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Will Dumping Math Requirements Increase College Grad Rates? / worthless college degrees
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Posted on 08/23/2012 5:31:40 PM PDT by wintertime

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To: wintertime
Will Dumping Math Requirements Increase College Grad Rates?

A better question might be "Will Increased College Grad Rates Mean More Educated Grads?"
101 posted on 08/24/2012 8:43:03 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: netmilsmom; wintertime
Choice is what’s important and they are seeing that those homeschoolers are not the enemy.

I only see the HATERS (Those who live to revile, disparage and attack, rather than to improve and build) and hypocrites as the "enemy".

From my first appearance I have been attacked and had my profession malagined by people that have never been inside my classroom or know me personally. These attacks have come from a number of parties, with one person in particular who always (read as ALWAYS) uses bullying tactics and then accuses others when they defend themselves.

102 posted on 08/24/2012 8:56:17 AM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: verga

>>From my first appearance I have been attacked and had my profession malagined by people that have never been inside my classroom or know me personally. <<

Goodness! Didn’t you get the warning from other FReepers? The first day I was here, I had three FReepers tell me to get my flame suit on. Before I even knew what that was!

It’s an internet forum. You’re gonna get flamed. As an attachment mom, as a Catholic, or as someone who has been ABO, I can’t tell you the amount of posts that have been personal and nasty. As Andrew Breitbart said, “So?”

Your reaction is what counts. Present the facts and move on. And seriously, if you are using “your profession” and “your classroom” as the example for how wonderful the Public Schools are, you are ignoring the bigger picture. People are ticked that we are paying more and more for a product that is giving less and less quality. I worked in business. It didn’t matter how well I did my job, if the company sucked, it sucked. If you have the best house in Detroit, your house still sucks, no matter how beautiful it is or how much effort you put into it.


103 posted on 08/24/2012 9:08:51 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: rdcbn
The people behind those critiques tended to be followers of C.P. Snow, who made a lot of the same points you made in his lecture "The Two Cultures." You may be interested to know that Lord Snow was friends with both Thomas Hardy and Jacques Barzun.

I used the term "quaint" because it comes from a time when college education was much more rigorous than now, in both the arts and the sciences. The ideal of Snowians was a world where poets understood the Second Law of Thermodynamics, engineers knew and could apply the difference between the worldviews of Plato and Aristotle, mathematicians could intelligently and sensitively critique Cubism, English majors understood that the simple exponential function was its own derivative and integral, and computer scientists would understand the difference between an open and closed society.

What a different world from now, a world of "Bonehead English" and a serious proposal to drop math entirely from the college curriculum.

104 posted on 08/24/2012 9:09:34 AM PDT by danielmryan
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To: ccmay

Useful jobs for producers, No. Useless jobs for parasites, Yes. However, the price of stupidity still comes with a high price tag.


105 posted on 08/24/2012 9:48:10 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: ccmay

shh...


106 posted on 08/24/2012 1:41:55 PM PDT by Reily
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To: netmilsmom; wintertime

I do think that sometimes we should step back a bit, cool down, and APPRECIATE the benefits that public schools have brought this country.

In our case, the benefit was that our combined kids, who are probably no smarter than most other kids have been given the chance to appear to the world as GENIUSES, simply because we parents had the common sense to never trust the government to provide for their education.

If we all lived in Asia, chances are that our kids would be about average, even after all the help we’ve given them, simply because the schools work in those countries and their primary objective is to actually EDUCATE the kids, rather than Stick It to THE MAN, as America’s unionized teachers see their purpose.

So I, for one, LOVE IT. I look brilliant, my average kids look brilliant, and they will be 1 percenters, while my co-workers and friends deal with 28 year old kids still trying to figure out what they want to do with their lives.

Life is just fine.


107 posted on 08/24/2012 3:31:36 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: netmilsmom
And let me add, I’m not going to complain about the dumbing down of the schools. My 12-year-old was just accepted into Rochester College. (along with her sister who is 14) I’ll work on improving the schools once they are squared away.
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Many, many congratulations to you and your girls.

Here is my prediction: Not even one government teacher, principal, or professor of education will ever contact you or your girls to ask about your methods.

108 posted on 08/24/2012 5:05:16 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime

Thanks! I love them. God gave them the brains. To Him goes the glory.


109 posted on 08/24/2012 5:12:42 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: verga; netmilsmom
(Those who live to revile, disparage and attack, rather than to improve and build)
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I would help to fix government schooling if it were possible to do that, but it is impossible. Why do you refuse to address these points that I have posted many times in answer to your accusation that I and others are not working to improve the impossible?

Here they are **again**! ( exasperated!)

