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Rasmussen: Missouri - Obama 47 Romney 46
Rasmussen Reports ^ | 8/23/2012 | Rasmussen

Posted on 08/24/2012 6:43:31 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote

As the controversy over Republican Senate candidate Todd Akin’s “legitimate rape” comment continues, Mitt Romney’s lead in Missouri has vanished.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Missouri Voters finds President Obama with 47% support to Romney’s 46%. Three percent (3%) favor some other candidate in the race, and three percent (3%) more are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

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To: hecht

If you say so


251 posted on 08/24/2012 9:39:43 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: chris37

You could run “John Doe” and it would be better.


252 posted on 08/24/2012 9:41:12 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: kabar
Should Mourdock have not challenged Lugar?

Mourdock is a very good candidate and has a strong chance to win. Sure, there is a risk that has to be weighed. If Mourdock were a terrible candidate that would almost certainly lose than it wouldn't have been worth running him instead of RINO Lugar. As is, we have a solid chance to win and wind up a terrific conservative. Akin, on the other hand, is now a terrible candidate with very little chance to win. Worse, he hurts other Republicans up and down ballot in his state. Akin embarrassed the party so badly he manages to hurt Republicans in OTHER states too.

heard the same blather about putting Mike Castle in the Senate rather than have Christine O'Donnell run.

Nominating Christine O' Donnell was a mistake. She was a joke candidate and lost by roughly the margin every political realist knew she would (17 points). Castle is a RINO crapweasel, but this is a case where the trade off wasn't worth it. Nominating her guaranteed a loss. Castle would have been better in that particular case.

There is a calculation to made in each case. Akin won his nomination with the backing of the Huckabee wing of the party (and money from McCaskill and the Democrat Party). No one tried to remove him until he blew up his own campaign. The GOP was going to pour millions in the race on his behalf. Conservative SuperPAC's had ad buys ready. Akin was going to get a ton of support. He said something so woefully stupid that anyone that isn't political tonedeaf realized they had to distance themselves from him. It's long past time for Akin to put his ego aside and get out of the race. Surely there are other equally pro-life candidates that can step in and win this seat.

253 posted on 08/24/2012 9:41:56 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Alter Kaker

“You want us to screw a genuine Tea Party conservative who actually won a GOP primary.”

I guess I am in good company when the head of the Tea Party has already publicly asked him to withdraw. His elite Republicans and RINO want him gone narrative does not sell anymore. Conservatives want him gone also. The only national “conservative” figure to publicly quasi support him is Huckabee. Can you name a pro life conservative political public figure or commentator other than one issue evangelicals who has called for him to stay in?


254 posted on 08/24/2012 9:42:37 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: GlockThe Vote

Sorry, John Doe doesn’t qualify. He won nothing, he ran for nothing, and he doesn’t actually exist.

Let me know when you decide to step back in reality, because until such time, you are just excreting forth a bunch of useless nonsense.


255 posted on 08/24/2012 9:51:57 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: kabar
He also won the Senate primary.

And I voted for him. Just I have voted for him to be my congressman. I like his voting record. I agree with his views on the issues.

However, I thought he would be able to navigate his way through this campaign without major mishap. I was wrong. He has severely damaged his own chances, perhaps irreparably. Plus, he is hurting the cause outside of his own race.

256 posted on 08/24/2012 9:52:28 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (St. Louis County, Missouri)
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To: GlockThe Vote
I live in the Bronx, N.Y.C. There is almost ZERO obama stuff anywhere. no Romney stuff, but no obama stuff either. Its bizarre almost and one would not even know an election is coming.

I work in the Bronx and live in Queens. You are correct. I hardly see any bumper stickers or signs anywhere. Interestingly, of what I do see, I would say it is about even. The polls say NY +25 for Obama.

257 posted on 08/24/2012 9:54:13 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Uncle Chip
Would she [Ann Wagner] sacrifice a sure thing for a fight with a seasoned politico with no guarantee of success??? If you were her husband what would you advise her???

I'd say, "Go for it!"

258 posted on 08/24/2012 9:55:14 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (St. Louis County, Missouri)
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To: Charles Henrickson
I'd say, "Go for it!"

As I told don, it's easy for us to say isn't it??? It's not our future on the line.

259 posted on 08/24/2012 9:57:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: hecht
His supporters here believe in that magic spemacide

I was astounded to find that a couple folks that I know to be intelligent, and who I formerly very much respected, actually belive that Akin's "science" is good. They offer as their sources:

1. An appeal to "common sense", as in "it's just common sense that if a woman is raped she is less likely to conceive." Really? I'd laugh, but they aren't kidding. The "no evidence is no evidence" standard kicks this one out, without bothering to get into the logical fallacy aspect.

