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Bicyclist shot after colliding with pickup truck in Taylor; Later dies during surgery
ClickonDetroit ^ | Aug 30 2012

Posted on 08/30/2012 4:24:05 AM PDT by equaviator

Police say pickup truck driver shot bicyclist after crash, altercation at Telegraph, Northline roads

TAYLOR, Mich. -

A bicyclist who was shot after being involved in a traffic accident with a pickup driver in Taylor has died.

Taylor police say the bicyclist died during surgery after the Wednesday night incident with a 46-year-old driver.

Police said the two began arguing after the bicyclist disregarded a "Do Not Cross" signal at Telegraph and Northline roads, causing the driver to hit him. Witnesses said the bicyclist got up and confronted the driver.

"The pedestrian light was red. He wasn't supposed to be crossing and ran into the side of the truck," said witness Michelle Noffsinger. "He jumped up, he got up, and he ran around the front of the truck to the driver's side and he just started pounding on this guy. He hit him ... maybe seven times or so, and then the driver shot him and he fell to the ground. It was just really crazy."

Witnesses told police the driver pulled a pistol and fired one round at the bicyclist, striking him in the chest. The motorist stayed at the scene until police arrived. He is being held pending any charges.

Police said they are still trying to identify the bicyclist. He is described as a white man between 35 and 40 years old with gray hair. He was riding a 10-speed bike.

Anyone with information on the crash, shooting and the bicyclist's identity is asked to contact the Taylor Police Department.


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To: wideawake

Probably because the law in that state may say that if you have the opportunity to avoid the fight (by driving away) that you are wrong to shoot.

On the other hand, it is against the law in every state to leave the scene of an accident and the penalties are draconian in most states.

So the lawyers will get to sort it out.

As for me, my sympathies are with the truck driver. Unless he ran the light, and there is nothing here to indicate that he did, the bike rider was way out of line to start a fight.


51 posted on 08/30/2012 6:37:09 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: MamaTexan
I agree.

When I go to the grocery store it is 2 lane, hills and curves with double line no passing all the way for 7 miles.

Without fail half way there I wind up having to follow some spandex clad faggot doing 10 mph for 3-4 miles.

They don't have sense enough pull over or even ride on the edge of the road to let you pass.

It's enough to make you want to start chewing tobacco again, so you can really soak them down when you do get to where you can pass.

52 posted on 08/30/2012 6:38:56 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: equaviator

A bicyclist is NOT a pedestrian

a Bicyclist is a legal operating vehicle on the road

traffic laws that apply to vehicles apply to bicycles, not pedestrians

I need to see a better description of the accident to make judgement because of this


53 posted on 08/30/2012 6:40:00 AM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: equaviator
"The pedestrian light was red. He wasn't supposed to be crossing and ran into the side of the truck," said witness Michelle Noffsinger. "He jumped up, he got up, and he ran around the front of the truck to the driver's side and he just started pounding on this guy. He hit him ... maybe seven times or so, and then the driver shot him and he fell to the ground. It was just really crazy."

It has nothing to do with bicycles. In fact, there's barely need of it being mentioned.

This is strictly an assault-and-battery case that turned out poorly for the batterer.

54 posted on 08/30/2012 6:40:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: x1stcav
Bicyclists are the among the most arrogant and sanctimonius bastards I know. They continually scoff at traffic regulations. They have their rights, you know.

If that's not the truth! I won't say this idiot "deserved" to be killed, but I sure don't feel any sympathy for him.

55 posted on 08/30/2012 6:44:38 AM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: equaviator
Police said the two began arguing after the bicyclist disregarded a "Do Not Cross" signal at Telegraph and Northline roads, causing the driver to hit him. Witnesses said the bicyclist got up and confronted the driver.

"The pedestrian light was red. He wasn't supposed to be crossing and ran into the side of the truck," said witness Michelle Noffsinger. "He jumped up, he got up, and he ran around the front of the truck to the driver's side and he just started pounding on this guy. He hit him ... maybe seven times or so, and then the driver shot him and he fell to the ground. It was just really crazy."

like a said, a cyclist is NOT a pedestrian, seems the writer of this article got it wrong claiming that pedestrian signs are something that a vehicle, that a cyclist is, is supposed to obey, but I would still like to see where he crossed and from where the truck came because it sounds like the cyclist had the right of way so far

56 posted on 08/30/2012 6:45:45 AM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: x1stcav
I’ve been waiting for this. Bicyclists are the among the most arrogant and sanctimonius bastards I know. They continually scoff at traffic regulations. They have their rights, you know.

