Skip to comments.The Mysterious Case of Obama’s Identity
Posted on 08/31/2012 12:18:19 AM PDT by Kukai
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I always take faith in the fact that everyone has to eat at the table of their own consequences....but sadly, so many that I wish that on are still alive and well ...Howard Hughes...Clintoon...Soros...bammey will probable skate thru unless some horrible cancer gets to him first...
It shouldn't have even gotten close to a courtroom. It should have been stopped dead in its tracks from Congress and the GOP. We have a definition from Homeland Security and from Congress that 1) born in the US and 2) of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS in SR511 that they (Obama and Hillary signed it twice) vetted McCain on. Crickets on holding the same standard to the usurper. I blame Congress but I blame the Republicans more.
I want to see him in handcuffs escorted by Lakin out the WH back door past the garbage and spending the rest of his life in Lakin's old cell.
Just my opinion:
If BO can be shown to be an Indoniaian Citizen at any time, would not the onus be on BO to prove otherwise. He can’t use the BC. He sure as hell will not declare he Naturalized(as you and others have explained. So the issue is not to get his BC. It is to prove he was an Indo citizen or even a Brit.
This is a link where you can see an AP photo taken when Obama was exiting a movie while on vacation in Hawaii 2009.
I saw this at the time and have always wondered why the glasses? His annual medical checkup said 20/20 vision and no need for corrective lenses. Why would you need to wear glasses to a movie unless you have a vision problem?
Always using the closeup teleprompter and this photo makes me wonder if he is covering up a vision problem. If so, why?
” I want to see him prosecuted, convicted, stripped of all pension benefits, fined, and jailed.”
Sooooo.....you want leniency, eh ?
I reckon Howard Hughes is dead, unless he had himself preserved somehow. Soros is getting old, so’s Clintoon, Bammy’s in his 50’s. Time wounds all heels who don’t repent, and repentance doesn’t seem to be in the vocabulary of these guys. Time’s a passing . . . tick tock . . . for us all . . . more for some than for others . . .
Given that both of his BC - the COLB and LFBC are frauds and not authentic Hawaii State issued documents they can do what they want with them - either in digital form or printed on a printer.
What that can not do with either is show them in court.
As for being a Brit. He has already claimed this. Indicating he was born a dual citizen. But since Kenya was not yet independent he was British - at birth. Assuming Obama was listed as the father at that time.
Many indicate Obama ‘lost’ his British status when Kenya became independent. But ‘losing’ British citizenship status or the right to claim British citizenship is almost never ‘lost’.
What is missing in this particular situation is another document. British government form RN.
RN is the formal renouncing of your British loyalty and citizenship. While looking for BCs and passports someone should try to find form RN. Without it Obama is still a loyal British subject I believe.
As a British subject he should be careful about what British military secrets he gives to the Russians and should probably give the Queen an upgraded IPOD.
The Constitution doesnt define natural born, but according to common law at the time and, later, the 1875 U.S. Supreme Court case Minor v. Happersett, a natural born citizen is understood to be someone born in the U.S. to citizen parents (plural). Minor spelled out this definition and is thus the signal case.
That argument is simply based on a technical misreading of the decision in Minor. The language where the Court itself characterizes its decision as a holding that a person born in the United States of two citizen parents is what technical lawyers call "obiter dicta"--it isn't part of the court's decision no matter what the author of the opinion said.
For these two reasons either of which is sufficient on its own.
The argument in Minor was by a lady who claimed to be a US Citizen. She was born in the United States and there is a legion of authority for the proposition that a person born in the United States is a citizen no matter what the circumstances of their birth. Thus addition of the proposition that both of her parents were citizens is simply surplus language--what lawyers call dicta.
You may not like that answer but there is no doubt or room for argument that is the correct answer as a matter of law--that's the reason all of the lawyers on our side who have made that argument to a court have been laughed out of the jurisdiction.
Further, the only issue before the Court in Minor was whether or not the plaintiff was a US Citizen at all--no argument about whether or not she would be treated as "natural born" under Article II, Sec. 1 of the Constitution.
In our law, the question of whether or not an individual is "natural born" is relevant only for purposes of resolving an argument over whether the individual is eligible to hold the office of President of the United States. That was not the issue here. Thus addition of the term "natural born" in the Court's holding was again, surplus language not relevant to the decision and is thus dicta.
Given the state of the law on the subject, it is impossible to conceive of a set of facts on which a person would be held not to be Natural Born if they were born in the USA.
I understand that is not the popular view. Personally, in my view, that ought not be the law. But that is the way the Court will come down and failure to deal with a realistic understanding of the law on this topic is what precluded lawyers on our side from being able to disqualify zero from the Georgia ballot.
There are two points about the born in Kenya thesis.
If you could show that he was born in Kenya to Stanley and Obama Senior as parents, he was not born a citizen of the United States at all--applicable citizenship statutes are clear on that point. No possible way he would be held Natural Born.
Further, as the article points out, zero went around for years telling anyone who would listen (and authorizing biographies setting forth) that he was born in Kenya.
Under another fairly obscure legal doctrine in the law of evidence, such statements against interest are in most jurisdictions under most circumstances, evidence that is where he was born.
Since there is no other evidence of any nature where he was born, in the proper legal proceeding (which was in place before the ALJ in Georgia and muffed by our lawyers), a court should hold that zero was obligated to prove on the record where he was in fact born or be held to have been born in Kenya, whether he was in fact born there or not.
You’re an idiot.
“We all know that Stanley Anne Dunham was not the mother of Obama, the time lines of where SAD was during critical points of time simply do not point to her being Obamas biological mother.”
There are many verifiable cross-corroborating documents which affirm to a legal certainty that Stanley Ann Dunham is Barry's mom. Here is a long thread where FReepers discussed this issue:
Re:”Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man” Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama’s mom? (vanity)
My reading of the statutes is that if Stanley Ann was legally single she would meet the residency requirement and Barry would be a US national at birth.
Barry's legal team appears to have gamed this out already and has filed legal papers citing 9th Circuit dicta that would make Barry NBC no matter where he was born so long as his mom or dad was a US citizen.
“Obama cites US v Marguet-Pillado. Dicta implies Obama eligible even if born in Kenya”
We have a citizenship statute in 14 USCA; it says he was not.
I believe he is a hologram.
Communist Party USA manufactured hologram using secret soviet stolen alien mind control technology.
Whats really frightening is that he has that weird Cheshire cat grin all the time.
I agree. Perhaps I should have made it more clear that IMO citing Marguet-Pillado is ludicrous! It is also an act of desperation and an admission that Barry's legal team knows fully well that he was not born in the US.
He fears people will notice the ‘family resemblance’?
This cracked me up:
“Obama is returning from an outing at the movies in Kaneohe, Hawaii.
Gads, he looks OLD!
Was he really born in 1961? Looks more like 1951 to me
Let me confirm his birth date opps, no long form birth certificate avaliable.”
He was born precisely 4 days after me.
I don’t look 51...or 61.
Beauty may only be skin deep but evil radiates out from the bone.