2. A small early-70s statistical study of two urban hospitals with internal references citing Nazi fertilization experiments on Jewish victims. Words fail on that one. Even in the unlikely event that it might have some merit, do you REALLY want to go there?

3. A ChiCom mouse study. Obviously totally pertinent to the argument. Not. And again, ChiComs...mice...do you REALLY want to go there? This entire brouhaha is over perception. This sort of loose thinking reinforces the sterotype of conservatives that our enemies revel in, that we are irrational, medieval-minded zealots. It's d*mn discouraging.

260 posted on 08/24/2012 9:58:36 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Longbow1969
Mourdock is a very good candidate and has a strong chance to win. Sure, there is a risk that has to be weighed. If Mourdock were a terrible candidate that would almost certainly lose than it wouldn't have been worth running him instead of RINO Lugar. As is, we have a solid chance to win and wind up a terrific conservative. Akin, on the other hand, is now a terrible candidate with very little chance to win.

You are missing the point--maybe intentionally. You posit that winning is the single most important criterion. Lugar is a sure winner, Mourdock is not. Yet, you are willing to take a chance on Mourdock. My question to you is should Mourdock have been discouraged from running so as not to put the seat at risk?

Nominating Christine O' Donnell was a mistake. She was a joke candidate and lost by roughly the margin every political realist knew she would (17 points). Castle is a RINO crapweasel, but this is a case where the trade off wasn't worth it. Nominating her guaranteed a loss. Castle would have been better in that particular case.

This is where we have a profound disagreement. Christine O'Donnell beat Castle in the primary. She was the nominee of the party. I prefer a loss to putting into office a Mike Castle, Arlen Specter, or Jim Jeffords with an R after their name. Romnald Reagan said,

“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers. I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.”

The more the GOP dilutes its brand, the greater the possibility of a third party that will break away from the GOP. More than likely, that group will be conservatives.

261 posted on 08/24/2012 9:59:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Charles Henrickson

Today, Rasmussen Reports has released a presidential poll run in Missouri on August 22. The poll indicates alarming movement in the Obama/Romney horse race resulting from MO’s GOP senate nominee Todd Akin’s controversial remarks. Clearly, there has been collateral damage.

Before Akin’s remarks hit the airwaves and consequent media frenzy erupted, Romney led Obama 50% to 44%. However, one month later, Romney has not only lost his lead and dropped 4%, but Obama now has 1% advantage. The campaign might have expected a bounce from the announcement of Paul Ryan as the vice-presidential pick, but that bounce is impossible to quantify now.

Where are Romney’s losses? He has lost 9% of the male vote. In July, we saw Romney with 58% of the male vote. The latest numbers show that Romney’s male support has dropped to 49%. Obama has picked up 5% of Romney’s losses.

With these new developments, it will be difficult for the left to spin Akin’s remarks as part of the “GOP war on women.” Romney’s support among women is consistent before and after the Akin affair, 44% support him now and 44% supported him in July.


262 posted on 08/24/2012 10:14:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: GlockThe Vote; All

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263 posted on 08/24/2012 10:15:11 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: kabar
I prefer a loss

Nominating a handful of awful Senate candidates and "preferring a loss" wiped out any good all the Tea Party House members might have done this term. Absolutely nothing they passed in the House can even get a vote in the Senate. That very kind of "preferring a loss" mentality may mean the Tea Party caucus can never actually accomplish anything. Simply having an (R) Senate Majority Leader makes all the difference in the world. It means we could have gotten votes on our House passed bills. Even if crapweasel Castle and electable candidates from Nevada and Colorado voted no on much of it, we would have still been getting votes, passing some stuff and forcing Hussein to veto popular bills. Unfortunately, we nominated clown candidates like O'Donnell and Angle and wasted a shot at winning the US Senate.

Like I said, you have to weigh each case individually. The goal for rational people who live in the world of political reality is to nominate the most conservative candidate who CAN win. There is no point in nominating people that haven't got a chance. O'Donnell not only didn't have a chance, she was a national joke and made the very conservative activists that were supporting her look ridiculous.

There was nothing wrong with Akin prior to his idiotic comments. I probably would have gone with Steelman in the primaries were I a Missouri voter, but Akin was clearly on a path to win the Senate seat. Once he blew up his campaign and turned himself into a liability for the GOP, conservative movement and the pro-life cause it was time for him to step aside. Again, the seat is vastly more important than Akin's politicians ego or bruised feelings.

