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The Mysterious Case of Obama’s Identity ^ | August 30, 2012 | Diana West

Posted on 08/31/2012 12:18:19 AM PDT by Kukai

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To: Jack Hammer

I want to see him prosecuted, convicted, stripped of all pension benefits, fined, and jailed.

21 posted on 08/31/2012 3:40:50 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (ABO)
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To: SvenMagnussen


You have been asked REPEATEDLY on this forum to provide evidence of your assertions, and you never have.


22 posted on 08/31/2012 3:41:26 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: SvenMagnussen
After the Soetoro adoption was finalized, Obama obtained Indonesian citizenship and forfeited his U.S. Citizenship status.

Can a minor forfeit U.S. citizenship? I had presumed that when he was adopted, he would have been naturalized as an Indonesian citizen under Indonesian law, and that the U.S. would have recognized dual U.S.-Indonesian citizenship. But that is mere presumption; I don't know the rules.

Since he was minor at the time of his citizenship status change, he was given until 6 months after his 18th birthday to regain his U.S. Citizenship status and his Natural born citizenship status.

That's my understanding as well. As a minor with dual citizenship, Obama would have needed to make a declaration upon coming of age. But I don't know what the default rules are if he failed to do so. He was living in the U.S. at that point, and had been doing so since he was 10(?). I wonder if he had a passport at that point.

For whatever reason, he chose to regain his U.S. Citizenship status in 1983 through the naturalization process. His Certificate of Naturalization if on file with the USCIS with the Department of Homeland Security.

Is this confirmed? If he was born in 1961 and naturalized in 1983, that creates a strong presumption that he applied to college as a foreign student. I say presumption rather than a certainty because I'm not sure the dual nationality issue is settled. It would of course be helpful to know what passport he was carrying, but those records of course are super-duper top secret.

23 posted on 08/31/2012 3:44:26 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Kukai; windcliff

Whatever he is, he’s a fake.

24 posted on 08/31/2012 3:45:57 AM PDT by onedoug (Greetings from the cradle of the Revolution)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
They "believe" he was but they just aren't sure.

Reminds me of the commercial where they are discussing sports records - one guy says he is 99.999% sure and the other guys says, "so you don't know". Perfect!

25 posted on 08/31/2012 3:49:24 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Candor7
...Then Anne Dunham, another woman, complicates matters of record by also having born Obama Sr. a child...

That confusion is the result of the blending of two women.

Who-ever she was, she was named ANN S OBAMA in the Polk in Hawaii and Anna Obama in Seattle. She's the mother of the child the kenyan wrote home about, according to Aunt Zeituni.

26 posted on 08/31/2012 4:22:19 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Kukai

The Committee on Presidential Elections is chartered as an impartial, non-profit. They have organized our Presidential debates since 1988. Their own criteria requires each participating candidate to be natural born citizen, as required by the Constitution:

How do they establish NBC status? What’s their definition of NBC?

Why not pose to each candidate a simple “house cleaning” request:

Please explain for our audience how you qualify as a “natural born citizen” of the USA.

What does it mean for our country, today and for the future, if this question has become too controversial to ask of our candidates?

CDP’s email is:

27 posted on 08/31/2012 4:28:47 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“I want to see him prosecuted, stripped of all pension benefits, fined, and jailed.”

We said this with the Clintons, too, but the Libs howled about how tragic it would be to “besmirch” the Office of the POTUS like that (never mind Clinton had already besmirched and jeapordized it no end anyway); that and the gang-up by the Democrat media made it highly unlikely anyone would do the right thing. Obama’s situation is like that for the most part; only his case is, in my estimation, more on a par with Hitler in Germany before the war. I esteem the MSM along the lines of the German media at that time. (Tom Broke Off notwithstanding.)

28 posted on 08/31/2012 4:48:15 AM PDT by Twinkie (Obamanation - where everything is free; except US!)
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To: Twinkie

Dead men are soon forgotten.

29 posted on 08/31/2012 4:54:12 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: TexasVoter

Sorry; Committee on Presidential Debates (not elections)

Send ‘em a message:

30 posted on 08/31/2012 4:58:55 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: Jack Hammer

“Hopefully, in another five months it won’t matter a bit WHERE he’s from; “^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, it does matter. Crimes have been committed, if he not a natural born citizen.

If he is not a natural born citizen, he defrauded millions in election contributions. It is a crime against the nation to pose as the Commander in Chief and be a usurper. It costs the taxpayers thousands for every minute that he and his family use Air Force One and the secret service. There are the legal questions that surround every bill and executive order that he signed.

But...Most important is that our Constitution is further weakened.

31 posted on 08/31/2012 5:01:20 AM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: shibumi

I became a believer when you (I think it was you) posted this several weeks ago. Almost twin-like. Mega-freaky.

32 posted on 08/31/2012 5:02:24 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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33 posted on 08/31/2012 5:07:25 AM PDT by phockthis ( ...)
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To: sphinx; SvenMagnussen

“Can a minor forfeit...?”

YES. Contrary to oft repeated lies the answer is YES.

In fact, to be an internationally recognized Indonesian Citizen Obama would have HAD to give up is US citizenship. Hence why he likely HAD to come off his mothers passport in 1968.

The act of formal naturalization is one that is a legal trump card in the nbC debate.

If, as Sven notes and consistently claimed for years, Obama formally and explicitly NATURALIZED to regain US citizenship then he IS definitely NOT currently (even if he was) a “natural born” Citizen.

At any one point in time you can be a “natural born” or “naturalized”. But the two are mutually exclusive at any one point in time.

The formal act of legal naturalization would eradicate all other factors in the nbC discussion. It would be cut and dry that Obama was not eligible according to Article II, Section 1.

Its that simple.

34 posted on 08/31/2012 5:18:28 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Kukai

Maybe because michelle said that kenya is obamas home country?

“Course, she probably dont know as much about him as the other leftwing lunatic weenies out there.

36 posted on 08/31/2012 5:55:52 AM PDT by weezel
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To: SvenMagnussen

Why would Hawaii seal his birth records?

He wasn’t adopted by his mother just his Indonesian father.

37 posted on 08/31/2012 6:19:57 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: dinodino

If Sheriff Arpaio had an ounce of patriotism in his body, then he’d drive over to Janet Napolitino’s house in Maricopa County and get Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization. As DHS Secretary, Janet Napolitano is the custodian of Obama’s proof of ineligibility.

Everyone should ignore dinodino. He, She, it is participating in treason.

38 posted on 08/31/2012 7:36:23 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

I know, this is truly sickening. Obama has NEVER been called upon to explain where the born-in-kenya factoid could possibly have come from except from HIM. Congress and the news media should be hounding him on this to at least get his story on record. You know they would have been all over a Republican president in similar circumstances.

Perhaps this explains Obama refusal to take questions except from the lapdogs. But even this seems to be accepted without much fuss.

39 posted on 08/31/2012 7:40:09 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: wita
of course if Malcolm X is his daddy, then probably his mother is too....a white female mistress that MX had to hide away due to his stature as a white hater in the black that would probably make bammey a full blown natural citizen...

so what is bammey hiding?.

so I think its entirely possible that bammey is not bammey at all...that whoever suggested that he has taken over the ID of some other obammey might be right...that the scar on bammey 's head might be from some mva he had....

does any of this make sense to those who want him re-elected over Mitt Romney.....?????.....I just don't understand it....

40 posted on 08/31/2012 7:58:23 AM PDT by cherry
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