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Yes, Paul Ryan Spoke the Truth About Obama's Fiscal Record at the Republican Convention
Forbes ^ | 8/30/2012 | Avik Roy

Posted on 08/30/2012 7:30:55 AM PDT by Qbert

Progressive bloggers and TV personalities are up in arms about Paul Ryan’s speech at the Republican National Convention last night. Several of their accusations revolve around Paul Ryan’s own fiscal record, and his description of President Obama’s. I asked my liberal friends on Twitter to send me an itemized list of Ryan’s alleged lies, and they kindly obliged. So far, Ryan appears to have the better of the argument.

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Dave Weigel of Slate compiled a useful list. (For a longer one, visit ThinkProgress.) Wrote Weigel, “Ryan plowed through one of the more impressive strings of whoppers we’ve seen at this level,” wrote Weigel. Here are his complaints, in order of importance.

Charge #1: Paul Ryan accused Obama of cutting Medicare by $716 billion, but Ryan’s own budget preserved those cuts.

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APOTHEFACT JUDGMENT: Ryan is correct. Ryan makes the appropriate distinction between improving Medicare’s solvency and cutting its spending to fund spending elsewhere.

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Charge #2: Paul Ryan criticized Obama for ignoring the recommendations of the Simpson-Bowles deficit commission. But Ryan voted against those recommendations himself.

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It’s true that Paul Ryan voted against the Simpson-Bowles recommendations. He did so because Simpson-Bowles raised taxes while doing little to nothing about health-care spending, the biggest driver of growing deficits. However, by rejecting Simpson-Bowles, Ryan felt morally obligated to put forth his own plan, and did so—several times, in the form of his Path to Prosperity and his 2011 and 2012 House budget resolutions.

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By contrast, President Obama scuttled a bipartisan Congressional deal to achieve long-term fiscal reform.

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APOTHEFACT JUDGMENT: Ryan is correct. Ryan’s credibility on deficit reduction is on the record, and has been endorsed by prominent Democrats. By contrast, Obama’s FY 2013 budget didn’t garner a single vote in Congress.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012rncconvention; obama; rncconvention; ryan
The leftists are also bleating away about Ryan's supposed "lies" about the GM Janesville plant- Twitchy has a good summary, and smackdown of the left's talking points on that issue.
1 posted on 08/30/2012 7:31:00 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Yes, the left is spinning like that proverbial Maytag on crack that we keep hearing about. That’s a sure sign they feel the damage.

Notice who we are NOT hearing from? Debbie WS, Axe, Burton, Messina, Stephanie Cutter,,,where did all the lying liars go?


2 posted on 08/30/2012 7:38:36 AM PDT by austinaero (Obama or America - can't have both)
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To: Qbert
So, a lefty friend of mine just posted this tirade....is there any truth to what she's saying?

It's frightening on every level for a woman if Mitt Romeny and Paul Ryan get elected. We might as well move to Afghanistan. They are planning on incorporating a constitutional ban on abortions in almost ALL cases, including rape and incest. How truly disgusting is that? So, they are saying that if a woman gets raped they are going to force her to have the baby if one is conceived?

I highly doubt it, but I'd like some other input. Thanks.

3 posted on 08/30/2012 7:39:16 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Qbert

It’s like Obama took the National Credit Card and immediately ran to the mall with it and hasn’t stopped charging things to it.


4 posted on 08/30/2012 7:41:25 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The First Amendment is a large caliber weapon. USE IT !!!)
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To: Puppage

I’d start by asking your left friend for her source.


5 posted on 08/30/2012 7:42:08 AM PDT by austinaero (Obama or America - can't have both)
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To: Qbert
Charge #2: Paul Ryan criticized Obama for ignoring the recommendations of the Simpson-Bowles deficit commission. But Ryan voted against those recommendations himself. [Snip] It’s true that Paul Ryan voted against the Simpson-Bowles recommendations. He did so because Simpson-Bowles raised taxes while doing little to nothing about health-care spending, the biggest driver of growing deficits. However, by rejecting Simpson-Bowles, Ryan felt morally obligated to put forth his own plan, and did so—several times, in the form of his Path to Prosperity and his 2011 and 2012 House budget resolutions.

And besides that, the Simpson-Bowles plan was the one that emerged, so the greater point is Obama didn't bother to push for its implementation.