264 posted on 08/24/2012 10:30:21 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: GlockThe Vote
And tell me - just what is to gain by supporting Akin at this point?

So everyone who says something stupid should drop out? The party will fall, they already have lost lots of Christian conservatives who take the attack on Akins as an attack on them. The RNC caused this explosion themselves and they keep putting fire on it. There WILL be someone or something else next week that the left will attack. That is what they always do. The RNC super-hyped this so they could pick their own candidate. And what will the spineless RNC do next time? Shake in their boots and run again. How about standing up and fighting. This is one of biggest problems in this party. They won't fight. They want to appear nice, but they aren't to their own. They should just SPEAK THE TRUTH and quit playing political games. Run some brave commercials on TV not just on the Internet.

Example of a commercial

Todd Akins saying: I made a mistake in what I said. I have apologized ? times. Voters I ask you this question. Which is worse; someone who misspeaks or someone who thinks it ok to kill a baby who is ready to be born; 9 months in the womb and a person who thinks it's ok to let a babies die outside the womb because they she was meant to be aborted.
My words were wrong, but Obama’s extreme positions on abortion are so outrageous, that Missourians will not accept partial-birth abortion up to 9 months or infanticide.

Do you know that many people do not believe that abortions are done up to 9 months. They say, if it were true the republicans would be making commercials about it. I have seen it turn a person who was going to vote for Gore not vote at all. These are non-political people who watch lots of tv, and don't care about the news. They are people we need to reach. Whoever does political ads for the rnc has no imagination or guts.

265 posted on 08/24/2012 10:38:35 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: hecht
We have no place for morons who in their zeal will bring down the house.

I understand how you feel. John McCain feels the same way, which is why he's telling Romney to disavow the entire Tea Party.

This is that the leadership has been saying about the freshmen class of 2010.

266 posted on 08/24/2012 10:42:56 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: fr_freak

I agree with you, Linda. The fact that Mitt Romney is the nominee in a party that is supposed to be conservative tells me everything I need to know about where we are as a country. Voters in this country are supremely stupid and unprincipled, and they no longer deserve a decent government or a decent country, in my opinion. Too many people think that if we can just get enough “R”s in office, everything will be OK again. Well, it won’t, and a big part of the reason is that the Rs no longer fight for principles. Without principles, it doesn’t matter which jackass is in office.


I wish I knew how to post a picture of a cowboy blowing smoke off his gun, because you are so right. It seems the republican party has been selling their soul to win, and not realizing all they are losing. I guess you have to be a true conservative to see that. Many seem to be moving left without even knowing it or worse, just plain compromising.


267 posted on 08/24/2012 10:48:09 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Linda Frances

When what he says is so stupid that it puts a close sentate race and national race in jeapordy?

YES

YES

YES

Some of you people are seriously living in a cocoon to not see the damage going on here by this little cabal of delusional nuts.


268 posted on 08/24/2012 10:49:21 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Linda Frances

And you think there is some nobility to defending such a stupid and ridiculous candidate who risks sinking the ship?

Please, get off your high horse and wake up already.


269 posted on 08/24/2012 10:52:39 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: doug from upland

Doug, my dear FRiend..

After reading my own post I can see how you would think that I was trying to make that narrow point of defending Akins..

My intention was to draw the much larger fact that any broader thinking voter, would even consider voting for a loonie, lying, unrepentant, leftest, over someone who stupidly stumbled over his deeper message of saving babies at any cost.. :)


270 posted on 08/24/2012 10:56:19 AM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: Longbow1969

“Nominating Christine O’ Donnell was a mistake. She was a joke candidate and lost by roughly the margin every political realist knew she would (17 points). Castle is a RINO crapweasel, but this is a case where the trade off wasn’t worth it. Nominating her guaranteed a loss. Castle would have been better in that particular case.”

I agree. I was no fan of Castle. Not a bit. But he would have voted with the GOP at least 1/2 of the time. The Dem candidate? Well, his current voting record pretty much speaks for itself.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could clone Jim DeMint’s and Tom Coburn’s and run ‘em in all 50 states? Wouldn’t it be nice if they’d each win their elections with 65% of the vote? I’d love it.

But it ain’t gonna happen.

So we settle for less than what we wanted. It’s sucks sometimes - but that’s life. NO ONE gets what they want all of the time. The people out there who say point at themselves and say “I’m principled” - are in many cases, not. They’re spoiled brats.