I used to live on the northeast side of Tucson. When I drove home on Tanque Verde road there was always a group of those bastards blocking the road.

57 posted on 08/30/2012 6:46:31 AM PDT by saminfl
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To: cuban leaf

A Varsity would have smashed up the truck pretty good. They ran about 40 pounds.


58 posted on 08/30/2012 6:49:02 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: MamaTexan

“...they need to make sure the area is adequate for it and have their vehicles ‘taxed’ since they want to share the road.”

Amen! Getting to my house requires driving 6 miles on a narrow road. It has a wide dirt shoulder, but of course people who dress like French transvestites don’t want that...they want the pavement. Add in lots of dips and some turns, and you can be stuck behind Mr “I’ve got rights” for quite a way.

Technically, I have the right to ride my horse down the road too, but I don’t. On the shoulder, but not on the road. It wouldn’t occur to me to ride her down the center of the road and expect cars to wait for a safe place to pass my horse. But I wear T-shirts and jeans, so maybe I’m not as special as a French transvestite...


59 posted on 08/30/2012 6:49:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: PeteB570

Drivers licenses should be required to ride bicycles in traffic.


60 posted on 08/30/2012 6:54:49 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: RaceBannon

Telegraph road, in Taylor, is a 4 lane federal highway. Most likely the reason the witness mentioned that the pedestrian signal was red was because the bicyclist was riding on the sidewalk.


61 posted on 08/30/2012 6:57:01 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: saminfl

I used to condemn them for blocking the road, but in recent years I have realized that there is probably a reason for that.

When a lone bike rider is hugging the edge of the road, many drivers will try to squeeze between them and an oncoming vehicle, with the result that the car passing the bike rider gets really close to the bike rider. Too close for comfort.

So in blocking the lane, they force the vehicle to wait until there is no oncoming traffic.

Not that I agree with them, but only to recognize that there are vehicle drivers who will “squeeze”.

My biggest complaint with them is the stupid practice of riding in dark clothes on roads with lots of tree shadows. A driver in a spot of bright light, squinting because of the bright light, has a very hard time seeing a bike in the dark shadows.

It should be the law that all riders must wear a shirt or top of luminous green.

I have recently run up behind bike riders in dark blue riding within a half mile on the same route as a rider who was recently badly injured with the resulting uproar on the local editorial pages.....

That is stupid.


62 posted on 08/30/2012 6:57:59 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: RaceBannon
like a said, a cyclist is NOT a pedestrian, seems the writer of this article got it wrong claiming that pedestrian signs are something that a vehicle, that a cyclist is, is supposed to obey, but I would still like to see where he crossed and from where the truck came because it sounds like the cyclist had the right of way so far

This sounds to me like the cyclist did not have the ROW. Pedestrian lights normally are set to allow the pedestrians to in the same direction as the road traffic so if the pedestrian signal was red most likely the travel lane was red too. Seems to me like the cyclist ran the light and t-boned the truck, then he tried to beat the driver. It seems to me like he made two very bad choices and paid for those bad choices with his life.

63 posted on 08/30/2012 7:03:29 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: equaviator

Sounds like self-defense to me. No-bill the driver.


64 posted on 08/30/2012 7:05:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Mad Dawg

to ALL:

While, as in any sub-culture, there is some sort of definable distribution regarding any behavior or characteristic, that group known collectively as “serious bikers” has a DEMONSTRABLE skew in the behavior characteristics we could label as “civilized behavior”.

While I applaud the posters here who claim to seriously try to behave well while riding, most people who have encountered the biker riding an expensive umpteen speed cycle, wholly encased in spandex, whose feet are “inconveniently” clipped to their pedals, will freely attest to the rude, essentially obnoxious actions by the HUGE MAJORITY of male AND female adults riding bikes.

I won’t even open the issue of the political leanings of, (again), the HUGE MAJORITY of serious bikers - it’s unnecessary because their basic behavior is so anti-social (albeit, such behavior and political leanings are closely related for the most part).


65 posted on 08/30/2012 7:12:05 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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To: norton

If the cyclist was riding on the street, he is a traffic vehicle, not a pedestrian.

If he went around and assaulted the driver, he’s damned stupid.