6 posted on 08/30/2012 7:42:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: Qbert
Doesn't matter. The story that Ryan lied is out on the AP feed, picked up by Yahoo, MSN, and every other lazy-assed "news" organization then published far and wide, in both print and electrons. The leftists would be bleating regardless of the veracity of Ryan's claims, but now it is in the national consciousness that he's just another racist, lying Republican.

These rebuttals are preaching to the choir, never traveling beyond the hyper-political conservative blog-o-sphere. The average news consumer, who just glances at headlines and accepts them as fact, will believe them without question since it fits so neatly into the convenient narrative the LSM has been crafting for the last 4 years.

7 posted on 08/30/2012 7:42:50 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
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To: Qbert
Twitchy says:
Oops...
We couldn't find what you were looking for.
8 posted on 08/30/2012 7:43:28 AM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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Paul Ryan really turned me on last night. Perhaps the best speaker so far. I say ‘perhaps’ because I'm not sure it was better then Mia Love's speech. If all black America’s had her attitude, they would be a whole lot better off today then they are. (Interesting, MSNBC did not televise her speech, could there be some racial discrimination going on here?). Now Mitt Romney's turn is next, it had better be real good. But for some reason Mia Love reminds me of Sara Palin.
9 posted on 08/30/2012 7:45:10 AM PDT by Vinylly
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To: mountn man

This link should work:

http://twitchy.com/2012/08/30/obama-lied-about-janesville-gm-auto-plant-not-ryan/


10 posted on 08/30/2012 7:45:17 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Puppage

Ask her how they are going to do that. They can’t pass a constitutional amendment by themselves.


11 posted on 08/30/2012 7:46:11 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Puppage
Ridiculous.

First, tell your ignorant friend president's don't get to change the Constitution at their whim. If they could, our current boy-king would have dispensed with that inconvenient document 4 years ago.

To do what she suggests would require a Constitutional ammendment. The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. None of the 27 amendments to the Constitution have been proposed by constitutional convention.

So the Congress proposes an amendment in the form of a joint resolution. Since the President does not have a constitutional role in the amendment process, the joint resolution does not go to the White House for signature or approval. A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States).

Basically your dumb-assed friend needs to grow up and learn how her government actually works. Only then will she be capable of rejecting the hysterical hyperbole constantly spewed by the unhinged commies. Or she can go spend a year in Afghanistan - either tack will gain her a greater appreciation for her sorry life here in America.

12 posted on 08/30/2012 7:51:47 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
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To: liberty_lvr

"Doesn't matter. The story that Ryan lied is out on the AP feed, picked up by Yahoo, MSN, and every other lazy-assed "news" organization then published far and wide, in both print and electrons... These rebuttals are preaching to the choir, never traveling beyond the hyper-political conservative blog-o-sphere. The average news consumer, who just glances at headlines and accepts them as fact, will believe them without question since it fits so neatly into the convenient narrative the LSM has been crafting for the last 4 years."

Then your job- and our job- is to counter the lies. We're not going to change the minds of the narcissistic, hardcore leftists- but open-minded people will listen and can be swayed. (I know this from personal experience- it surprised me, in fact).

13 posted on 08/30/2012 7:53:18 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: KansasGirl

Hysterical liberal females don’t understand how laws and policies are made, or choose not to understand.

At the time the Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial birth abortion, that brilliant liberal mind, Rosie O’Donnell, said that it’s as if Roe vs. Wade never happened. Of course that’s far from true, but that’s what Rosie thinks.

And another great liberal thinker, Roseanne Barr, was similarly shocked at the court upholding the ban on partial birth abortion. She said, what’s next, they are going to take away women’s right to vote?

Of course, we all know Roseanne Barr’s right to vote is guaranteed by the 19th amendment, but, a hysterical mind equates any limits of any kind on abortion with dismantling ALL rights of women under the law. It’s quite a stretch, but that’s how the most extreme liberals think.


14 posted on 08/30/2012 7:56:10 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: liberty_lvr; austinaero
tell your ignorant friend president's don't get to change the Constitution at their whim.

Oh, I did.

I’d start by asking your left friend for her source.

I did that, too.....no answer on both. Typical.

15 posted on 08/30/2012 7:59:28 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Qbert
Interesting that Fox News seemed to pick up on the same theme, that Ryan was untruthful at times. The second of the "Three Words" is "Deceptive."
16 posted on 08/30/2012 8:00:59 AM PDT by MN Doc
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Hmmmm....Dave Weigel...now where have I heard that name before?

