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Decision by Netanyahu, Barak to strike Iran is almost final
Times of Israel ^ | Aug 31 | Times of Israel staff

Posted on 09/01/2012 3:31:41 PM PDT by xzins

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak have “almost finally” decided on an Israeli strike at Iran’s nuclear facilities this fall, and a final decision will be taken “soon,” Israel’s main TV news broadcast reported on Friday evening.

Channel 2 News, the country’s leading news program, devoted much of its Friday night broadcast to the issue, detailing the pros and cons that, it said, have taken Netanyahu and Barak to the brink of approving an Israeli military attack despite opposition from the Obama administration and from many Israeli security chiefs.

Critically, the station’s diplomatic correspondent Udi Segal said, Israel does not believe that the US will take military action as Iran closes in on the bomb.

The US, the TV report said, has not provided Israel with details of an attack plan. President Obama has not promised to attack Iran if all else fails. Conditions cited by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta for an American attack do not calm Israeli concerns. And Obama has a record of seeking UN and Arab League approval before action. All these factors, in Jerusalem’s mind, underline the growing conviction of Netanyahu and Barak that Israel will have to tackle Iran alone, the TV report said.

Israel’s leaders have also noted that president George W. Bush vowed repeatedly that North Korea would not be allowed to attain a nuclear weapons capability — a vow that proved empty.

Obama does not want to intervene militarily before the presidential elections in November, and it is doubtful that he would act afterwards, runs the Israeli assessment, the TV report said. Obama may believe that the US can live with a nuclear Iran, but Israel cannot, the report quoted those in “Netanyahu’s circle” as saying.

As for presidential challenger Mitt Romney, he takes a more forceful position, but would probably not have the domestic support necessary to act in the first year of his presidency, if elected, and after that it would be too late.

The US can live with Iran as a “breakout state” — on the edge of attaining a bomb, the report said the prime minister’s circle believes. But “for Israel, a breakout state is a nuclear state.”

Netanyahu, for his part, “is convinced that thwarting Iran amounts to thwarting a plan to destroy the Jewish people,” Channel 2′s Segal said. The prime minister considers Iran’s spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to be acting rationally in order to achieve “fanatical” goals.

Segal said that, when considering the imperative to attack, Netanyahu and Barak reason that “we may have reached the moment of truth” after which it would be too late to stop Iran, and that “the price of an attack is far lower than the price of inaction.” It will be “a matter of a few months” before it is too late, Segal said — before, that is, Iran would be immune from damage by an Israeli strike.

The TV report cited intelligence information suggesting that Iran “is much further ahead” than previously thought in its uranium enrichment and in other aspects of its nuclear weapons program.

Segal said Israel’s capacity to impact the Iranian program was dwindling, and the “window of opportunity” was closing. “Four years ago,” he said, an Israeli strike could have set back the Iranian program “by two to four years.” A year from now, an Israeli strike “would have a negligible impact.”

Netanyahu was reported to have said in private conversations that “if no one attacks, Iran will get the bomb” — underlining that he does not believe sanctions will thwart Tehran.

The extensive TV report detailed what it said was the Israeli leadership duo’s thinking on the military, diplomatic and economic consequences of an Israeli strike, and the consequences of Iran getting the bomb.

Militarily, an Israeli strike would prompt missile attacks on Israel, attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah from the south and the north, and upheaval on the Arab street, in the leadership’s assessment. The assessment is that Syria’s President Bashar Assad would not get involved, since this would finish him off, the report said. But if Iran got the bomb, the missile threat would be escalated, Hamas and Hezbollah further empowered, and there would be a danger of any crisis escalating into a nuclear crisis.

Diplomatically, an Israeli strike would prompt a confrontation with the US, global protests, international isolation for Israel, delegitimization, and a situation in which Israel was seen as the aggressor. But if Iran got the bomb, Israel would be defeated and humiliated diplomatically, and would become a liability to the US, the TV report said Israel’s two key leaders believe.

Economically, an Israeli strike would deepen the economic slowdown and lead to a suspension of foreign investment. An Iranian bomb would end foreign investment in Israel, however, and prompt an exodus of Israel’s best brains.

Netanyahu and Barak were said to believe that an Israeli military strike, though opposed by Washington, would not shatter ties with the US. Survey figures that have impacted their thinking suggest significant US support for an American and for an Israeli strike on Iran, the TV report said.

Israel would not be planning to draw the US into a war with Iran by striking at Iran’s nuclear facilities, the report said. And Israel does not believer an attack would prompt regional war.

