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FACT CHECK: Ryan takes factual shortcuts in speech
Associated Press ^ | August 30, 2012 | By JACK GILLUM

Posted on 08/30/2012 5:15:36 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

WASHINGTON (AP) — Laying out the first plans for his party's presidential ticket, GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan took some factual shortcuts Wednesday night when he attacked President Barack Obama's policies on Medicare, the economic stimulus and the budget deficit.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bias; journalism; media; mediapac
A biased hack piece.
1 posted on 08/30/2012 5:15:43 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

AP = American Pravda.


2 posted on 08/30/2012 5:17:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

That’s right the country is not more in debt and not losing jobs.. It’s all a big lie.

:eye roll:


3 posted on 08/30/2012 5:18:33 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Chelsea Grunwald‏@chelseagrunwald I'm from Janesville, WI. My entire family lives there. I know when the GM plant closed. Obama was definitely in office

This was a tweet among many disputing this. Check twitchy too.

5 posted on 08/30/2012 5:20:46 AM PDT by republicangel
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To: Diogenesis

GREAT! I have not seen it before.


6 posted on 08/30/2012 5:22:16 AM PDT by BilLies (FOX Radio, Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Take a look at the diversion here:

RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."
THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

They're saying that Ryan shouldn't play the game the way the rules ended up, because he was against the rules that were made.

That's like saying that the Cardinals shouldn't use a designated hitter when playing in Texas Stadium, because the Cardinals don't like the DH rule.

If they rule that the trough is open, then you are NOT a hypocrite if you go feeding, even if you voted to close the trough.

7 posted on 08/30/2012 5:23:35 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler

I dunno. Spending what? $60 billion, maybe upwards of $100 billion of the taxpayers' money to create a company with market cap of $33 billion does not particularly strike me as sound financial policy. Revitalized? Sort of like welfare recipients are 'revitalized' on the third of every month.

8 posted on 08/30/2012 5:28:15 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I often wonder how the AP and the rest of the MSM plan to regain their credibility once Obunghole is out.


9 posted on 08/30/2012 5:28:57 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Izzy Dunne
I remember some years ago when a Virginia governor wanted to opt out of going after some federal money (education related, I think) that he had been against. The hue-and-cry rose from the predictable banshees about how unthinkable it was that he wouldn't go after the state's "share." Of course, he relented and went after the money. Undoubtedly it was spent with little noticeable effect... But, but, but, it was "for the children."

Bah...
10 posted on 08/30/2012 5:35:53 AM PDT by BWDog
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To: Diogenesis

Ramirez always says it best!


11 posted on 08/30/2012 5:39:55 AM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; All
AP.. says it all; ALL POOP...
any moron; could post the that "news service"

12 posted on 08/30/2012 5:54:41 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: jospehm20
when did that happen? ...creditable for MSM.
they're a wholly owned creature, of the Democrat Party.
mouthpiece

13 posted on 08/30/2012 6:02:11 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: Travis McGee

I’ve been reading the headline on these posts, and then checking WHO posted them. When I read (i.e.) it is AP or the NYSlimes, or CBS, I know INSTANTLY what they will be propogandizing.
Frankly, I am quite sad to be consistently correct in my advance thinking. I’m beginning to think that these “columns” are being written 45 minutes BEFORE the speeches are delivered.


14 posted on 08/30/2012 6:04:26 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: snarkytart
Because nations lose their AAA credit rating for being fiscally responsible!!!!

Oh wait......NO they don't!

15 posted on 08/30/2012 6:10:10 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Does anyone believe these ‘fact check’ things anymore? On either side, but particularly with the DNC Press issuing releases for the Obama campaign?


16 posted on 08/30/2012 6:10:50 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: Diogenesis

That pretty much says it all and illustrates why the MSM is our #1 enemy!


17 posted on 08/30/2012 6:11:59 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Jack Gillum
Associated Press

JGillum@ap.org


18 posted on 08/30/2012 6:12:40 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jospehm20

“I often wonder how the AP and the rest of the MSM plan to regain their credibility once Obunghole is out.”