Oh yeah...

E-mails reveal Post reporter savaging conservatives, rooting for Democrats

WaPo’s Dave Weigel Resigns After More Journolist E-Mails Surface

Why I Can’t Take Dave Weigel Seriously

Sarah Palin's strange, unprofessional and paranoid grudge

Stalker, Joe McGinniss Interviewed by His Biggest Fan, Dave Weigel

17 posted on 08/30/2012 8:05:56 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Qbert
Then your job- and our job- is to counter the lies.

Well, no argument there! We all touch as many as we can with reasoned arguments and a healthy dose of common sense. I've had the same experience as you, enjoying some success in dispelling the nonsense to my less-political friends and aquaintances. But I have no illusion that many will slip through the cracks.

I'm simply pointing out how daunting the task is given the impending onslaught of disinformation still to come.

18 posted on 08/30/2012 8:08:40 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
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To: Puppage
I despise romney but why don't you and your friends listen to what Romney said about abortion. mitt is pro abortion in cases of incest, rape and any health excuse that can be thought of. It is one of the things that I dislike about romney the most.

LLS

19 posted on 08/30/2012 8:22:13 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (If romney is our only chance... we have less of a chance than a Massachusetts fetus.)
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To: Puppage

That’s in the official Republican party platform.


20 posted on 08/30/2012 8:29:51 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: austinaero
Yes, the left is spinning like that proverbial Maytag on crack that we keep hearing about. That’s a sure sign they feel the damage.

I must admit I had not heard that particular proverb but it's definitely a humorous one.

21 posted on 08/30/2012 8:45:45 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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The Janesville plant is not closed. It’s just that no one is working there and no vehicles are being produced...but it’s not close!


22 posted on 08/30/2012 8:46:23 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Puppage

Don’t waste your time on her garbage and dump her as a friend. She is your enemy and is spewing nonsense in an attempt to completely eliminate your individual liberty.


23 posted on 08/30/2012 8:52:38 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Puppage

Ask her how a President “institutes a constitutional ban” on anything? If she is referencing a constitutional ammendment, then it would require a 2/3rds approval in both houses and then ratificatoin by 2/3rds of the states.


24 posted on 08/30/2012 8:54:54 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Puppage
Just show your friend this sign of the Islamic get together at the DNC this weekend. Then tell her she won't have to move to Afghanistan as the Democrats will bring Afghanistan to her.


25 posted on 08/30/2012 9:30:35 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Puppage
For the sake of argument, let's assume the premise is true. If you understand the precepts of the constitution then you'll understand that the Executive Branch cannot amend (change) the constitution. Even should the proposed amendment garner passing support of both houses of congress by a 2/3 majority, because it is a modification to the “Constitution of the United States”, it must then be ratified by a 3/4 super-majority of the states themselves. Article V of the Unites States Constitution
26 posted on 08/30/2012 9:36:02 AM PDT by Senior Chief (Here I am, right where I left myself.)
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Just explain how very difficult it is to amend the Constitution. Does she really think three-fifths of the states would vote for this?


27 posted on 08/30/2012 9:38:11 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: All

Erskine Bowles – Paul Ryan Is Amazing

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28 posted on 08/30/2012 10:02:57 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Puppage
So, they are saying that if a woman gets raped they are going to force her to have the baby if one is conceived?

Liberals always decry violence when it's convenient to them. An abortion after a rape is just violence against another innocent. A rape victim knows first hand the horrors of violence perpetrated against a innocent person, and yet rather than promoting empathy, mercy, or compassion, the left says "pay the violence forward". "That hurt you feel won't go away until you hurt someone in response."

Liberals are such compassionate people.

29 posted on 08/30/2012 1:28:36 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Puppage

Let me add one more thing, and this one you can actually use as a response to your left friend.

After you let her know about the process to ammend the const, then you can tell her that there is a way to ban abortion immediately. All it takes is creating a 15 member board to approve all medical procedures, making sure the members are not elected and instead appointed by the President. Then all we have to do is make sure that panel is stacked with 8 members that are pro-life. After that, the board can simply deny abortion as a medical procedure.

Ooops, her Obamacare did that! Now all we need is to pack the board that is scheduled to be fully implemented next year.


30 posted on 08/31/2012 8:48:46 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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