The bottom line in the Senate? 51 votes. And right now,


271 posted on 08/24/2012 11:05:38 AM PDT by MplsSteve (General Mills is pro-gay marriage! Boycott their products!)
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To: jboot

Until this broke, no sane person had ever heard of this belief. If Akin had quickly just gone away we’d have looked upon him as simply weird. Unfortunately - and Rush mentioned it on Tuesday - we have now learnt that this is dogma for a hopefully small subset.
There are many middle of the road swing voters who Lean Pro life who will now now of this dogma and will be terrified that it is prevalent and vote Dem. The DNC nows this and is very good at scaring right leaning people especially woman who get terrified from these folks.
A woman’s greates fear is rape only followed by pregnancy from that. I can understand the raoe exception . Many lifers do, but to these fanatics , a pregnant rape victim is a lying whore.
Also , they say we should forgive Akin for his apology, but they then go on to say that he spoke the truth. You can’t have it both ways.


272 posted on 08/24/2012 11:12:04 AM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: Uncle Chip
Maybe Ann W wants to play in the big leagues? Hit the ball out of the park. She won't have this opportunity for 6 more years. Roy Blunt seemed quite robust last time I saw him...

Steelman may have "soft support" in your area, but not hereabouts. If someone spent $9 million to destroy your credibility it would be difficult to restore same as well.Besides, she has Dick Morris pulling for her. /s

I'd think she'd do fine in any debate with Ma.

IMO we need a woman. After all the damage done by a man...

273 posted on 08/24/2012 11:12:32 AM PDT by donozark (News flash:Todd Akin has NEVER driven and Oldsmobile. Not off a bridge anyway...)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Get this, somehow I am on Claire's mailing list. I got an email from her naming me by first name telling me all about her glorious 'moderate' works...

The title is "Shining Some Sunlight on the Government​’s Finances" and she is bragging about .......I teamed up with one of the most conservative members of the Senate, Republican Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, to introduce legislation forcing the Pentagon to get its act together and produce a basic financial audit.

I am not sure it would be proper to post the whole email, but I wanted people to get a flavor of the Claire campaign. I cannot get rid of the non-stop nausea, as I watch this circus pass me by.

274 posted on 08/24/2012 11:14:44 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: hecht

“Also , they say we should forgive Akin for his apology, but they then go on to say that he spoke the truth.”

Exactly. I noticed the same thing.


275 posted on 08/24/2012 11:20:18 AM PDT by MplsSteve (General Mills is pro-gay marriage! Boycott their products!)
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To: carlo3b

OK. I want Akins replaced with someone who is equally pro-life. He believes he is the only one who can carry the banner. It’s all about him. That is hubris.


276 posted on 08/24/2012 11:23:41 AM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: donozark

Steelman may have “soft support” in your area, but not hereabouts........I’d think she’d do fine in any debate with Ma. IMO we need a woman.
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If Sarah Steelman would be named as the replacement for Todd Akin, I’d be “all in” for supporting her. From what I’ve read and seen of her, she’d do a great CONSERVATIVE job for us in the Senate. She has some Sarah Palin traits and is one who is not afraid to “buck the establishment”. I don’t think she’d be afraid to join a coalition against the McConnell side of the party. Actually, I suspect that she’d be “chomping at the bit” to get on with that particular “early” business.

I don’t know much about Ann Wagner so I’ll reserve judgement on her. You Missourians would know her better than I could hope to.


277 posted on 08/24/2012 11:26:55 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: hecht
Before last week I had only heard of the magic rape spermicide once, and that many years ago when I worked on a survey crew. The guy in question was a deadbeat dad fighting a paternity suit. He claimed that because his only sexual contact with the woman had been nonconsensual no conception could have taken place. He had somehow gotten ahold of an "expert" to testify to this. He was a real piece of work, not a pro-lifer but a lowlife. I gathered later that he lost his case.

As a pro-lifer myself, I do not believe in a rape/incest exception on principle. That said, A. I don't believe in magic uterus genies and B. I accept that in this broken world the perfect is the enemy of the good. Pro-life without exception is still a hard sell to the general public. A law that bans most abortions that can pass is better than a law that bans all abortions that cannot pass.

278 posted on 08/24/2012 11:40:59 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

If there are that many people determined to murder the unborn, the weak, the old, the ‘undesirables; determined to take what isn’t rightfully theirs; what we do to fix the economy won’t make a whit of difference. The further we move away from God, the faster we will slide into the Abyss.