____

I don’t think its possible.


19 posted on 08/30/2012 6:25:47 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Travis McGee

“Fact-checking” is a mechanism created by the liberal media to reinforce its own beliefs (as those beliefs are examined under the light of day). The “fact-checkers” are of the same ilk as the liberal media but, typically, call themselves “independent”. It’s simply more of the same smoke screen to disguise the true intent: fairness through Socialism...


20 posted on 08/30/2012 6:41:50 AM PDT by Kaneman (Santorum prevails, come hither and yon...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Good. There is a direct relationship between the effectiveness of anything the Romney/Ryan campaign does and the frequency, anger, volume and shrillness of the MSM’s negative analyses. This measure beats polls any day.


21 posted on 08/30/2012 6:41:52 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Laying out the first plans for his party's presidential ticket, GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan took some factual shortcuts Wednesday night when he attacked President Barack Obama's policies on Medicare, the economic stimulus and the budget deficit.

Does anyone other than the "pencil necks" themselves, take them seriously? Especially with their petty claims, weak sources, and stretches. I do not like to be told what is and is not important to an issue. I like to decide myself, not listen to people with questionable motives.

The MSM also claims that it is objective and unbiased. Ha ha!

22 posted on 08/30/2012 6:43:09 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Since when does AP care about “short cuts”? LOL This is the best they have.


23 posted on 08/30/2012 6:43:36 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Walker handled himself well on the “facts”, showing disdain for the MSNBC goblins that attacked him about this after Ryan’s speech. It was surreal to watch as they gang banged on him. Why they allow themselves to be interviewed by anyone there is beyond me. Priebus was called a liar and racist by Matthews just a few days ago and yet they subject themselves to this treatment. Condi handled herself well under attack too. That womanly man at MSNBC leading the charge dedicated many a show to cast aspersions on Walker when he was being recalled and during that election process and he still took to the mike to be abused. Boggles my mind. He is a better man than I to tempt fate, but he clearly stood his ground but nevertheless I am sure she will dedicate more shows and use his words and pound the word liar upon him over and over.


24 posted on 08/30/2012 6:47:25 AM PDT by commonguymd (New media has not replaced the MSM. It has emboldened it. Never underestimate the power they have.)
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To: jospehm20

“I often wonder how the AP and the rest of the MSM plan to regain their credibility once Obunghole is out.”

You would think they would love to always have republicans in power. It is the only time they do investigative journalism. The only time they work instead of passing tweets is when they can uncover some republican scandal.


25 posted on 08/30/2012 6:56:18 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: jimbo123

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9kOP8ORAK0

Esrskin Bowles on why Obama did not pursue the plan : POLITICS


26 posted on 08/30/2012 6:58:21 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: jospehm20

I wonder how much the dinosaur media gets from us the US taxpayers through the government.

One of the first things Ryan needs to look at is where the taxpayer’s money is going for.

If there is media money, it needs to stop just like the Planned Parentless group.


27 posted on 08/30/2012 7:00:21 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
That was written by an Axelrod staffer. Bet on it. I will pull one section. Tell me Democratic staff didn't write this:

"Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler."

The second sentence has no bias at all, right? No agenda there.

First, the GM bailout under Bush was after the Obama election, and was done (much to my chagrine) at Obama's urging. Stupidly, the GOP bought into it, and laid the ground work for justification in later bailout.

Secoondly, stating that it was the SECOND bailout that 'worked' is a stretch, and pure Obama-propaganda.

28 posted on 08/30/2012 7:01:02 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

NONE of these are disputed, its just spin. The AP can bite me


29 posted on 08/30/2012 7:02:08 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: ilgipper

Also, the Bush auto “bailout” was a loan not a direct transfer of US taxpayer funds to union thugs, the directed shutdown of independent dealerships, and the creation of an auto “Tsar” that demanded GM manufacture the flamable Volt.


