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ACT data: 31 percent of (Illinois) state's Class of '12 not college-ready
Chicago Tribune ^ | August 22, 2012 | Diane Rado

Posted on 08/22/2012 8:47:23 AM PDT by Zakeet

Almost a third of Illinois' high school Class of 2012 scored too low on the ACT college-entrance exam to be considered ready for key college classes, according to data released Wednesday.

Despite some improvements, the results were troubling to some educators, while others considered the information a flawed method for judging how well students will fare if they go to college.

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Former state schools Superintendent Glenn "Max" McGee, now president of the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy in Aurora, is troubled by the low college-readiness figures, particularly in science and math. Only 30 percent of Illinois' 2012 graduates met ACTs college-ready score of 24 in science, the lowest of all subject areas tested. Nationwide, the figure was 31 percent.

"We are so focused on meeting minimal standards and teaching what I call school science versus real science, that we are doing our students by and large a disservice. We are not creating the conditions where they can succeed in science exploration," McGee said.

He is critical of what he considers "low-level" questions on state exams in Illinois, such as "name the parts of a microscope," or asking students "about reading a table but not about the science in the table."

The danger is that students will lose out on science and technology jobs of the future if they don't acquire a deeper knowledge and understanding of science and math, McGee said.

Overall, Illinois students, as well as students around the country, scored best in English, followed by reading, math and science. The new data also show continued gaps in performance between white and minority students. In Illinois, for example, only 7 percent of black students met the college-ready standard in science. That compares with 41 percent of white students.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: act; education; illinois

Karen Lewis: This is all the fault of you Right Wing Nuts because you won't give my Chicago Teachers Union members enough money ... and time off ... and assistants ... and computers ... and assistants ... and guards ... to really teach!

1 posted on 08/22/2012 8:47:35 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

the results were troubling to some educators!


2 posted on 08/22/2012 8:49:29 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Common sense although common knowledge is seldom common practice.)
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To: Zakeet
"while others considered the information a flawed method for judging how well students will fare if they go to college."

"While others considered the information specifically designed for judging how well students will fare if they go to college a flawed method for judging how well students will fare if they go to college."

3 posted on 08/22/2012 8:50:35 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("So, a Mormon and a Catholic walk onto an aircraft carrier...")
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4 posted on 08/22/2012 8:51:06 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Zakeet

Illinois needs to raise the salaries and benefits for the great teachers. They have prepared a good crop of parasitic Rat voters.


5 posted on 08/22/2012 8:51:40 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Zakeet

A worthwhile college education should not be for EVERYBODY, nor should the qualifications for such assume all high school graduates should meet college requirements. It is a difficult thing to accept sometimes, but not all of us are gifted, nor are we all entitled to an education beyond that required to function normally (i.e., not exceptionally). IOW, parents all of your kids aren’t geniuses, and some of them would best meet life just serving fries or pumping gas.


6 posted on 08/22/2012 8:52:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Zakeet

Just saw this article about the local PRIVATE Illinois high school who had a student score a perfect 36 on the ACT. They also had a few 35s.

http://www.wheatonacademy.org/RelId/658914/ISvars/default/Class_of_2012_student_receives_perfect_ACT_score%3b_National_Merit_Awards.htm


7 posted on 08/22/2012 8:52:51 AM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: Zakeet

8 posted on 08/22/2012 8:54:08 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: Zakeet

31% of college prep students or the student population as a whole? The former would be troubling, the latter not so much EXCEPT that the universe of unskilled jobs is shrinking at an alarming rate.


9 posted on 08/22/2012 8:54:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tantaros: "Plainly put, Romney and Ryan can't push granny off the cliff. Obama beat them to it.")
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To: Zakeet

Did you hear that Kim Kardashian is dating Kanye West?

Let’s focus on important things!!


10 posted on 08/22/2012 8:57:38 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Zakeet

And given 75% shouldn’t go to college anyway, I am actually not troubled that only 31% aren’t ready.


