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To: SvenMagnussen
After the Soetoro adoption was finalized, Obama obtained Indonesian citizenship and forfeited his U.S. Citizenship status.

Can a minor forfeit U.S. citizenship? I had presumed that when he was adopted, he would have been naturalized as an Indonesian citizen under Indonesian law, and that the U.S. would have recognized dual U.S.-Indonesian citizenship. But that is mere presumption; I don't know the rules.

Since he was minor at the time of his citizenship status change, he was given until 6 months after his 18th birthday to regain his U.S. Citizenship status and his Natural born citizenship status.

That's my understanding as well. As a minor with dual citizenship, Obama would have needed to make a declaration upon coming of age. But I don't know what the default rules are if he failed to do so. He was living in the U.S. at that point, and had been doing so since he was 10(?). I wonder if he had a passport at that point.

For whatever reason, he chose to regain his U.S. Citizenship status in 1983 through the naturalization process. His Certificate of Naturalization if on file with the USCIS with the Department of Homeland Security.

Is this confirmed? If he was born in 1961 and naturalized in 1983, that creates a strong presumption that he applied to college as a foreign student. I say presumption rather than a certainty because I'm not sure the dual nationality issue is settled. It would of course be helpful to know what passport he was carrying, but those records of course are super-duper top secret.

23 posted on 08/31/2012 3:44:26 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx; SvenMagnussen

“Can a minor forfeit...?”

YES. Contrary to oft repeated lies the answer is YES.

In fact, to be an internationally recognized Indonesian Citizen Obama would have HAD to give up is US citizenship. Hence why he likely HAD to come off his mothers passport in 1968.

The act of formal naturalization is one that is a legal trump card in the nbC debate.

If, as Sven notes and consistently claimed for years, Obama formally and explicitly NATURALIZED to regain US citizenship then he IS definitely NOT currently (even if he was) a “natural born” Citizen.

At any one point in time you can be a “natural born” or “naturalized”. But the two are mutually exclusive at any one point in time.

The formal act of legal naturalization would eradicate all other factors in the nbC discussion. It would be cut and dry that Obama was not eligible according to Article II, Section 1.

Its that simple.


34 posted on 08/31/2012 5:18:28 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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