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Obama calls for cars to get almost 55 mpg (Price of autos to increase by at least $3,000)
LA Times ^ | 8/28/2012 | Neela Banerjee

Posted on 08/29/2012 3:50:18 AM PDT by tobyhill

The Obama administration announced fuel economy standards Tuesday that would require car makers to almost double the average gas mileage for passenger vehicles to 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025.

The final rules mark the latest step in a lengthy campaign by the administration to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and oil consumption and are the highest fuel efficiency standards in U.S. history.

With an eye to the looming presidential election, the White House touted the standards as a boost for middle-class consumers. "These fuel standards represent the single most important step we've ever taken to reduce our dependence on foreign oil," President Obama said.

But the Romney campaign was quick to condemn the rules as impractical and harmful. "Gov. Romney opposes the extreme standards that President Obama has imposed, which will limit the choices available to American families," campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said.

While automobile manufacturers welcomed the new rules, auto dealers decried them. The dealers association contends that the 2025 rules would drive up the average vehicle sticker price by $3,000.

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1 posted on 08/29/2012 3:50:23 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Which, not incidentally, will pretty much kill off anything that isn’t a Volt, Prius, Leaf or similar - as these standards also apply to trucks and SUVs.


2 posted on 08/29/2012 3:52:32 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: tobyhill

The Communist/Marxist/Kenyan Tyrant will do to cars,
what he has done to gasoline and NASA.

They are to be ONLY for the Congress and Islam.


3 posted on 08/29/2012 3:57:24 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: tobyhill

Hey, why stop at 55? Why not go for 200mpg? If we’re gonna go for a pipe dream, let’s make it BIG!!


4 posted on 08/29/2012 3:58:21 AM PDT by SpartacusII
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To: Spktyr

No, it will kill the car. Period. This is a scheme to get us out of the rural areas and cram us into new projects where we can be “supervised” better...all in his commie-fascist dreams...


5 posted on 08/29/2012 3:58:21 AM PDT by Shady (The Tea Party is the Party of the American People, Working and creating wealth in SPITE of OBAMA!)
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To: Spktyr

just let all the air out of all the tires and you will get infinite miles per gallon!


6 posted on 08/29/2012 3:58:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: tobyhill

Those kind of cars were being built in 1952.

Does anybody remember the King Midget? Or maybe the original Fiat 500? If made small enough, or light enough, with a really tiny power plant (say about twelve horsepower or so), four-wheeled vehicles CAN get mileage up in that range.

Not so good for the everyday chores of life, though. And really dreadful when it comes to merging with traffic on the Outer Loop around Washington, DC.


7 posted on 08/29/2012 3:58:53 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are you better off than you were four years ago? Well, are you?)
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To: tobyhill

Did no one tell him the Volt is out of production?


8 posted on 08/29/2012 4:03:43 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Shady

No, this won’t kill the car.

The hike *after* this one will kill the car.


9 posted on 08/29/2012 4:05:20 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: jersey117

It’s back in production.


10 posted on 08/29/2012 4:05:57 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: alloysteel

And even worse if you cut someone off who is driving anything larger and they can’t stop.


11 posted on 08/29/2012 4:06:29 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: tobyhill
The administration says that at most, it could be as high as $1,800 and would likely be offset by $8,000 in gas savings over the lifetime of the vehicle.

My Saturn is 16 years old and I haven't even spent $8,000 on gas for it. This is simply another central planning failure being implemented by Obama. Another one-size-fits-all program. More car owners will be retired and putting fewer miles on their cars (like me) and this program will simply cost them more money to drive a new car so we won't buy them.

12 posted on 08/29/2012 4:08:13 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: tobyhill

The first car I ever ownedgot 58 miles per gallon.
It was a 24HP Volkswagon Beetle and all that I could afford. Every vehicle that I’ve owned since has gotten progressively less miles per gallon.
My current vehicle gets about 12MPG.


13 posted on 08/29/2012 4:10:11 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The First Amendment is a large caliber weapon. USE IT !!!)
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To: MulberryDraw

They mean $8,000 gas savings of gas at $10 a gallon, which is another one of their goals.


14 posted on 08/29/2012 4:13:04 AM PDT by Old_Grouch (65 and AARP-free. Monthly FR contributor.)
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To: tobyhill
With an eye to the looming presidential election, the White House touted the standards as a boost for middle-class consumers. "These fuel standards represent the single most important step we've ever taken to reduce our dependence on foreign oil," President Obama said.

This is Obama in a nutshell.

Middle-Class Consumers know what is good for them. Given a choice between an expensive car that gets fair milage and an expensive car that gets exceptional milage, most folks will do the math and buy the car that is cheapest to run. You can run a Chevy Malibu for the rest of your life and not save enough to recover the extra money you would have to pay for a Chevy Volt. Add in the time cost of money, the cost for increased maintenance and premature obsolescence, and you never get close to getting your money back.