The TV report made much of a recent speech by Netanyahu, at the scene of Sunday’s terror attack thwarted by Israel at the Gaza-Egypt-Israel border. Visiting the area on Monday, Netanyahu said Israel “must and can” only rely on itself to safeguard its security.

“It becomes clear time after time that when it comes to the safety of Israeli citizens, Israel must and can rely only on itself. No one can fulfill this role except the IDF and different Israel security forces of Israel, and we will continue to conduct ourselves in this way,” Netanyahu said.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; israel; israeliran; kenyanbornmuzzie; martindempsey; netanyahu; nucleariran; nuke; obamathejihadist
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1 posted on 09/01/2012 3:31:49 PM PDT by xzins
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Segal said that, when considering the imperative to attack, Netanyahu and Barak reason that “we may have reached the moment of truth” after which it would be too late to stop Iran, and that “the price of an attack is far lower than the price of inaction.” It will be “a matter of a few months” before it is too late, Segal said — before, that is, Iran would be immune from damage by an Israeli strike.

The window to have an effective strike is closing rapidly!

2 posted on 09/01/2012 3:34:01 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Israel’s leaders have also noted that president George W. Bush vowed repeatedly that North Korea would not be allowed to attain a nuclear weapons capability — a vow that proved empty.

Yep. Nothing in Washington is so cheap as talk. Bush gave obama a lot of cover with his empty pontifications.

3 posted on 09/01/2012 3:38:00 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: xzins

May God be with them. Unfortunately, we won’t.


4 posted on 09/01/2012 3:39:50 PM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: xzins

If you read about supposedly secret deliberations by the Israeli government, you know it’s not true. They don’t leak those things.


5 posted on 09/01/2012 3:39:50 PM PDT by twister881
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To: xzins

Whatever happens, strike or no strike, Iran will survive long enough to initiate Ezekiel 38 when Israel appears to be at peace.

That Word is actually more certain than the Heavens and Earth.

But the existence of Israel is more certain than the Sun and the Moon.


6 posted on 09/01/2012 3:41:13 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: xzins

Iran’s entire nuclear program is predicated on a lie and they need to suffer the consequences of their deceit. Israel would not be out of bounds if they set of an EMP over Iranian airspace and fried their circuitry, especially since Iran has repeatedly threatened Israel with complete annihilation. It would be a preemptive yet defensive move and I’d hope that all their talk of an October attack would mean that they’re actually going to make their move in September.

Go Israel!


7 posted on 09/01/2012 3:41:29 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: xzins

I think that Obama moved our carrier groups to the Persian Gulf, not to stop Iran, but to stop an Israeli attack on Iran.


8 posted on 09/01/2012 3:42:03 PM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: xzins

This might not be so disastrous for the election. All actions seem to point to Obama NOT following Israel into war (even though his inaction and cowardice caused it). He hates Israel and that might trump his desire for power. Can he stomach coming to their aid? Personally, I hope Benjamin rockets Ahmedinnerjacket’s presidential palace.


9 posted on 09/01/2012 3:42:27 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: xzins

Israel does NOT release this kind of information. You won’t know it til after its done.


10 posted on 09/01/2012 3:43:03 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Viennacon

go Patriots, oops wrong thread....


11 posted on 09/01/2012 3:45:43 PM PDT by brivette
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To: xzins

almost pregnant

almost a hole-in-one


12 posted on 09/01/2012 3:51:01 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: xzins

Mid September, possibly the day after
Rosh HaShana...


13 posted on 09/01/2012 3:51:32 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

Well he is Muslim and his intentions towards Israel should not be a surprise. It is hard to comprehend just how messed up things have become. obama=fubar


14 posted on 09/01/2012 3:54:10 PM PDT by TBall
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To: xzins

So this screwball and the cretan are going to set romney up


15 posted on 09/01/2012 3:59:03 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: xzins

It’s a stiff, steep challenge at best. Israelis have doubtless spied out a lot, but a lot could still be hiding under those sands. But still, if Israel hits, Saudi Arabia will privately be glad. They and Iran represent two opposite warring factions of Islam.


16 posted on 09/01/2012 4:00:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

“I think that Obama moved our carrier groups to the Persian Gulf, not to stop Iran, but to stop an Israeli attack on Iran.”

Bingo. I couldn’t agree more.
Bibi knows that Zero will not “personally” give U.S. aid to Israel. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if our military told Obama to shove it where the sun don’t shine and give Israel the support they need.