66 posted on 08/30/2012 7:12:55 AM PDT by Loud Mime (I'll claim I speak for God only after I do acid, a few lines of coke and half a bottle of bourbon.)
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To: equaviator

Let it be a lesson to the bike riding public.
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Let it be a lesson to the PUBLIC.

If you desire to go up to someone and start pounding the snot out of them - no matter what the reason - chances are good that you may assume room temperature.

Same goes if one decides to wave a gun in another ones face - don’t ‘cry’ when the assaulted shoots you.

Just one of ‘lessons of life’, which really isn’t fair and being stupid doesn’t increase your odds to survive.


67 posted on 08/30/2012 7:22:04 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Mr Rogers

‘people who dress like French transvestites’

One of the better lines on FR lately. I feel compelled to borrow it from you.


68 posted on 08/30/2012 7:24:00 AM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: ichabod1
Drivers licenses should be required to ride bicycles in traffic.

Or at least a death certificate.

69 posted on 08/30/2012 7:32:59 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Quit poking holes in the life raft!)
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To: old curmudgeon

As a dedicated cyclist I refuse to ride the streets. Luckily the area I live in has numerious dedicated bike paths, several hundred miles of them all told, that provide for car free/safe two lane traffic while, at the same time, giving a sort of a “wilderness in the city” experience.

I’ve encountered everything from mountain lions to rattlesnakes, coyotes to Canada geese, trophy sized deer to rapid running ground squirels, and pheasants to wild turkeys while riding the trails which are laid in “green belt” areas that surround the local rivers, streams, and creeks.

The bike trails are very popular and very crowded on the weekends, though on the less popular weekdays you may feel at times as though you’ve stumbled onto the start of the Tour de France, after being passed by “drafting” teams in full team regalia, riding at speeds well above the 15 MPH posted trail speed limit!

Nope you won’t find me riding any of the city streets! Those big bumpered cars, traveling at speeds much faster than I can spin, can have ‘em without me!.....


70 posted on 08/30/2012 7:47:09 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: cuban leaf

“10-speed bike...schwinn varsity...”

Good point. I had one of these in the 60’s. It must have been an older model street bike. The models I’ve seen today are either 3x7 or 3x8, not 2x5.


71 posted on 08/30/2012 7:48:50 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: cuban leaf

that was my question, i would think a guy on a ten speed wouldnt be much of a threat, its those tweeked out fixed gear riders you need to be worried about!


72 posted on 08/30/2012 7:49:04 AM PDT by Docbarleypop
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To: cuban leaf

i used to race semi-pro events so i have a few miles under me, ive been run off the road intentionally, hit half a dozen times, had beer bottles thrown at me (Georgia) and even been hit by a van with a “start seeing motorcycles” bumper, but never would i have gone after a person in a vehicle. while i reserve the right to ride my bicycle on the road, it is also my job to protect myself.


73 posted on 08/30/2012 8:05:14 AM PDT by Docbarleypop
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To: equaviator

I remember bicyclists blasting through red lights when I lived in Tulsa. It appears that red lights do not apply to bicyclists. Glad I and others around had good brakes.

Never trust a bicyclist.


74 posted on 08/30/2012 8:09:22 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: equaviator

Police said they are still trying to identify the bicyclist. He is described as a white man between 35 and 40 years old with gray hair. He was riding a 10-speed bike.

Any bets on his political registration?


75 posted on 08/30/2012 8:28:49 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Dear Urban Cyclists: Go Play in Traffic

The bicycle is a parody of a wheeled vehicle—a donkey cart without the cart, where you do the work of the donkey.

A fibrosis of bicycle lanes is spreading through the cities of the world. The well-being of innocent motorists is threatened as traffic passageways are choked by the spread of dull whirs, sharp whistles and sanctimonious pedal-pushing.

Almost everything that travels on a city street, including some of the larger people in the crosswalks, can crush a bicycle. Everything that protrudes from or into a city street—pot holes, pavement cracks, manhole covers—can send a bicycle flying into the air.

Given that riding a bike in a city is insane and that very few cities need more insane people on their streets, why the profusion of urban bike lanes? One excuse for bike lanes is that an increase in bicycle riding means a decrease in traffic congestion. A visit to New York—or Bogotá—gives the lie to this notion. You can't decrease traffic congestion by putting things in the way of traffic.