279 posted on 08/24/2012 11:44:56 AM PDT by golas1964 (Obama must be defeated in 2012)
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To: Alter Kaker

Of course all the “naysayers” would perfer their candidate “McCaskill” run unapposed. Give this until after the GOP convention and Todd Akin’s comment will be forgotten history. In other words, it won’t mean a thing. Akin is going to win in Missouri with the help of God and many praying souls.


280 posted on 08/24/2012 11:45:18 AM PDT by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: GlockThe Vote

If there are that many people determined to murder the unborn, the weak, the old, the ‘undesirables’; determined to take what isn’t rightfully theirs; what we do or don’t do to fix the economy won’t make a whit of difference either. The further we move away from God, the faster we will slide into the Abyss.


281 posted on 08/24/2012 11:46:31 AM PDT by golas1964 (Obama must be defeated in 2012)
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To: Longbow1969
Unfortunately, we nominated clown candidates like O'Donnell and Angle and wasted a shot at winning the US Senate.

We nominated them through a GOP primary. If you don't accept the results of the primary, then join another party. O'Donnell finished off the political career of a RINO--an accomplishment all by itself. She also helped shake up the Rep establishment in Delaware. Ask fellow FReeper Fishtalk about Delaware politics and that race in particular, something she was deeply involved in.

Angle was a good conservative candidate. The RNC helped torpedo her by withholding funds. And with the heavy SEIU involvement, I have no doubt that there was widespread voter fraud. Harry Reid would more than likely beat any candidate the GOP put up under those circumstances.

Calling O'Donnell and Angle "clown candidates" reveals more about you than them. They got in the arena and put themselves before the voters. They won their primaries the old fashioned way--they got more votes than their opponents. So blame the voters for their nomination.

Absolutely nothing they passed in the House can even get a vote in the Senate. That very kind of "preferring a loss" mentality may mean the Tea Party caucus can never actually accomplish anything. Simply having an (R) Senate Majority Leader makes all the difference in the world. It means we could have gotten votes on our House passed bills. Even if crapweasel Castle and electable candidates from Nevada and Colorado voted no on much of it, we would have still been getting votes, passing some stuff and forcing Hussein to veto popular bills.

A lot of ifs and buts. Obama could still had the veto and it couldn't be overturned. Bush had control of both Houses and still couldn't turn things around. He passed the biggest expansion of Medicare, the prescription drug program that represents an unfunded liability of $7.3 trillion; he signed McCain-Feingold rather than vetoing it; he doubled the Department of Education with "No child left behind;" he added $5 trillion to the national debt doubling it from $5 trillion to $10 trillion; and he tried to push an amnesty down our throats first with Hagel-Martinez (which passed the Rep controlled Senate), and then McCain-Kennedy. The bottom line is that having a majority is not in and of itself enough. You have to have the right people with Rs after their name to change things. We need to win votes on issues, not just vote on them and see them go down the rat hole.

Like I said, you have to weigh each case individually. The goal for rational people who live in the world of political reality is to nominate the most conservative candidate who CAN win. There is no point in nominating people that haven't got a chance. O'Donnell not only didn't have a chance, she was a national joke and made the very conservative activists that were supporting her look ridiculous.

I am active in the Tea Party movement and GOP politics. I understand political reality, especially living in Northern VA, which has been transformed into a Dem bastion over the past 30 years I have been living here. 33% of the residents of Fairfax County, the largest county in the state, are foreign born. They along with the Beltway bandits and crony capitalists have made the area the richest in the country and more and more Democrat. For the first time in the history of VA and Fairfax County, we will have the ballot in two languages, Spanish and English. Kerry was the first Dem since 1964 to win Fairfax County.

In order for Romney to win in VA, he will have to at least break even in NoVA. That will be no easy task. The Dems are better organized and funded. They have been registering new people almost since the day Obama was sworn in. It is going to be a very tight race. I am working with an outside conservative group (the GOP is hopeless) to identify and get out Rep voters. Romney and Allen are going to have a very hard time carrying VA. In another 10 years, I think VA will be a blue state. That is political reality my friend. Demography is destiny.

Once he blew up his campaign and turned himself into a liability for the GOP, conservative movement and the pro-life cause it was time for him to step aside. Again, the seat is vastly more important than Akin's politicians ego or bruised feelings.

The GOP poured gasoline on to the fire. They were on a seek and destroy mission from the very start. Sunday Akin made his verbal gaffe and by Monday the hammers of hell were upon him from the GOP and the conservative media. There was absolutely no attempt to salvage his candidacy. This is the reason I strongly believe the Rep Establishment saw this as a way to get someone to replace Akin who was more acceptable ideologically.