That would be rich!


17 posted on 09/01/2012 4:08:39 PM PDT by mark3681
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To: richardtavor

An attack might be the best on the night of the US elections or morning after. That way, media and the election winner will necessarily be diverted by the election results and any post election civil strife.


18 posted on 09/01/2012 4:10:58 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: mark3681
“I think that Obama moved our carrier groups to the Persian Gulf, not to stop Iran, but to stop an Israeli attack on Iran.”

Wouldn't it be odd if our forces suddenly and unexpectedly began suffering all kinds of mechanical and communications problems?

19 posted on 09/01/2012 4:15:11 PM PDT by stboz
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To: xzins

It seems odd he would announce it..?


20 posted on 09/01/2012 4:20:35 PM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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To: twister881

There are no negotiations with obama...they are not going to do a damn thing.
The US wants to negotiate with the iranians—ain’t going to work.


21 posted on 09/01/2012 4:25:47 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Congress will vote for war if Obama turns away. Then President Romney will give the go ahead to protect Israel.


22 posted on 09/01/2012 4:26:46 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: stboz

This wouldn’t surprise me one bit.


23 posted on 09/01/2012 4:29:54 PM PDT by mark3681
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To: bcsco
May God be with them. Unfortunately, we won’t.

Until January, 2013......Help is on the way!

24 posted on 09/01/2012 4:31:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: xzins
A year from now, an Israeli strike “would have a negligible impact.”

Yeah, depends on what kind of "strike" it is.

25 posted on 09/01/2012 4:35:29 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: xzins

I almost replied to this thread.


26 posted on 09/01/2012 4:39:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: xzins
Striking Iran before our election would be foolish. Israel would get 100% U.S. support if Romney wins but if they strike before the election it COULD help 0bama get re-elected if the American public perceives 0bama 'looked strong and decisive' EVEN THOUGH OF COURSE HE WOULD NOT BE. The SEALs got 0bama what little military street cred he has to date even though we know better!

I seriously doubt Iran has weaponized nukes within the next 60 days unless another country has given them one. Israel doing all they can to NOT ASSIST 0bama in a re-electon is vital to their future. Look at the misery 0bama has caused Israel thus far, with the MB controlling Egypt and our exit from Iraq and soon Afghanistan with NOTHING in return and his escalation of the Caliphate.

27 posted on 09/01/2012 4:40:20 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: grumpygresh

also, makes it harder for OB to play the hero.


28 posted on 09/01/2012 4:41:44 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: xzins

29 posted on 09/01/2012 4:42:28 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: xzins

This article was from August 11, not August 31.

Link leads to a current article.


30 posted on 09/01/2012 4:46:19 PM PDT by Dave346
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To: F15Eagle
Whatever happens, strike or no strike, Iran will survive long enough to initiate Ezekiel 38 when Israel appears to be at peace.

I totally agree with you on this.

My belief is that Israel will conclude a covenant with the false messiah (the Antichrist), which will be the formal starting point of the 70th year-week of Daniel (the tribulation of seven years). Before this seven year period begins the Lord Jesus will snatch away the true believers (Luke 21:36; John 14:2-3; 1 Thess. 4:16-18).

As far as the true Christians are concerned, we will be delivered from the dark days of the seven year tribulation period by way of the rapture and spared the results of the Antichrist. We will, therefore, not be on earth for the full duration of the last generation before the Second Coming as we will be with the Bridegroom in heaven for the last seven years.

The introduction of the Antichrist and his covenant with Israel will be instantaneous resulting in the rapture. And so we will be with the Lord forever" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

31 posted on 09/01/2012 4:46:41 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: Ezekiel

Heads up! And did you see this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2925502/posts


32 posted on 09/01/2012 4:56:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick (A meal without wine is like ... breakfast.)
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Would it be better for Israel to attack Iran the day of the election or the afternoon of the election so the MSM cannot misreport the voting? They will be too busy reporting on the ME to try to manipulate the results. They'd be like a blind dog in a meathouse trying to get it all in.
33 posted on 09/01/2012 5:19:32 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: xzins

Netanyahu is simply allowing these types of leaks to further push up gas prices. This, he knows, does more harm to the Kenyan. An attack would have an unpredictable effect on the election. Might even help 0bama.


34 posted on 09/01/2012 5:22:48 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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Israel’s leaders have also noted that president George W. Bush vowed repeatedly that North Korea would not be allowed to attain a nuclear weapons capability — a vow that proved empty.