Bike lane advocates also claim that bicycles are environmentally friendly, producing less pollution and fewer carbon emissions than automobiles. But bicycle riders do a lot of huffing and puffing, exhaling large amounts of CO2. And whether a bicycle rider, after a long bicycle ride, is cleaner than the exhaust of a modern automobile is open to question.

Bike lanes violate a fundamental principle of democracy. We, the majority who do not ride bicycles, are being forced to sacrifice our left turns, parking places and chances to squeeze by delivery trucks so that an affluent elite can feel good about itself for getting wet, cold, tired and run-over. Our tax dollars are being used to subsidize our annoyance.

Bicycle riders must be made to bear the burden of this special-interest boondoggle. Bicycle registration fees should be raised until they produce enough revenue to build and maintain new expressways so that drivers can avoid city streets clogged by bike lanes. Special rubber fittings should be made available so that bicycle riders can wear E-ZPass transponders on their noses. And riders' license qualifications should be rigorous, requiring not only written exams and road tests but also bathroom scales. No should be allowed on a bicycle if the view he or she presents from behind causes the kind of hysterical laughter that stops traffic.

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76 posted on 08/30/2012 8:29:19 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: JimRed

Crazy with a sense of entitlement and a willingness to use violence without just cause. Clearly a Tea Party member. /s


77 posted on 08/30/2012 8:30:06 AM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: nonsporting
3x7 or 3x8, not 2x5.

3x7-8 are typically cheap mountain bikes. The standards for road bikes are now 2x10 and 2x11. Yep, 11 gears on the cassette alone, with two up front.

78 posted on 08/30/2012 8:44:19 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: equaviator

Yep, this thread was pretty much as I thought. Only half-a-dozen comments on the actual assault, but the ignorati came out in droves to express their &#(#! ^&% opinions on bicycles and spandex.


79 posted on 08/30/2012 8:47:25 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: equaviator
The main artery that goes through the mountains in our area has turned into a playground on the weekends for bicycler's and Japanese race bikes that come up from Atlanta to test their skills. We don't like to take that route on the weekend if we can help it, there are countless stories of close calls but the worst was the time I was passing a bicycler in my lane when a car in oncoming traffic was passing a bicycler at the same time. Did some stunt driving that day.

We had to go south to a birthday party last Sunday and the mountain was full of bicyclers, mostly women which is something new we've noticed. One girl stayed in the middle of the lane all the way down with a line of traffic following her, it was insane.

80 posted on 08/30/2012 8:51:28 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: ichabod1

I would guess that 99% of bicyclists have drivers licenses. I’m licensed to drive vehicles under 26K and motorcycles, so I don’t think I’d have a problem getting a bicycle license.


81 posted on 08/30/2012 8:51:37 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: cuban leaf

“Bike must have been a Schwinn Varsity”

I’m thinking Schwinn Continental...It’s more worldy and sophisticated sounding.


82 posted on 08/30/2012 8:57:45 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: cuban leaf
cuban leaf wrote: "Yeah. The article itself said the bicyclist ran a red and t-boned the vehicle."

I'm not so sure...

The witness said the pedestrian light was red - not the traffic light. A bicycle has the same rights to the road as any other vehicle, and the same responsibility to follow the traffic signs and lights. In this case, it seems that the witness thought that the bike was in the wrong because of the pedestrian light aspect. There are times at intersections that pedestrian lights are red and the main traffic signal is still green. That doesn't make the cyclist in the wrong. I'd need to see more info from the police report.

That said, he was an idiot for getting into a physical confrontation with the driver.

83 posted on 08/30/2012 9:27:14 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Moose4

People forget that most bicyclists are drivers too. As a driver I have come across cyclists like the ones you mentioned. I am always sorely tempted...

BTW, I rode the Seattle to Portland every year between 1991 and 2006. You guys make it possible.


84 posted on 08/30/2012 9:29:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: equaviator

One less bike rider who thinks he owns the road.


85 posted on 08/30/2012 9:30:09 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: wideawake
wideawake wrote: Yet I routinely see cyclists riding on the highway shoulder anyway when they are 30 feet away from a dedicated, deluxe bikepath.

I ride close to 30 miles an hour. Bicycle and jogging paths are not made for cyclists - they're built for leisure riders, kids, and joggers, all of whom don't want high speed riders zooming past them.

86 posted on 08/30/2012 9:33:18 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: nonsporting

My road bike is 2x9


87 posted on 08/30/2012 9:40:21 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Docbarleypop

I cracked up reading that.

