liberty and free expression dear to their hearts. It is just stunning.

I think a lot of folks are seeing this through the filter of OWS and/or left-wing affronts against Christianity in this country. And that, IMO, is a mistake. The Russian Orthodox Church is in bed with the fascist Putin, as opposed to, say, the Catholic Church which is fighting Obama's own attempts at fascism when it comes to forced insurance coverage of contraception. And instead of demanding free stuff like OWS, Pussy Riot was protesting real fascism and political repression.

52 posted on 08/22/2012 9:07:10 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Buckhead
They are Russian dissident intellectuals with a direct lineage to Soviet Refuseniks.

Really? Did Soviet Refuseniks jam chickens up their hidey-holes, have group-sex in museums and desecrate churches? I don't remember hearing that.

If this is what "dissent against tyranny" looks like, count me out.
53 posted on 08/22/2012 9:09:27 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Antoninus
Hitler didn't jail people for vandalizing religious buildings.

Good point.

54 posted on 08/22/2012 9:10:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall.)
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To: Antoninus
Last time I checked, Hitler didn't jail people or vandalizing religious buildings. His guys were the ones doing the vandalizing. Think about it.

Man, you just don't want to get it. You look at Pussy Riot and all you see is OWS, instead of a protest against fascism and an unholy alliance between Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church.

If we had such a situation in this country, would you applaud if a left-winger stood up to such fascism and got jailed for two years, just because you disagree with his politics?

55 posted on 08/22/2012 9:11:02 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Antoninus
If this is what "dissent against tyranny" looks like, count me out.

I already have. Apparently fascism is OK with you as long as the right people get jailed.

56 posted on 08/22/2012 9:12:04 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Antoninus
What are they advocating for, anyway? Free birth control? Free abortions? Sodomy rights?

Maybe you should read their court statements instead of just pretending they are an OWS offshoot.

57 posted on 08/22/2012 9:13:50 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy; Antoninus
OK, what if an American denomination was deeply in bed with the Obama Administration in a hypothetical Obama second term and approved of Obama Administration crackdowns on dissent.

If someone jumped into a Reform Jewish synagogue and did what PR did in the Church in Moscow, then yes they should have the law against them. The question is what law -- in Russia there has been a law against disrespect to the Churches and that's what was used against PR, not some new random judgement.

58 posted on 08/22/2012 9:15:52 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: dirtboy
Man, you just don't want to get it. You look at Pussy Riot and all you see is OWS, instead of a protest against fascism and an unholy alliance between Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church.

No. I see a bunch of skanks vandalizing a church to make some political point. If that's your way of protesting an autocratic government, you need to reassess your methods because people like me will NEVER accept it. And it makes Putin look like the good guy for cracking down on this cr@p.
59 posted on 08/22/2012 9:16:17 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: dirtboy; Antoninus
BTW, we don't have 'legitimate' in the First Amendment over here.

And what happened was in Russia, not in the USA.

you are jumping from topic to topic, first linking PussyRiot as a voice of the Russian opposition, then when being pointed out that they are NOT the voice of the opposition, you go in a tangent

on the contrary Pussy Riot is disruptive to the anti-Putin crowd, making it easy to label all opposition as somehow this kind of crowd that wants to destroy Russian culture. If you want to say PR is the voice of the anti-Putin opposition then you are supporting Putin and his point of view

60 posted on 08/22/2012 9:18:33 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Antoninus
No. I see a bunch of skanks vandalizing a church to make some political point.

Once again, you only see this through the filter of OWS instead of the situation in Russia. The two are not the same. Russia is facing actual repression of political views. And the Church is in bed with the fascists.

61 posted on 08/22/2012 9:20:02 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Buckhead
Putin’s government is a corrupt gangster government that murders its opponents with complete impunity and does everything possible to thwart US interests around the world. These women have lost their liberty by protesting it through artistic expression. But here is this column, and here are people on this board actually taking Putin’s side in the controversy.

I've been in touch with a few Russians inside Russia via facebook. One is stridently defensive of Putin, pointing to his pretty pro-capitalism, pro-freedom essays.

Okay, it's easy to write one way but live another, right?

Anyways, I don't view Putin as trying to take Russia back to Communism. I view Putin as taking Russia back to Tsarism, with Putin as the Tsar.

62 posted on 08/22/2012 9:20:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: dirtboy
Maybe you should read their court statements instead of just pretending they are an OWS offshoot.

Gee, a bunch of hooligans using their trial as a venue to spout intellectual excuses for their crime? That's never been done before.

I don't care what their court statements are. Their actions were vile and deserving of punishment.
63 posted on 08/22/2012 9:20:37 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: driftless2

“I don’t have a lot of sympathy for groups who protest in churches. I don’t care much for PR’s “music” (I’ve never heard it anyway), I’m just think two years in jail for pulling a stupid stunt where nothing was damaged is a tad harsh. I wouldn’t like it if Dem protesters invaded the Republican convention to stage a protest, but I wouldn’t advocate two years in prison as a punishment. Three months of picking up litter or something like that would be a proper punishment.”