I believe that was actually GHW Bush, and that the North Koreans attained their nuclear weapons aspirations during the 8 years of the Clinton administration.

Mark

35 posted on 09/01/2012 5:32:42 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: BlueStateRightist; vetvetdoug

If the issue is a point in time at which Israel can no longer mount an effective strike, then Israel must strike before that point in time.

If that truly is the issue, then their attitude must be “american politics be damned.”


36 posted on 09/01/2012 5:33:04 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

N. Korea already had nukes before GW Bush was inaugurated for his first term.


37 posted on 09/01/2012 5:38:08 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins

Sounds like Netanyahu and Barak understand that the foreign enemy combatant who occupies our White House really DOES mean to push for the Islamic agenda (destruction of US and Israel, and worldwide sharia), as he told the Egyptian ambassador privately in January of 2010.

Israel will never stand alone. The Lord will be with them. And lots of Christians will be hoping and praying for them as well.

But the US government under Obama will never do anything against an Islamist regime, no matter how extreme and how dangerous.


38 posted on 09/01/2012 5:46:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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"Israel would not be planning to draw the US into a war with Iran by striking at Iran’s nuclear facilities, the report said. And Israel does not believer an attack would prompt regional war."

This guy is pissing in the dark. He's wrong on both accounts, triggered by the latter.

An Israeli attack would be viewed by the MB as a win-win scenario, who could fund/fuel a Pali breech the length of Gaza, if for no other reason at the bare minimum to demand better terms from the Egyptian Army junta.

Also Assad has no reason to hold back anything, and would throw the match on the gasoline known as Lebanon.

From there, the cancer known as the Arab Spring rerises as the Arab Autumn, and spreads to Jordan, then to Jeddah and Riyadh, and that would draw the US into a war with Iran, and brinksmanship with Putin...

39 posted on 09/01/2012 6:01:06 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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an attack would prompt regional war.

If there is a head count to this.... most of the M.E. countries are OPPOSED to Iran becoming or staying as a Nuke power.

It may also be that several states have offered to side with Israel in an attack against Iran.
Remember Saudi Arabia has a very large air force comprised almost totally of U.S. planes like the F-15's and F-16's which are also flown by Israel.
If not flown by Saudi pilots they could offer a ready in place back up to be flown by Israeli or Israeli trained pilots.
How convenient.
40 posted on 09/01/2012 6:14:27 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: xzins

If they do attack it will help re-elect “The Divine One.”


41 posted on 09/01/2012 6:19:40 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: xzins

bfl


42 posted on 09/01/2012 6:29:05 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: xzins

GOD BLESS THE NATION OF ISRAEL...THE ONLY “SOVEREIGN” NATION LEFT ON THE FACE OF GOD’S GREEN EARTH. AND WE HAVE A MUSLIM, MARXIST, ILLEGAL ALIEN OCCUPYING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S WHITE HOUSE WHO IS POISED TO TURN HIS BACK ON THE GREAT NATION OF ISRAEL. AND WHEN HE DOES, HE DRIVES THE FINAL NAIL INTO THE COFFIN OF OUR GREAT NATION!!


43 posted on 09/01/2012 6:42:33 PM PDT by R AND R IN 2012
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(yawn) I’ve been reading this for a couple of years now.
Poop or get off the pot already.


44 posted on 09/01/2012 6:44:56 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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In “Audacity of Hope” Obama writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

As for me, I will stand with Israel.


45 posted on 09/01/2012 7:11:12 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: xzins

WWIII


46 posted on 09/01/2012 7:12:29 PM PDT by djf (The barbarian hordes will ALWAYS outnumber the clean-shaven. And they vote.)
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

IMHO, the strike will not be carried out by aircraft..


47 posted on 09/01/2012 7:16:33 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Orange1998

A war of this nature would last hours, maybe days. Not weeks, and nowhere near enough time for the US to respond.


48 posted on 09/01/2012 8:13:25 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: xzins

Prayers for our friend and ally, Israel!


49 posted on 09/01/2012 8:15:13 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
If they do attack it will help re-elect “The Divine One.”

If the US is drawn into the conflict, prior to November 6, it could conceivably create a rally-round-the-flag effect, that would be helpful to the Obama re-election effort.

If that does not happen, however, I am not at all convinced that an Israeli attack upon Iran's known and suspected nuclear facilities would be likely to assist President Obama, in his quest for re-election...

50 posted on 09/01/2012 9:06:40 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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