11 posted on 08/22/2012 9:00:34 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: NonValueAdded

The skilled jobs are sinking, and have been especially since 2008, faster than that.

McDonald’s is doing business, probably because of the dollar menu.


12 posted on 08/22/2012 9:01:39 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Zakeet
Almost a third of Illinois' high school Class of 2012 scored too low on the ACT college-entrance exam to be considered ready for key college classes, according to data released Wednesday.

And the writer of that sentence probably didn't score too well, either. Unless things have changed drastically, only those who intend to apply to colleges take the ACT or SAT exams. So, if a third of those who took the ACT are not ready for college, and still only something over one-half take the exam, then only about 1/3 of the total class of 2012 is ready for college work, or about 2/3 of those who did take the exam.

13 posted on 08/22/2012 9:02:34 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Gaffer

I used to think everyone (well, most everyone) should, if they wanted to, go to college. Then I taught high school and it was an eye opener. Of course I also had gone back to college several times (once to finish my degree and then a third time to get a teaching certificate) and it made me also realize that college doesn’t really prepare you for a “job”. At least most college degree plans don’t.

I am a proponent of our schools (I’m not going to get into home schooling, which I support, but realize most parents will not do) having some sort of vocational education starting after middle school that would give kids who were interested some sort of job prep and certification (or at least the ability to go onto further training for things that might take longer) for real careers. We NEED people who can be plumbers and mechanics and even nail techs and hair dressers and on and on.
Of course I still think for the kids who want to go on to college, college prep classes are great. This would have the added benefit of getting the kids who are not interested in the more advanced classes out so they are not disrupting those who are.
And make the prereq for all of this an ability to do basic math and reading. Of course, this should be at the state level as I think the Federal govt should keep their noses out of it.


14 posted on 08/22/2012 9:05:31 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Zakeet

Intelligence is biology and biology is destiny.


15 posted on 08/22/2012 9:10:56 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Zakeet

Article states that nationwide only 31% can pass a science test, a subject that is measurable and not subject to touchy-feelly interpretation.

We pay the education industry to take students from point A to point B and they are getting LESS THAN A THIRD to their destination.

Now imagine if the airlines had the same record. Congress, especially the left, would be up in arms against those profiteering private companies.

Where is the outrage? Where are the calls to shut down these schools and take away their access to taxpayer funds? Crickets...


16 posted on 08/22/2012 9:13:01 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: Zakeet
Yeah, more money - that's what incompetent teachers’ union members need... more taxpayer dollars.
17 posted on 08/22/2012 9:15:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: Zakeet

Personally, I think if 69% of graduating highschoolers are college ready, college standards are too low.


18 posted on 08/22/2012 9:22:15 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Will88

:: Unless things have changed drastically, only those who intend to apply to colleges take the ACT or SAT exams. ::

Things have changed drastically, Will. The Board Exams are offered a preparatory class on the High School’s class schedule. Students receive HS credit regardless of score. There are some schools (in MI) that offer HS credit for middle-school students to take the “early version” (my daughter scored a 24 in her 8th grade year).

When I took the ACT, perfect was 32. Prior to that, perfect was 28 (my sister scored a 27!)


19 posted on 08/22/2012 9:27:35 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: anonsquared; All
Article states that nationwide only 31% can pass a science test, a subject that is measurable and not subject to touchy-feelly interpretation.

Even worse, science taught in schools these days consists largely of ecology, space exploration and evolutionary biology. Useful subjects like chemistry and physics are largely ignored.

In fact, the majority of the youngsters I've talked to have no idea how electricity is generated, how internal combustion engines work, or how a lever can help move a heavy object.

This is indeed tragic.

20 posted on 08/22/2012 9:31:41 AM PDT by Zakeet (A good politician is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar - H. L. Mencken)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Not college ready, but are they democrat party/welfare ready?

What else counts?


21 posted on 08/22/2012 9:34:33 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Zakeet

HA!