They made a huge gamble and it has backfired on them. So far, Akin has dug in his heels and essentially told the GOP hierarchy "Go f**k yourself." I would have felt the same way. My own party didn't stand by me and to make matters worse, they did it all very publicly to humiliate me. At least concede that the GOP handled this very badly. Praise in public, criticize in private. They could have developed some sort of face-saving scenario for Akin at the very least. You don't do this to a good and decent man. It is the lack of fairness that angers me the most.

The GOP has elevated the level of Akin's liabilty. They have raised the stakes in a meat cleaver approach to push him out of the race. I hope Akin stands his ground. Let the chips fall where they may.

282 posted on 08/24/2012 12:00:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Linda Frances

Well said. Newt showed us how to handle the MSM in the debates. Go on the attack and confront them over their bias. If the GOP had supported Akin over this tempest in a tea pot, the political damage would have been far less. Apology given, words clarified, now lets move on.


283 posted on 08/24/2012 12:06:18 PM PDT by kabar
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To: golas1964

Right - so lets stick this with nut destined to lose and hand the election back to Obama and Claire right?

The psychosis of the ABR’s has translated into this now.


284 posted on 08/24/2012 12:09:13 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: jboot

You now realize that we will be tarred as wackos with the rest of these nut jobs by the general population.
it’s heard being continuously depicted by the MSM as hatful , intolerant , wife eaters that reject science. if my daughter got raped I’d get her get treated ASAP and hopefully she would not conceive.
but I now see that there is a small subset of intolerant wackos who have set the narrative for all of us.


285 posted on 08/24/2012 12:10:36 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: golas1964

Right - so lets stick this with nut destined to lose and hand the election back to Obama and Claire right?

The psychosis of the ABR’s has translated into this now.


286 posted on 08/24/2012 12:15:14 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

If I can throw in my two cents’ worth. I’m pretty much always black and white on most issues. However on this I offer a couple of different perspectives. On the one hand as far as tactics and strategy go there’s no question Akin should leave.

He absolutely makes it harder if not downright impossible to win this Senate seat absent another game-changing event as well as making it more difficult for Romney in the state.

I think one angle I’ve seen but has been underplayed is let’s pretend he somehow wins — I don’t think Congressman Akin is prepared to be a U.S. Senator. He seems to show a lack of political awareness that may not serve him well if he ever needed it whatever his past voting record may be.

For these reasons he should withdraw and let one more able to win and/or govern (my personal view is that a woman would be a much more viable choice at this point such as Steelman or Wagner).

With all this said I agree with others on here that with all the many, many, many weaknesses, gaffes and general weak record of most Democrats if we can’t win the Senate and Presidency in spite of this one mistake we don’t deserve to win. As much as all want to view this one mistake as destroying all Republican efforts, the Dems have supposedly according to our side [which I agree] had several of these (give me space, private sector’s doing fine, you didn’t build it, put y’all in chains, DWS’s weak performances, etc, etc). McCaskill is very weak as well as are 5 to 8 other Senate Dems up this year.

We can take nothing for granted and again Akin should drop out but let’s not let this one issue destroy our enthusiasm, motivation and confidence in winning this thing.


287 posted on 08/24/2012 12:15:29 PM PDT by ctpsb (Thanks.)
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To: kabar

“If you don’t accept the results of the primary, then join another party.”

Don’t tell us to get out the party, a**hole. We have as much right to be here as you.


288 posted on 08/24/2012 12:15:51 PM PDT by MplsSteve (General Mills is pro-gay marriage! Boycott their products!)
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To: kabar

You appear to be having difficulty thinking this through clearly.

“If Missouri voters would rather vote for Obama and all of his policies that have left this nation in shambles economically, i.e., inimical to their own personal interests and lives, because of a verbal gaffe of a GOP senate candidate, then Missouri and the country deserve the government they get.”

Completely irrelevant. Who cares? The only thing that matters is what happens. And it is potentially not just Missouri voters that are impacted by this debacle. I and anyone not living in Missouri certainly won’t have anything to do with not voting for this fool.

“How stupid are these voters? What impact could Akin’s verbal gaffe have on their personal lives? He apologized and explained what he meant. He committed no crime. He didn’t display his private parts over social media, he didn’t consort with prostitutes; he didn’t have sex with interns in his office; he didn’t leave a women to drown in an overturned car; he didn’t lie under oath; and he didn’t run a homosexual prostitution ring from his house.”