What do you think are the chances it will be done again?

Play your stupid game, here’s your stupid prize.


64 posted on 08/22/2012 9:22:07 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: Buckhead
These women are not airheads. They are Russian dissident intellectuals with a direct lineage to Soviet Refuseniks.

Down to the sex in public, down to a showing of them portraying the anti-Putin opposition as a bunch of anarchic barbarians? If anything they are destroying the anti-Putin movement by giving putie proof that "see, these are my opposition, they act like scum, do you want to vote for them?"

65 posted on 08/22/2012 9:22:07 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Antoninus
Their actions were vile and deserving of punishment.

So fascism is fine and dandy with you as long as the other side that you disagree with goes to jail.

I guess it doesn't occur to you that sooner or later, someone will disagree with YOU and want to use that same power against your political point of view.

66 posted on 08/22/2012 9:23:18 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Cronos
on the contrary Pussy Riot is disruptive to the anti-Putin crowd, making it easy to label all opposition as somehow this kind of crowd that wants to destroy Russian culture. If you want to say PR is the voice of the anti-Putin opposition then you are supporting Putin and his point of view

That's exactly how I see this. If you want sympathy for your point of view, don't act like loathsome western pop-stars when making your political statements.
67 posted on 08/22/2012 9:24:25 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Cronos
you are jumping from topic to topic, first linking PussyRiot as a voice of the Russian opposition, then when being pointed out that they are NOT the voice of the opposition, you go in a tangent

I am going in no such tanget. Garry Kasparov, who puts his butt on the line for political rights in Russia, has declared PR to be political prisoners. Which they are.

Too many people are OK with people they strongly disagree with being persecuted for their views, failing to realize that the persecution never stops there.

68 posted on 08/22/2012 9:26:38 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Antoninus
If you want sympathy for your point of view, don't act like loathsome western pop-stars when making your political statements.

If you want to not be persecuted for your point of view, you need to stand up when someone else is being persecuted for theirs. I'm sure a lot of folks in colonial America didn't think much of throwing tea in Boston Harbor, either. That was actually destruction of property.

69 posted on 08/22/2012 9:29:58 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
So fascism is fine and dandy with you as long as the other side that you disagree with goes to jail.

LOL. Keep arguing against that straw man. If these women had legally protested Putin and were jailed, I'd be on your side. But no, they had to break the law, act like skanks and desecrate a church. I have no patience for that. In fact, you seem to be arguing that they should get special treatment because they claim to be political dissenters. If it was just some unknown druggie who vandalized this church, do you think he would have gotten off with a lesser sentence in Putin's Russia? I don't.
70 posted on 08/22/2012 9:36:54 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Antoninus
If these women had legally protested Putin and were jailed, I'd be on your side.

Uh, dude, in case you've failed to follow the recent news out of Russia, there is no such thing as a legal means to protest him.

But no, they had to break the law, act like skanks and desecrate a church. I have no patience for that.

This is the nature of the church in question:

That Christ the Savior Cathedral had become a significant symbol in the political strategy of the authorities was clear to many thinking people when Vladimir Putin’s former [KGB] colleague Kirill Gundyayev took over as leader of the Russian Orthodox Church. After this happened, Christ the Savior Cathedral began to be openly used as a flashy backdrop for the politics of the security forces, which are the main source of political power in Russia.

So if there was a state church in the US and Obama appointed Eric Holder as its head, and that church openly promoted Obama's fascism, would you be so willing to defend it from protests?

71 posted on 08/22/2012 9:42:05 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dfwgator
What happens in Russia is their own business, as long as they are not trying to expand their empire like the Soviets did.

Is that your opinion when Christians are being assaulted & killed in other countries by Muslims, sometimes with cooperation of the government?

72 posted on 08/22/2012 9:42:30 AM PDT by gdani
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To: dirtboy
If you want to not be persecuted for your point of view, you need to stand up when someone else is being persecuted for theirs.

Really? I need to stand up for hedonists who desecrate churches?

Sorry. Not interested.
73 posted on 08/22/2012 9:43:15 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: dirtboy
Kasparov is apparently a Bilderberger

Interesting. I'm not a big believer in these New World Order conspiracy theories, but one has to wonder when you see stuff like this.
74 posted on 08/22/2012 9:47:52 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: dirtboy
Russia is facing actual repression of political views. And the Church is in bed with the fascists.

Isn't it ironic that many of the same people who have no trouble calling Obama a dictator, etc have no problem being apologists for Putin?

Obama, reprehensible as he is, can't hold a candle to Putin in the dictator department.

