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3 Coal-Powered W. V. Plants to Shut Down
WVVA,.com ^ | September 1, 2012 | Rachel Lucas

Posted on 09/04/2012 5:03:18 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

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Manchin doing a knock-out job for West Virginia!
1 posted on 09/04/2012 5:03:20 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

Romney will switch them back on....he had better


2 posted on 09/04/2012 5:05:37 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: Timber Rattler

The Democrats who voted for Sen. Joe Manchin, who has backed Obama to the hilt, should be unemployed. Sympathies to those who had more sense.


3 posted on 09/04/2012 5:06:05 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: dennisw

Manchin is toast


4 posted on 09/04/2012 5:06:33 AM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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yea, but, but, but Romney would be worse so ...


5 posted on 09/04/2012 5:08:09 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Timber Rattler

It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere. Sulphur Dioxide does exactly make life easy for farmers either. Gas is cheap and it makes the most sense right now. Time for WV to move on.


6 posted on 09/04/2012 5:08:14 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Using profanity gives people who don't want information from you an excuse not to listen.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Isn’t there a miners’ union?


7 posted on 09/04/2012 5:11:39 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere. Sulphur Dioxide does exactly make life easy for farmers either. Gas is cheap and it makes the most sense right now. Time for WV to move on.”

What is so silly is that the government is pushing electric cars... And shutting down plants. Idiots!


8 posted on 09/04/2012 5:12:08 AM PDT by BelleAl (Proud to be a member of the party of NO! NO more deficit spending and government control!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Time for WV to move on.

Tell that to the thousands of coal miners, not only in WV, but Virginia, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania, who are out of work and can't feed their families. And also those of us whose monthly electric bills have skyrocketed, just like Obama promised.

Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket

9 posted on 09/04/2012 5:12:36 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

The same folks who want these coal plants closed also object to nat gas.
Liberals have always been about rationing.


10 posted on 09/04/2012 5:13:08 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: SMARTY

11 posted on 09/04/2012 5:15:34 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Liberals have always been about rationing.

Don’t you wish that applied to the spending habits of Congressional liberals? Not to mention, Republicans.


12 posted on 09/04/2012 5:16:21 AM PDT by wita
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere. Sulphur Dioxide does exactly make life easy for farmers either. Gas is cheap and it makes the most sense right now. Time for WV to move on.”

Really now? I challenge you to quantify the pollutants of a modern coal plant in terms of measurable harm to farmers or “nerves”.

The only nerves harmed are the delicate sensibilities of enviro-communists who can’t stand the thought of someone using natural resources to generate power to make an economy go.


13 posted on 09/04/2012 5:19:06 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Timber Rattler
“Under my plan electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket.”

Barack Obama

14 posted on 09/04/2012 5:19:22 AM PDT by detective
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To: Timber Rattler
I've never punched a clock for much longer than two or three years.

I've been a self employed contractor, in-home commission sales and a few other things because I felt a "time to move on"

Some may think my work history is fractured and lacks continuity, but I reared 5 kids, built onto and rebuilt a domicile (That's another acid trip ... /8^) ..), kept two vehicles mostly all the time, no one starved, went cold or without clothes and school extra curriculars.

The ones that "can't find are a job" .. are looking for a "job"

The moment a man starts looking for "work" ... he'll find it, be employed and earn a living.

It ain't punchin' a clock and the sleep of the laborer is sweet.

15 posted on 09/04/2012 5:23:51 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
We're not talking coal power plants in China, where the lack of pollution control causes SERIOUS air pollution problems that often ends up in the Korean peninsula and western Japan!

Remember, with the EPA requiring tight controls on coal-fired power plants at least since the late 1970s, today's coal-fired power plants are vastly cleaner than before. We need to modernize our coal-fired power plants to burn even cleaner over the next decade or so.

16 posted on 09/04/2012 5:26:24 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
This is about the Obama Administration destroying our economy. Today's coal plants do not do the damage you assert. Coal is by far the most economical and plentiful fuel for power generation.

The EPA and the Obama Administration are also against fracking to produce natural gas, oil and natural gas leases on government lands and new pipeline construction.

High energy prices do far more damage to farmers and everyone else than do tiny amounts of Sulfur Dioxide.

17 posted on 09/04/2012 5:26:43 AM PDT by detective
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To: BelleAl

They have scrubbers that remove most of the mercury and the amounts that do go into the air fall to the ground in short order. Do you know how much mercury you come in contact from the ground every day?

Sulfer dioxide is a harmless chemical which has no effect except in scare tactics. Coal also makes extra CO2 which is good for plants. Don’t fall for the agenda driven science that wants to destroy America.

Pray for America


18 posted on 09/04/2012 5:28:31 AM PDT by bray (If you vote for a communist what does that make you?)
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To: knarf

Get back to me when you visit Appalachia, talk to real coal miners, and learn the culture and geography. Otherwise, you don’t know what you’re talking about.


19 posted on 09/04/2012 5:30:54 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
The nauseating thing is that for every coal fired plant we *shut down*,thus endangering our economy and our way of life,China opens up 10 of them,plants that aren't even remotely as clean as our dirtiest ones.I've been to Hong Kong and southern China...recently and often.The clearest day you'll see there is like a pea soup London fog except what you're seeing ain't fog.It's pollution from coal fired power plants and factories spewing out the filthiest stuff you can imagine.We have a 300 year supply of coal but we can't use it ‘cause “progressives” wanna make things easier for their Commie pals in China!!!
20 posted on 09/04/2012 5:31:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Voter ID Equals "No Representation Without Respiration")
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To: Timber Rattler

Hopefully the East Coast will experience several brown-outs before the November elections - more “Hope-n-Change” is on the way!