Middle-Class Consumers understand this and are capable of making the best choice.

As far as reducing our dependence on foreign oil, how about letting us drill our own resources? How about Keystone XL? (Canada is not really what you would call foreign...)

15 posted on 08/29/2012 4:14:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: tobyhill

“The final rules mark the latest step in a lengthy campaign by the administration to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and oil consumption and are the highest fuel efficiency standards in U.S. history.”

***

BS. These rules are meant to kill off the middle class.


16 posted on 08/29/2012 4:15:11 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: SpartacusII
Hey, why stop at 55? Why not go for 200mpg? If we’re gonna go for a pipe dream, let’s make it BIG!!

Been there... Done that...

Remember, the Chevy Volt gets 230 MPG!!1!

17 posted on 08/29/2012 4:17:43 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Shady

I agree. But yea Romney is not conservative enough so its fine to not vote.
LOL
All these whiners on here won’t even see a country they recognize if zerO get’s another four years with his scheme of letting massive amounts of thugs from below the border in our country. Think the demographics now make it hard for a conservative to win? HA! Just wait.
Then again these whiners sit on their ass and do nothing to fix things, I bet they’d love for Ozero to get another term in order to give them something to complain about.


18 posted on 08/29/2012 4:18:08 AM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: alloysteel

For some reason small size doesn’t always translate to fuel efficiency, though. Take a look at a Smart Car on the road, for example, and notice how ridiculously small it is. Then realize that it isn’t even as fuel-efficient as a typical compact car like a Ford Focus or Honda Civic.


19 posted on 08/29/2012 4:23:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: tobyhill

Renault 4! Problem solved.


20 posted on 08/29/2012 4:23:49 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Shady

I believe that is very true. Public transportation, public assistance, ride the bus comrade, stand in the bread line comrade....

Of course the call for something in 2025 is ridiculous. We don’t have that long...


21 posted on 08/29/2012 4:30:43 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Molon Labbie

Prediction: Few of these cars will sell and the US roadway system will look like Havana by 2035 with mostly 20+ yo cars on the road. This asshat who has never done anything in his life except live in some city and be catered to by a band of renigade fanatics has not a clue about what US life is about.


22 posted on 08/29/2012 4:36:09 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: dinodino
Citroën 2CV Deux Chevaux! "It was designed to move the French peasantry on from horses and carts." Appropriate for us now more than ever as our overlords want to move all of us back to horses and carts.

When I worked in Chile in the mid-70s, the land was full of them. The noise and smell were wonderful.


23 posted on 08/29/2012 4:36:24 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: tobyhill
While automobile manufacturers welcomed the new rules, auto dealers decried them...

Auto makers love these rules because even though it increases their costs and limits their freedom, it protects them from competition. The only companies that will be able to compete at the 55 mpg level will be large manufacturers that have the engineering and research capabilities. The number of manufacturers will be reduced, many imports will be squeezed out (BMW, Mercedes, Land Rover, etc). They will have a captive market where they can charge whatever they want.

Of course, it won't work out that way.

Look at the Volt vs. the Chevy Malibu. The Malibu costs $23,000 and gets about 30 MPG. The Volt costs $52,000 and gets 55 MPG (I know, I know, but stick with me here...) That is an extra $29,000 a vehicle. In their dreams, the Auto Manufacturers think they are going to be able to charge $20,000 to $30,000 more per vehicle. What's not to love?

But nobody is buying the Chevy Volt. They know that if you drive 10,000 miles a year, that Volt is going to save you about $750 at the pump, and you are going to pay $250 of that back to your electric company. So at $500 a year, even without interest, it would take you 58 years to pay back the premium on the Volt. So people opt for the cheaper, less efficient alternative.

Once that alternative is legislated out of existance, they think we are going to be stuck paying the extra $29,000 for the Volt.

But people will just not do that. They will keep their old cars running forever or they will start driving trucks. But more likely still they will toss out the politicians who support such crap and eliminate the requirement.

24 posted on 08/29/2012 4:37:20 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Mouton
Prediction: Few of these cars will sell and the US roadway system will look like Havana by 2035 with mostly 20+ yo cars on the road. This asshat who has never done anything in his life except live in some city and be catered to by a band of renigade fanatics has not a clue about what US life is about.

Meanwhile, 90 miles South of Miami, it's still 1954, automotively speaking...

25 posted on 08/29/2012 4:43:20 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The 2CV is another good one, you’re right!


26 posted on 08/29/2012 4:44:48 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

I used to drive an old Renault 4 all over Kenya. What a great car! Of course it would be suicide on a modern US highway, but bumping along the back roads and rutted tracks of Kenya, it was perfect. I had that thing held together with wire and shoestings, and it never let me down.


27 posted on 08/29/2012 4:48:09 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Haiku Guy

I have an ‘89 GTL, which is the same old R4 but with electronic ignition and a slightly larger motor. It’s reallly a superb car—tres pratique!