75 posted on 08/22/2012 9:49:55 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Antoninus; dirtboy

If you want to define church as a pro-commie,KGB sanctioned institution then yes they desecrated a church. I think Pussy Riot should be applauded for their courageous stand for freedom and exposing this “church” and for the sham that it is.


76 posted on 08/22/2012 9:51:08 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: dirtboy
So if there was a state church in the US and Obama appointed Eric Holder as its head, and that church openly promoted Obama's fascism, would you be so willing to defend it from protests?

Obama lives in the White House. If a bunch of hedonistic skanks broke in and vandalized the White House, showing utter contempt for America in the process, I would oppose such acts as moronic and a detriment to the anti-Obama cause.

How is this so hard to understand?
77 posted on 08/22/2012 9:51:37 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Antoninus
Really? I need to stand up for hedonists who desecrate churches?

The Russian Orthodox Church desecrated itself by allowing a Putin toady to be appointed its head. Nothing Pussy Riot could do could possibly sully that church any worse.

You are more concerned with the antics of leftist protestors than the abuse of state power to curb dissent.

78 posted on 08/22/2012 9:52:58 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Antoninus
Obama lives in the White House. If a bunch of hedonistic skanks broke in and vandalized the White House, showing utter contempt for America in the process, I would oppose such acts as moronic and a detriment to the anti-Obama cause.

Now, what if Obama declared himself to be dictator for life and used the White House as a center for cracking down on freedoms in this country? What shows more contempt for America in that case? Hedonistic skanks or the fascist with the power to end our liberties?

79 posted on 08/22/2012 9:55:04 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Blackirish
If you want to define church as a pro-commie,KGB sanctioned institution then yes they desecrated a church.

People are looking at this through their own filters of what is happening in America. They would be really P.O.'d if OWS barged into their Sunday services and trampled on the alter, and I would agree with them.P>But in Russia, the church has become a vassal of the fascist state. Pussy Riot had bona fide reasons to be protesting both Putin and the Orthodox Church. Whether or not we agree with their methods, they did bring attention to what Putin is doing to political dissent in his country - and they are paying with such with jail time.

And last I checked, we are political dissenters in our country, and many on the left think we should be locked up and persecuted.

80 posted on 08/22/2012 10:08:21 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
You are more concerned with the antics of leftist protestors than the abuse of state power to curb dissent.

Here's what they did: Pussy Riot gig at Christ the Savior Cathedral

Now explain to me how you think this moronic proceeding does anything to help the anti-Putin cause anywhere except among the wealthy hedonists in the West? That's who this was meant for. If people on my side of any issue did something like this, I would denounce them in no uncertain terms. It's despicable.
81 posted on 08/22/2012 10:09:50 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Antoninus
Now explain to me how you think this moronic proceeding does anything to help the anti-Putin cause anywhere except among the wealthy hedonists in the West? That's who this was meant for. If people on my side of any issue did something like this, I would denounce them in no uncertain terms. It's despicable.

You keep assiduously avoiding the issue that a Putin KGB associate was placed as the head of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Church has become a mouthpiece for Putin's fascism.

I'm Episcopal. If that Church were named as the state church and Eric Holder were put in charge, and it aided and abetted an Obama crackdown on political liberties, I would approve doing far worse to that church than Pussy Riot did in that video. You act like the Russian Orthodox Church is a true Christian church now instead of an organ of a fascist state. I'm sure there are millions of good Christians who worship with the church. But the very institution has been corrupted to its core.

82 posted on 08/22/2012 10:18:00 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Antoninus
If people on my side of any issue did something like this, I would denounce them in no uncertain terms. It's despicable.

I was going to say that, but while I was sorting laundry, you said it. It's not "viewpoint discrimination," but consequences for actions.

83 posted on 08/22/2012 10:22:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall.)
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To: Tax-chick
It's not "viewpoint discrimination," but consequences for actions.

I guess those guys who threw tea into Boston Harbor were wrong also, then, in destroying property to stand up to tyranny.

84 posted on 08/22/2012 10:28:28 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
You act like the Russian Orthodox Church is a true Christian church now instead of an organ of a fascist state. I'm sure there are millions of good Christians who worship with the church. But the very institution has been corrupted to its core.

Really? Boy, they've sure got the Pope fooled.

Pope welcomes Russian Orthodox-Polish Catholic pledge of reconciliation
85 posted on 08/22/2012 10:33:48 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Kaslin

This writer is exactly right. These “girls” and their boyfriends/husbands had been creating a lot of mischief (to put it politely). And Putin had little to do with the case - he even called for leniency, as did the Russian Orthodox Church. The “girls” were facing a maximum seven years in prison; the prosecutor asked for three years; and they were sentenced to just two. They seem to be enjoying their worldwide fame.