I gotta tell you the saddest case of me being hit was on a commute. It was a spectacular summer day and the traffic was dead stopped. I’m zinging by in the bike lane and a guy in a gorgeous red Porsche Carrera has had it and decides to turn right into a side area just as I come up on him (no signal or anything, just really abrupt). I hit the side of his car and my pedal is stuck coming up on the top inside his wheel well. I hear a crunch as I force it through the fender to keep from going down.

I didn’t even slow down and rode on home. I didn’t want the hassle.


88 posted on 08/30/2012 9:45:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Magnatron

Yeah. Good catch. That being said, if the bike had a green light, it means the guy in the truck was running a red light.


89 posted on 08/30/2012 9:47:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Lakeshark; Borax Queen; null and void

Do you have any idea how hard it is to train a bicycle to do that to it’s rider?


90 posted on 08/30/2012 12:40:11 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: equaviator

Sounds like a good shoot and a misleading headline.


91 posted on 08/30/2012 2:04:01 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Viva Christo Rey)
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To: Magnatron

“That said, he was an idiot for getting into a physical confrontation with the driver.”

Yeah, for a minute there he was lucky to be alive but then he totally blew it.


92 posted on 08/30/2012 2:46:59 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: KarlInOhio
"Just being dead won't necessarily stop him from voting."

A guy at work told me, "I will never vote Democratic as long as I am alive, after that, all bets are off."

93 posted on 08/30/2012 4:46:50 PM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: cuban leaf

I always had a lot of respect for people who could do those bike tours. The area where I lived (around Lynchburg) was hilly and some of those tours went into some serious climbs and descents. Me, I was just the big fat dude with a radio and a pickup truck who picked up the ones that couldn’t make it. :)

It wasn’t always safe, either. One guy died of a heart attack on one of the rides (”dead before he hit the ground,” was what I heard later from one of the EMTs). Another missed a downhill curve at 40 mph, went head-on into a guardrail, tore a huge gash in his midsection going *over* said guardrail, went about 10’ down an embankment, landed on a tree stump butt-first and cracked his pelvis. But at least the tree stump kept him from rolling at least another hundred feet down a 70-degree slope. Amazingly enough, I never remember hearing of a car/bike crash, though I do remember at least one cyclist running afoul of somebody’s hound dawg.

Some of those guys rode those Saturday charity rides like it was the Tour de France.

}:-)4


94 posted on 08/30/2012 4:47:41 PM PDT by Moose4 (...and walk away.)
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To: Mad Dawg
"Why I won’t join a bicycling club.

I’m waiting at a light after dark. It turns green. As I press my accelerator. "

You don't have a bicycle?

95 posted on 08/30/2012 4:51:19 PM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: RaceBannon
"I need to see a better description of the accident to make judgement because of this"

The guy was on a bicycle, he was no doubt a Spandex wearing liberal. What else do you need? /s

The only thing lots of people on this thread seem to regret, is they didn't do the shooting.

96 posted on 08/30/2012 5:10:47 PM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: HangThemHigh

I ride my bike a lot, and I am no where near spandex
and I think the cyclists down here are insane, they take over the road and complain when you pass them

so are the drivers, they slow down to yoour speed instead of just pass you


97 posted on 08/30/2012 5:40:26 PM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: pennyfarmer
I commute by bike and yes I blow stop signs and traffic lights. If there is a car in the intersection I will stop for 4 ways. I always proceed with caution.

I also commute by bike, 30 mile round trip about 20-25% of the working days of the year.

While I appreciate your honesty, it is frustrating and disappointing to hear your cavalier approach to trafffic regulations.

Same road, same rules, same rights.

Clipping out and back in won't kill you, and you set a bad example when you flout the rules.

98 posted on 08/30/2012 6:01:35 PM PDT by Castlebar
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To: RaceBannon

I ride a bike too, a lot. And wear Spandex. I may roll through a stop sign to avoid unclipping my pedals, but I always stop for red lights.

What surprises me is the hate you get for getting out and getting some exercise, even when you are courteous and try to minimize your impact upon others on the road. This thread is a good example, feel the love.


99 posted on 08/30/2012 6:34:36 PM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: HangThemHigh

Yeah. I wasn’t riding that night.


100 posted on 08/30/2012 6:52:17 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Depone serpentem et ab veneno gradere.)
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