28 posted on 08/29/2012 4:50:13 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: tobyhill

...require car makers to almost double the average gas mileage for passenger vehicles to 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025...


Don’t worry about 2025. Most of us will be living under a Marxist Socialist society by then (thanks to the RINO GOP and their selection of a loser for the 2013 election) and very few will have private transportation then. We will all use public transportation mandated by the communist government.


29 posted on 08/29/2012 4:50:15 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH

Correction: 2012 election, not 2013.

Woke up too early this morning and too much coffee.


30 posted on 08/29/2012 4:55:17 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: tobyhill

It’s going to force everyone to keep there cars longer. I used to buy a new vehicle every 4 years, now I keep them for 5 years. Looks like it’s going up to 6 or 7 years for me.


31 posted on 08/29/2012 4:55:59 AM PDT by NH Red
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To: tobyhill
Wise up, look behind the curtain, this is about government forcing the American people out of their cars and trucks. The Greens are driving this, man made global warming, and gaining control over who can drive.
32 posted on 08/29/2012 4:56:51 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: tobyhill

Don’t you love Central Planning!

Pray for America


33 posted on 08/29/2012 4:58:59 AM PDT by bray (The Gummit didn't make my business, God did!)
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To: Spktyr; Shady

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9msd7TZ-sk&feature=plcp


34 posted on 08/29/2012 4:59:56 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Shady
This is a scheme to get us out of the rural areas and cram us into new projects where we can be “supervised” better...all in his commie-fascist dreams...

That's a fact. All high fuel prices are attacks on rural people, family farm production, freedom of travel, and the ability to vote with your feet.

35 posted on 08/29/2012 5:01:28 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: alloysteel
...really tiny power plant (say about twelve horsepower or so)...

But they could be souped-up to 18 hp by hot rodders.

36 posted on 08/29/2012 5:07:14 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: tobyhill

Guess The First Dictator will get Californians to ride that ridiculous train-to-nowhere one way or another.


37 posted on 08/29/2012 5:07:46 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: tobyhill
The Obama administration announced fuel economy standards Tuesday that would require car makers to almost double the average gas mileage for passenger vehicles to 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025.

Didn't Zero announce new fuel economy standards a few months ago? Someone must've figured out that some of the auto makers could actually hit that target. So the administration, predictably, moves the goal posts.

Despicable.

38 posted on 08/29/2012 5:08:13 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Haiku Guy

this is the replacement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2010-2011_Suzuki_Alto_%28GF%29_GLX_hatchback_%282011-04-22%29.jpg


39 posted on 08/29/2012 5:11:51 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: SpartacusII

Why doesn’t he make it law that we all have to travel to work on skittle crapping unicorns?


40 posted on 08/29/2012 5:11:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: tobyhill

“Stroke of the pen, law of the land.”

How did we ever come to this?


41 posted on 08/29/2012 5:21:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: tobyhill

Why not 75 mpg? Or 100 mpg?


42 posted on 08/29/2012 5:41:58 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Molon Labbie
Public transportation, public assistance, ride the bus comrade, stand in the bread line comrade....

While our betters are chauffeured around in SUVs with armed security details. I'm sick of these b*st*rds!

43 posted on 08/29/2012 5:43:39 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Ask and it shall be granted:
44 posted on 08/29/2012 5:44:49 AM PDT by DManA
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To: tobyhill

It’s just a hidden tax. Of course they can’t make what Americans want to drive and get those mpg’s. Thus, if it doesn’t, they have a solution. Pay a gas guzzler tax. Yet another “use tax” hidden in plain sight.


45 posted on 08/29/2012 5:47:29 AM PDT by phalynx
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To: BuffaloJack

Hmmm My VW bug only got about 28 mpg with the 1300 cc engine.

Did yours have a 500 cc engine or something?


46 posted on 08/29/2012 5:48:17 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: tobyhill

There goal is to force more people to ride the bus and not own a car.


47 posted on 08/29/2012 5:59:52 AM PDT by stockpirate (Slaves to the collective! SCOTUS is just as corrupt as congress. IMPEACH ROBERTS!)
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To: listenhillary

He was smoking some good weed when he got that MPG!! Maybe it was a real long downhill stretch!! LOL!!!


48 posted on 08/29/2012 6:04:05 AM PDT by refermech
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To: tobyhill
With an eye to the looming presidential election, the White House touted the standards as a boost for middle-class consumers. "These fuel standards represent the single most important step we've ever taken to reduce our dependence on foreign oil," President Obama said.

True, the amount of oil consumed will be reduced, because the middle class will not be able to afford to buy these cars, so people will be doing less driving.

Mark

49 posted on 08/29/2012 6:07:11 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: tobyhill


Obama sets a good example

50 posted on 08/29/2012 6:09:40 AM PDT by Loud Mime (I'll claim I speak for God only after I do acid, a few lines of coke and half a bottle of bourbon.)
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