86 posted on 08/22/2012 10:36:06 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Antoninus

“I don’t care what their court statements are. Their actions were vile and deserving of punishment. “

Well, at least we have established that your strutting, preening know-nothing ignorance is beyond remedy.


87 posted on 08/22/2012 10:39:54 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Antoninus
Really? Boy, they've sure got the Pope fooled.

The Pope is looking at the issues of reconciling the Catholic and Orthodox churches, not making a statement about Putin's placing a KGB toady in charge. What would YOU think if Obama could put one of his henchmen in charge of your church?

You continually avoid the issue of the ROC's role in promoting Putin's fascism. And that is far more dangerous than three liberal twits putting on a protest that offends your sensibilities. Tyranny offends mine.

88 posted on 08/22/2012 10:41:44 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Antoninus
Really? Boy, they've sure got the Pope fooled.

The Pope is looking at the issues of reconciling the Catholic and Orthodox churches, not making a statement about Putin's placing a KGB toady in charge. What would YOU think if Obama could put one of his henchmen in charge of your church?

You continually avoid the issue of the ROC's role in promoting Putin's fascism. And that is far more dangerous than three liberal twits putting on a protest that offends your sensibilities. Tyranny offends mine.

89 posted on 08/22/2012 10:42:48 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Buckhead
Well, at least we have established that your strutting, preening know-nothing ignorance is beyond remedy.

Resorting to ad hominems is a sure sign that you have lost the argument. I accept your surrender.
90 posted on 08/22/2012 10:45:35 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Honorary Serb; wildandcrazyrussian

FYI ping. There is a discussion here about Putin.


91 posted on 08/22/2012 10:49:12 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: dirtboy
The Pope is looking at the issues of reconciling the Catholic and Orthodox churches, not making a statement about Putin's placing a KGB toady in charge.

You said that the Russian Orthodox Church was not a true Christian Church. If that's the case, then why is the Pope hailing a possible reconciliation? Seems to me that he thinks it's a Christian Church.
92 posted on 08/22/2012 10:49:45 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: BlueDragon
By Jove, I think you've got it. More than a year is for felonies only, at least here. The charge didn't fit very well the crime.

Indeed, they were charged with felony-level hooliganism.

The courts are one way to suppress politically-inconvenient critics. Just look at the recent cases of Max Abramson and Ademo Freeman.

Max is a town councellor who's an outspoken critic of the corrupt and self-dealing Seabrook, NH police department, and they railroaded him on felony reckless conduct for firing a gun into the ground next to his feet in order to break up a bloody drunken brawl among miscreant, known-criminal acquaintances of his roommate.

Ademo Freeman, who reports for CopBlock.org, just got railroaded on felony wiretapping for recording phone interviews with the police department and the school principal after a cop was caught on tape slamming a student's head into a table.

If you piss off people who have control of the justice system, you can't expect justice from the system. This case in Russia is just another example.

93 posted on 08/22/2012 10:49:52 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: dirtboy

American-style democracy is not for everyone, especially Russia, where the people are not conditioned to handle it.


94 posted on 08/22/2012 10:55:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Antoninus

During WWII, the Russian Orthodox Church was accused of cooperating with the Nazi Occupiers....however it should be pointed out, that the Nazis actually treated the ROC with a heck of a lot more respect than Stalin did. The ROC does what it has to do to survive, and sometimes that means making deals with the Devil.


95 posted on 08/22/2012 10:57:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Antoninus
Go ahead. Ignore the 800 pound gorilla and its 600 pound sidekick by pretending they're just cute monkeys.

I will call them what they are - fascistic.

Toodles, life is too short to waste with apologists for such.

96 posted on 08/22/2012 10:57:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Antoninus

You have proudly and defiantly refused to consider the court statements, and reveled in your ignorance of the cultural, intellectual, religious and political context and meaning of their acts and statements. To the aid and comfort of corrupt fascist gangsters.

If you think that’s winning the argument, then I heartily congratulate you on your victory.


97 posted on 08/22/2012 10:57:55 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: gdani
Is that your opinion when Christians are being assaulted & killed in other countries by Muslims, sometimes with cooperation of the government?

What would you propose doing to stop it?

And if anything, China is a heck of a lot worse than Russia.

98 posted on 08/22/2012 10:59:46 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Buckhead

Thank you for posting the statements by Pussy Riot. Exceptional.

I highly recommend they be read.


99 posted on 08/22/2012 11:01:08 AM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: Antoninus

They crossed a very serious line by doing what they did in a church. This made them, without their realizing it probably, the sharp tip of the sword against Christians that is scandalizing the world.

The fact that we don’t like Putin and his treatment of dissidents is almost irrelevant here, except that it has confused the issue enormously.

Does anyone remember the “abomination of desolation standing where it ought not”?


100 posted on 08/22/2012 11:08:52 AM PDT by firebrand
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