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NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire
Fox News ^ | 8-25-2012 | AP

Posted on 08/25/2012 1:50:12 PM PDT by servo1969

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To: Jim from C-Town

As I said on an earlier thread, those folks who got shot should be glad the cops were using 9mm’s instead of 45’s.


21 posted on 08/25/2012 3:14:25 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: servo1969

One of the NRA’s four basic rules of gun safety is to know your target and what’s beyond. I find is tragically sad that the police - of all people - did not follow this very important rule.


22 posted on 08/25/2012 3:19:55 PM PDT by grundle
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To: KarlInOhio
16 rounds fired with 10 bullet wounds to Johnson and 9 other people hit by bullets or fragments. 19 hits (at least) for 16 shots is pretty darn efficient. < /s>

Three bystanders were admitted to hospitals with direct gunshot wounds. Bullets were removed from two of the victims, implying the third had a through wound.

WaPo says:

"Police officials have said the officers appeared to have no choice but to shoot Johnson, whose body had 10 bullet wounds in the chest, arms and legs."

23 posted on 08/25/2012 3:31:17 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Travis McGee
They should take lessons from these everyday citizens, who kept their cool when faced with armed robbers... (you tubes)

65-year-old Woman Thwarts Robbery on Jewellery Store in Garden Grove, California (you tube)

Internet Cafe Customer Shoots 2 Robbers In Florida (you tube)

24 posted on 08/25/2012 3:53:45 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

This should be mandatory viewing by any one who carries.
The late Col. Jeff Cooper USMC retired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGYttXa0d1k


25 posted on 08/25/2012 4:28:20 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: servo1969

The two officers were protégés of trainer/director Sam Peckinpah.


26 posted on 08/25/2012 4:30:13 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: donozark
"NYPD fired 41 shots at unarmed Amadou Diallo..."

...19 of which struck Diallo.

If they're now getting 19 hits from 16 shots, the NYPD's percentages are much better today! 46.3% versus 118.7%!

27 posted on 08/25/2012 4:37:11 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: servo1969

"That's some nice shootin', boys."
28 posted on 08/25/2012 4:43:01 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: The_Reader_David; All
In reality, you keep shooting until the threat is down and no longer a threat.

I thought the cops did not do too badly, considering they were confronting an armed man at close range who had just murdered a man.

Most people miss when shooting in a gunfight. These officers did better than average. From the video, it appears to me that the closest officer probably got most of the hits. He is shooting two handed, is closer, and seems more focused. The officer who is farther away is retreating and firing one handed. He does not seem as focused.

All three participants are moving. Shooting while moving is difficult.

To me, it appears to be suicide by cop.

29 posted on 08/25/2012 5:33:17 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

All that and you didn’t once mention the 9 who were hit by the police. If I did that to defend myself, I would be charged with some damn crime by the DA.


30 posted on 08/25/2012 5:57:53 PM PDT by XXXoholic
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To: LFOD

“...this is an end result of the quality of performance training...”

Unfortunately, that was probably never one of DHS’ real and measurable objectives. Was such a document ever made public? I honestly don’t remember.


31 posted on 08/25/2012 6:11:13 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra
The salient point: they were 8 feet from him and hit 9 other people.

Good grief - I'm an ole great granny - tooka CC class a couple weeks ago - hadn't shot but about 10 rounds the week before - for over 50 years -

Shot 2 10-round clips with a pistol I'd never touched before - and was further away than these cops were. One round jammed - got off 19 shots. ALL on target - all would've been in 'critical mass." 8 in the center green circle,

geeze - I hope these officers are given some intensive range time - with moving targets.

32 posted on 08/25/2012 6:34:48 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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To: XXXoholic
All that and you didn’t once mention the 9 who were hit by the police.

Many other people were mentioning that. Doing so again did not seem to add to the discussion.

I do not expect perfection. Could they have done better? Probably, but it is easy to criticize after the fact. I do not know that I would have done better. I am told that you never know until it happens to you.

33 posted on 08/25/2012 6:36:33 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: servo1969; All

Maybe it’s time we got guns ‘off the street’ by taking them away from the police.

They can still defend themselves within the confines of the police station – as long as they lock up their guns separately from the ammo.


34 posted on 08/25/2012 6:42:57 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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>> 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire

9 victims hit by police gunfire shot the bystander.

Good lord.


35 posted on 08/25/2012 6:43:12 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Ken H

ahahahah - best laugh of the day! Thanks for the link!

moral: don’t mess with Grammas -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltT0H3XNmzg


36 posted on 08/25/2012 7:01:18 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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To: servo1969

Sounds like the Keystone Cops to me....


37 posted on 08/25/2012 7:09:41 PM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: servo1969

“Good shoot?”

It was a defensible shoot, but not a good one. Poor marksmanship most likely stemming from lousy training.

I guess NYPD has never heard of IDPA?


38 posted on 08/25/2012 7:37:30 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (WILLARD 2012 - It's not just a campaign, it's a conservative suicide pact!)
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To: servo1969

Anyone know what type of ammo NYPD uses?


39 posted on 08/25/2012 7:43:08 PM PDT by matt04
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To: LFOD

Explains why uncle Sam is buying 1 billion rounds of 9 mm ammo for their paramilitary forces...


40 posted on 08/25/2012 7:53:47 PM PDT by shotgun
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