Also completely irrelevant as it relates to choosing a course of action given the current facts on the ground. The bottom line is that Akin has become radioactive. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER IT IS RIGHT, FAIR, UNFAIR, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. Learn to deal with the circumstances you are presented with. You’ll find you will be a much happier person if you do.

“My God, what the Hell did Akin do to deserve such condemnation? He has an exemplary voting record (97.24 lifetime ACU rating and an A+ score from NumbersUSA on immigration,) 24 years in elective office at the state and federal level never losing an election; a devout Christian, a former Army officer, a good family man with 6 children—three of his sons have served in the US Marine Corps with two on active duty.”

One.... more... time. Completely irrelevant - see above.

“I blame the GOP for the current situation. They could have handled the situation much better. They could have disassociated themselves from Akin’s remarks, noted that he has apologized and explained his improper use language; and then said we should move on to address the concerns of Missouri voters on such issues as jobs, the economy, Obamacare, etc. Instead, one day after Akin’s gaffe, they launched into a huge blitzkrieg on Akin. The GOP joined into the MSM manufactured hysteria much to the delight of the Dems. The GOP made it a national issue.”

The GOP handled it exactly correctly. You don’t seem to understand the severity/gravity that many people place on his stupid comment. The polls reflect what you don’t seem to comprehend. And it isn’t the GOP’s reaction that has caused the poll results. It is AKIN who is to blame and the liberal media/democrats for playing it up for all its worth and then some.

Are you a democrat?


289 posted on 08/24/2012 12:18:16 PM PDT by PAR
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To: chris37
And you are a Kamikaze pilot who wants to take everything down with you. What percentage of the electorate thinks a woman should be forced to carry the baby of a rapist? I am guessing it is a vanishingly tiny minority.

No thanks.

290 posted on 08/24/2012 12:24:35 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: hecht
That was the risk all along. The only way to avoid it was for Akin to step aside, and even that was not a sure thing.

We need our politicians to do some hard thinking about their positions. If they cannot articulately defend them, they need to learn how to, fast. Everything is national now. Something stupid said at a BBQ in East Gimcrack doesn't stay there anymore...it goes around the world instantly. If you can't or won't play the game that way, you need to get out of the way of the people who can.

291 posted on 08/24/2012 12:26:20 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: jboot
"What this “is about” is stopping the infection. Because the patient refused the initial treatment, the remaining option is to amputate. But if you can’t or won’t see the negative implications of supporting a toxic candidate, and how he negatively affects other races nationwide, there’s really nothing more to say. I guess reality will eventually hit you. If not before, then definitely the morning after the election."

Well said. This is about limiting the contagion. Akin is radioactive. Having the party get behind him at this stage just embraces the Democrat war on women argument and validates the fears that independent women have about committing to the GOP.

292 posted on 08/24/2012 12:35:11 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: kabar
I hope Akin stands his ground. Let the chips fall where they may.

The chips will fall as expected, Akin loses, and we all remember what an idiot he was. Yippee. That make you happy? Do you feel you win something from following this debacle to it's conclusion? Nothing changes. Candidates that make campaign ending ridiculous statements are still going to be asked to step aside. What is the value of a loss in this state compared with replacing McCaskill with a Senator that will vote to overturn Obamacare? This just proves that Akin and his hardcore supporters are stubborn boneheads who put ego over principle.

This is the reason I strongly believe the Rep Establishment saw this as a way to get someone to replace Akin who was more acceptable ideologically.

Oh BS. Quit with the persecution complex. Akin was obviously the weakest of the candidates. That is why McCaskill and the Democrats put 1-2 million in the GOP primary to help him win the nomination. The left didn't do this just to burn off some extra money. They made a cold, hard calculation that Akin was most likely to implode - and sure as heck enough, he did. No one tried to force Akin out when he originally won the primary. Money was slated to pour in from the party and SuperPAC's to help him win. And Akin was on track to win too, until he stated that women's bodies magically seal up and prevent pregnancy via rape. And please don't try to defend this statement when even Akin doesn't anymore.

O'Donnell finished off the political career of a RINO--an accomplishment all by itself. She also helped shake up the Rep establishment in Delaware.

Good grief, for love of all that is good in this world, please stop defending this woman. O'Donnell is a complete flake. It's like some of you people are looking at her and purposefully ignoring all the bizarre behavior. This is the woman that whined that the "establishment" wouldn't support her after having 4 years previously lost a GOP primary race and then abandoned the party and ran a complete failure of a 3rd party write-in bid. And on top of all the shady stuff that surrounds her, there are now allegation that she stole ideas from a fellow conservative and tried marketing it to Al Gore's current TV.