Neither are 80% of IL politicians!


22 posted on 08/22/2012 9:58:28 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: Zakeet

If this is 30% of all students then who cares? Since when should all graduating high school students attend college? Most colleges have watered down their reputations to bring in more students for their money.

If colleges actually educated their students those same students would realize they were “had” and lynch the college administration.


23 posted on 08/22/2012 10:04:35 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Zakeet

The comments on this thread are extremely disappointing. The failure of America’s education system is a major scandal and is already impacting our economy and potentially our national defense. And most Freepers are just as OK with that as is the teachers union.


24 posted on 08/22/2012 10:21:01 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Zakeet

Let’s see. My guess is that if you add up the Chicago school system and East St. Louis that probably gets you to the 31%.


25 posted on 08/22/2012 10:43:04 AM PDT by technically right
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To: Will88

All high school juniors in Illinois, not just those intending to go to college, take the ACT as part of the Prairie State Achievement Exam.


26 posted on 08/22/2012 11:06:06 AM PDT by crescentbeach
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To: Zakeet
only 7 percent of black students met the college-ready standard in science

Hell, I'm surprised the figure was that high!

27 posted on 08/22/2012 1:12:41 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Thursday, August 23, 2012
Will County to declare independence from Cook County Democrats
The Will County Republican Party, Tea Party activists, elected Will County leaders, and concerned citizens say they will be rallying at the Will County Courthouse September 10, 2012 to protest “the Balkanization of Will County citizens by Cook County Democrats.”

Will County Republican Chairman Ed Ronkowski said, “With redistricting, the Chicago Machine has sliced Will County into six pieces, half of which belong to Chicago Democrats. Will County Democrats stood by silently and allowed this to happen, essentially turning Will County into “Will Colony.” On September 10th, we will declare our independence.”

Republicans in Will County are staging an active campaign to elect a conservative Republican for county chairman along with county officials and county board members. The area Tea Party movement is promoting conservative policies in the county by working within the Republican Party.

More to come ...

http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2012/08/will-county-1.html


28 posted on 08/23/2012 8:30:09 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo; chicagolady; Condor51

Ha! Fight the Combine!

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I’ll be changing my FR page by EOYear.


29 posted on 08/23/2012 5:21:30 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Dang Cletus, you'll be missed :-(
Stop by the IL Board every now and then and say; 'Howdy'

ps: Sure don't blame you though. I'd be in Montana or Wyoming pdq if I could. (can't take the Texas heat)

30 posted on 08/24/2012 4:00:28 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Zakeet
'Educators' need to get their heads out of their butts. Not every kid is suited for college.

They should also get back to basics and bring back those 'dumb shop classes' like Wood Shop, Print Shop, Electric Shop, Auto Shop, and Mechanical Drawing (Drafting) - now called CAD. And also those 'evil, segregated', Technical Schools that were all boys.

Some of Chicago's finest Mechanical Engineers came out of the North side's 'Lane Tech' (the B@$tards also had a kick@ss football team). And every Engineering Dept in Chi was filled with Draftsman who took 'Drafting' as a Major in the Chicago High Schools or was from a 'Tech School'. And some of them went on to become 'Practical Engineers' by good old fashioned 'OJT' and book reading on their own time.

Chicago also had all boys Tilden Tech east of the Stockyards (Johnny 'Red' Kerr, an Alum) and CVS on the far south side which produced Dick Butkus and a gazillion other football players (I'm sure many in Tech Trades too).

Granted I'm a dinosaur and when I was a SR we had an option on the day ACT (or SAT?) was taken. Take the U.S. Air Force test instead. Oh, there wasn't any Teacher Union I'm aware of either then, and I had great teachers who taught us how to learn. (1)

(1) Which I took advantage of my entire career, learn one new thing each day.

31 posted on 08/24/2012 4:38:36 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Great!

Wish I could do that.


32 posted on 08/24/2012 6:12:01 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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