I **know** a few things about all government owned and run K-12 schools. The following can NOT be fixed because it is intrinsic to the system:

1) All government owned and run schools in this nation are godless in their worldview. The children must think and reason godlessly just to cooperate in the classroom. This is NOT religiously neutral in content or consequences. At best the government owned and run schools offered up a lukewarm and generic Protestantism. The scriptures plainly state that Christ spits the lukewarm out of his mouth. This can NOT be fixed.

2) A religiously, politically, and culturally neutral education is impossible! That is why when government owns and runs schools it is **ESTABLISHING** a government approved religiously worldview that is NOT neutral.

3) All government owned and run schools in this nation are single-payer socialist entitlements. The children risk learning that the voting mob that gave them the schooling for tuition-free can also be manipulated into giving them **lots** of “free” stuff. The only possible solution would be to move toward privatization...BUT...then they wouldn't be government schools!

4) All schools must suppress freedom of speech, press, assembly, expression of religion, and none are religiously neutral. Children who attend government schools risk learning to be comfortable with government suppression of their First Amendment Rights. This is a major reason why we should begin the process of privatization. It can NOT be fixed!

Ending unions, improved curriculum, local control..etc. will NOT fix any of the above because the problems listed above are INTRINSIC to the socialist-entitlement schooling system.

Solution: Begin the process of privatization with vouchers, charters, and tax credits. In an ideal world there would be complete separation of school and state.

Finally, if you can find an exception to the above ( government owned and run schools) then please provide a link.

110 posted on 08/24/2012 5:24:53 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: Mikey_1962
You mean my BA in Clay Models of Horse History is not going to get me a job?

Damn! I knew Art History was the ticket.

I'm not so sure about that. Perhaps you should have minored in Medieval Sub-Saharan Homoerotic Music. That would certainly put you on a career fast-track.

111 posted on 08/24/2012 5:34:46 PM PDT by Bob
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To: BobL
I do think that sometimes we should step back a bit, cool down, and APPRECIATE the benefits that public schools have brought this country. In our case, the benefit was that our combined kids, who are probably no smarter than most other kids have been given the chance to appear to the world as GENIUSES,

My husband and I are sitting here laughing!!!

This has been our experience as well. Gee!...And to think that at one time in our nation's history it was **usual** for colleges to accept young teens or for young teens to be managing the responsibilities of adulthood. For example Meriwether Lewis at the age of 16, when his father died, took over the complete management of a 20,000 acre plantation. In fact, to take on this type of responsibility was expected.

Today, many of our citizens do not take on the responsibilities of adulthood until an age that our Founding Father would have considered to be **middle-aged**!

112 posted on 08/24/2012 5:37:43 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: netmilsmom; verga
I strive to be very general and non-specific in my posts about government education, and its teachers, principals, other administrators, and workers.

I have no control over whether someone **chooses** to take it personally. That is their decision and only they can control their choices.

On the **rare** occasion that I have been personal, I have striven to be very quick to apologize. I do not claim, however, that I have been perfect. I am not yet ready to be translated into Heaven like Moses or Elijah.

113 posted on 08/24/2012 5:46:30 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: netmilsmom

“If you have the best house in Detroit, your house still sucks, no matter how beautiful it is or how much effort you put into it.”

Classic!!!


114 posted on 08/24/2012 5:58:23 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: wintertime

>> I do not claim, however, that I have been perfect. I am not yet ready to be translated into Heaven like Moses or Elijah. <<

None of us are.


115 posted on 08/24/2012 8:22:25 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: BobL

Why thank you!


116 posted on 08/24/2012 8:25:21 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: wintertime
Why do you refuse to address these points that I have posted many times in answer to your accusation that I and others are not working to improve the impossible?

I have addressed each and every one of them, you just don't like the answers, and frankly after responding to you 30 plus time I can predict each of your droning replies.

117 posted on 08/25/2012 4:36:51 AM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: wintertime
I strive to be very general and non-specific in my posts about government education, and its teachers, principals, other administrators, and workers.

On the **rare** occasion that I have been personal, I have striven to be very quick to apologize. I do not claim, however, that I have been perfect. I am not yet ready to be translated into Heaven like Moses or Elijah.

Both of these statements are out right lies and you are a bully

118 posted on 08/25/2012 4:39:07 AM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: verga

you are a bully
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Wow! This is a personal insult.


119 posted on 08/25/2012 5:03:20 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: wintertime

Remember a few weeks ago I make the observation that you were a bully, and you denied it? I knew I had to wait only a short time until you started in again.

This is the kind of bullying I was talking about.


120 posted on 08/25/2012 5:14:42 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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