I am active in the Tea Party movement and GOP politics. I understand political reality, especially living in Northern VA, which has been transformed into a Dem bastion over the past 30 years I have been living here.

Ah, almost neighbors then! I am in Fairfax County and agree with your points about VA, demographics, etc.

293 posted on 08/24/2012 12:40:29 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: RightWingNilla

No, I am not a kamikaze pilot. I am a person who sees a bunch of cowards, and I am calling them a bunch of cowards, because they damn well need to know it.

And I do not know how many people think a woman should be forced to carry the baby of a rapist, and I am not one of those people.

I SUPPORT THE RAPE, INCEST, AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER EXCEPTION. I ALWAYS HAVE, AND I ALWAYS WILL.

I AM NOT A 100% PRO-LIFER.

I support Todd Akin because he has the courage of his convictions. I do not agree with him or what he said, but I respect him for NOT BEING A SISSY REPUBLICAN.

I also support him, because I am not going to be pushed by a bunch of communists, and I am not going to be pushed by people who are scared of a bunch of communists.

You people had best wake up and get your heads out of your butts really soon, because we do not have time for your fear.


294 posted on 08/24/2012 12:44:39 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: MplsSteve

Then accept the results of the primary a**hole. Didn’t you read the context of the interchange?


295 posted on 08/24/2012 12:52:13 PM PDT by kabar
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To: GlockThe Vote; All

This could be viewed as an ethical problem, assuming there actually exists people who honestly believe that Akin is being unjustly asked to leave the race by the GOP. (Most are probably dishonest trolls, though)

I come down on the side of utilitarianism - we should save the most people possible at the expense of one (Akin) if necessary. No categorical imperative here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem


296 posted on 08/24/2012 12:53:08 PM PDT by PAR
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To: chris37
Do you live in Missouri?

I do and Akin needs those ‘moderates’ to vote for him, or stay home, NOT vote for Claire. You can stomp your feet and call all the names you see fit and it will NOT get the moderates off their butts to vote for Akin or any Republican.

I really do not understand why all this is so complicated. This election is about who will get the moderates to vote for them. Old Claire has dressed herself up in a moderate costume and she is pretending she does not know who Obama is.

Missouri is a swing state, liberals and republicans are roughly evenly divided.... and then there are those shaking in the wind moderates, and ‘legitimate rape’ is NOT going to get them out voting for Akin in enough numbers.

Reality stinks, but that is what is going on.

I will vote for Akin IF he is on the ballot, but I am a minority in this state... it would not matter IF the Republican party gave Akin every nickle and dime they have, hugged, cheered him, joined him, ..... There are not enough Republicans in this state to win elections, that is why they call us a ‘swing’ state.

297 posted on 08/24/2012 12:55:00 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: kabar

Yeah, I read it, a**hole..

I think we all accept the results. The results speak for themselves. But some of us don’t like ‘em.

THAT was the point. But don’t tell us to get out the party if we don’t like it.


298 posted on 08/24/2012 12:56:32 PM PDT by MplsSteve (General Mills is pro-gay marriage! Boycott their products!)
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To: Just mythoughts

No, I don’t. I’m pretty moderate, at least compared to others, and I live in FL.

I wish I could vote for him, but alas.

But you know what? If a bunch of moderates go and vote for Claire the Commie because of what Akin said, then they lose their freedom, and so do the rest of us.

So let’s hope they smarten up real fast.


299 posted on 08/24/2012 12:59:20 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: PAR
Completely irrelevant. Who cares? The only thing that matters is what happens. And it is potentially not just Missouri voters that are impacted by this debacle. I and anyone not living in Missouri certainly won’t have anything to do with not voting for this fool.

Your comments are irrelevant. I have no idea how your response applies to my comments. My point is that if such a verbal gaffe is so powerful that it will lead to the voters of Missouri and the US to vote for Obama and his supporters without regard to Obama's policies that are destroying this country, then we deserve to lose. There has to be some proportionality to the impact of a verbal gaffe and actual policies deterimental to our lives.

You don’t seem to understand the severity/gravity that many people place on his stupid comment.

That is a problem isn't it? You seem to be one of those people who believe the " severity/gravity" of his comment. Let's see what impact it has over the next few weeks after the hysteria has died down. I don't for a minute believe that Akin's comments were that earthshaking. Compared to Obama's policies, they are irrelevant.

300 posted on 08/24/2012 1:02:42 PM PDT by kabar
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