30 posted on 08/30/2012 7:06:25 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: commonguymd

The very fact that Walker was on her program was defiant proof that he had won, and she had lost. His very presence was a poke in her eye. Just him Being There was rubbing it in.

But, yeah, there is absolutely no point in any republican worth his name to show up on MSLSD. Just save your breath. They’re un-educable.


31 posted on 08/30/2012 7:06:55 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

32 posted on 08/30/2012 7:08:27 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Democrats new name = The CSPT - The Communist/Satanic/Pervert/Treason Party)
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To: jospehm20
I often wonder how the AP and the rest of the MSM plan to regain their credibility once Obunghole is out.

Wrong question.

I often wonder if the AP and the rest of the MSM doesn't give a s*** if they have zero credibility and are clearly members of the Democrat National Committee, outright, parroting every talking point a Dem puts out and making inane (and insane) observations about so-called Republican "failings" with an obvious double-standard and pure hypocrisy that Pravda, itself, would be ashamed of?

Actually, no, even that question is wrong. It should not be a question, it should be a clear statement of fact.

33 posted on 08/30/2012 7:09:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Travis McGee

“THE FACTS: Ryan’s claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.”

The AP and the rest of the media propaganda machine usee this same line to overlook Obama’s cuts.

I wish I could confront this idiot from the AP in person as well as others in the State Controlled media and ask them this. If a Doctor, Hospital, or any other provider all the sudden STOPS TAKING MEDICARE because the cost of accepting it makes it cost prohibitive and you as a Medicare Recipients suddenly lose your favorite provider, are you NOT EFFECTING Medicare Recipients?

What a bunch of mindless MORONS we have in the American Media today!!!!!!


34 posted on 08/30/2012 7:11:20 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The donkeys down at the Ass. Press are getting worried. Who is “fact checking” the Ass. Press?


35 posted on 08/30/2012 7:11:55 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Had enough of the freaks running the show yet?)
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To: A'elian' nation
You would think they would love to always have republicans in power. It is the only time they do investigative journalism. The only time they work instead of passing tweets is when they can uncover some republican scandal.

These useful idiots don't want to actually work...they prefer sitting on their collective azzes taking their DNC/Axelrod talking points and regurgitating them about the MSM.

When Rush plays his MSM montages of these creeps, it's obvious they don't have to do much thinking or "work".

36 posted on 08/30/2012 7:12:37 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Ryan told the truth and nailed obama to the cross.


37 posted on 08/30/2012 7:13:04 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Mr Rogers

“Does anyone believe these ‘fact check’ things anymore? “

Those that pay attention part of the time believe them. Fact checked? They must know what they are talking about.

Snopes is still the final word according to many.


38 posted on 08/30/2012 7:13:53 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Lazamataz

I can almost be certain we will not see any fact checking next week during the Rat meeting. No, on second thought, I think we will. The crAP and the rest of the state controlled media will factcheck every speaker from I want my birth control for free and spoiled brat Sandra Fluke to The One himself and declare everything stated as TRUE.

There we have it folks. Modern day fact checking by the State Controlled media. The old Soviet Pravda Editors would be proud of our media today.


39 posted on 08/30/2012 7:17:58 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If this came from a reputable news source I might take notice, but since it’s the ap ..............


40 posted on 08/30/2012 7:27:47 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

WHAT republican idiot(s) allowed CNN and MsNbc to host the republican convention.?.

Must be a shill(s) for the democrats.......
More biased coverage you could not get..

Even CSPAN was very weak in coverage..


41 posted on 08/30/2012 7:32:17 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Stupid article. Nothing but an “I know you are but what am I” nonsense.


42 posted on 08/30/2012 7:36:28 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So Ryan represents 0.23% fo the population and requested 0.0025% of the $800 Billion dollar stimulus so he is equally guilty for all the sins of the stimulus boondogle. It looks like he should have requested 100 times more just to get his “Fair Share”.


43 posted on 08/30/2012 8:23:27 AM PDT by CMAC51
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