21 posted on 09/04/2012 5:32:29 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: wita
It fits their profile.
Less money for ordinary Americans.
More money for the intelligentsia.
22 posted on 09/04/2012 5:33:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; Timber Rattler; RFEngineer; Eric in the Ozarks
It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere. Sulphur Dioxide does exactly make life easy for farmers either. Gas is cheap and it makes the most sense right now. Time for WV to move on.

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/Nuclear-Plants-in-Germany-Sit-Idle-as-Coal-use-Grows-by-13.5.html

Coal is cheap too. I guess it's time for Germany to move on, eh? Hypocrite?

23 posted on 09/04/2012 5:34:44 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
So that's the gospel according to the German "Greens",eh? The President/Prime Minister of a recently liberated Eastern European country (can't recall which one) said,when asked about the Greens...."the new Greens are the old Reds".

Sounds about right to me.

24 posted on 09/04/2012 5:35:10 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Voter ID Equals "No Representation Without Respiration")
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To: SMARTY
Isn’t there a miners’ union?

Richard Trumka (Obama's most frequent visitor) was at one time president of the UMWA.

25 posted on 09/04/2012 5:38:19 AM PDT by Ramcat (Thank You American Veteransthese people only do what they want to do)
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To: palmer
Coal was cheaper than gas until the recent advance in drilling and recovery technology. Unfortunately, utilities can't just switch to gas when their boilers are designed for coal. Gas is now $1 MM/BTUs less than PRB coal landed in the Midwest.
26 posted on 09/04/2012 5:40:16 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Time for WV to move on.

To what, The Next Big Thing? What is that? This is a mining and largely rural state. The people there don't have a lot of skills, at least those who grew up in coal mining country. They aren't going to go out and magically get jobs as nanotechnologists and computer systems engineers (even if there were a lot of jobs in those areas, which there aren't). This isn't Rocket Boys, its the real world. For every Homer Hickam there are a thousand Ike Bykovskys who make their living mining coal.

27 posted on 09/04/2012 5:42:00 AM PDT by chimera
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To: bray

Not falling for agenda driven science. Just think it’s ludicrous to push electric cars while shutting down power plants. People are fools for not seeing the hypocrisy.


28 posted on 09/04/2012 5:42:41 AM PDT by BelleAl (Proud to be a member of the party of NO! NO more deficit spending and government control!)
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To: Timber Rattler
5 years in Whetzel County, 3 miles up a holla, 18 miles from anywhere I could spend a dime.

I left WV (1981) because a different opportunity opened for me.I can only surmise that coal's position as king has been in jeopardy for at least 20 years.

Plenty of time to have kitchen table discussions

The same labor in a mine is needed in the gas/oil field ... the only thing missing is ....the union.

29 posted on 09/04/2012 5:43:24 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

You sound like Senator Rockefeller, who also arrogantly tells people here in WV to “move on”. The Socialist-Democrats want to control everything and they don’t care how many lives they ruin.


30 posted on 09/04/2012 5:48:05 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Coal was cheaper than gas until the recent advance in drilling and recovery technology. Unfortunately, utilities can't just switch to gas when their boilers are designed for coal. Gas is now $1 MM/BTUs less than PRB coal landed in the Midwest.

The cost per MW is surprisingly comparable, with combined cycle gas-fired plants rivaling many coal-fired plants. I don't watch the daily costs, but what I've seen more recently, the most efficient coal-fired generating units still run at a lower cost than combined cycle gas generation, but not much lower. And a lot of smaller, older coal generators are more expensive to run than gas.

The big disadvantage for coal right now is one created by the government - EPA standards have become more stringent and are being applied to older units. Utilities are finding that it isn't cost-effective to retrofit older generation with the latest pollution control equipment and are closing down many of the older coal-fired generation instead.

It's not because the plants are no longer servicable, it's because the EPA has grossly overstepped its authority.

31 posted on 09/04/2012 5:48:05 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: Timber Rattler

I’m in PA and I am scared to death to open my electric bills every month. My electricity has tripled in the past two years. It’s insane.


32 posted on 09/04/2012 5:49:29 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: MestaMachine

You can thank Obamna who pledged that your rates would necessarily skyrocket under his plan. Also thanks to Eigenkeit above and others in Europe who have convinced Obama and the elites that we must suffer and pay more to allegedly save the world from thermageddon.


33 posted on 09/04/2012 5:56:43 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Imho, your well established might just have an agenda.

It would benefit from s'more research on US coal plant emissions/efficiencies.

34 posted on 09/04/2012 5:56:54 AM PDT by tomkat (:-)
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To: meyer
Good luck getting a permit for any new gas unit. Utilities expect a series of lawsuits based on emissions from gas.
Part of the runup in coal has to do with rail freight. Another price driver is exports are where the growth is happening.
35 posted on 09/04/2012 5:56:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: dennisw

Assuming they are all married, that’s at least 420 votes for Mitt.


36 posted on 09/04/2012 5:57:35 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere.

We've been using coal for fuel for centuries and we are still living longer every year.

Coal is the least expensive fuel, and without government penalties would be way less than natural gas.

Are you a shill for Range Resources?

I love natural gas but coal is less costly.

Mein FReund ist nicht recht.

37 posted on 09/04/2012 5:58:23 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: palmer

Oh, I DO. Trust me.


38 posted on 09/04/2012 5:58:39 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Timber Rattler

Glad to see my home state is coming to its senses.


39 posted on 09/04/2012 6:02:26 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: MestaMachine

yea electric bill approaching $400 a month...who says Zero doesn’t keep his promises?


40 posted on 09/04/2012 6:02:38 AM PDT by Gasshog (Myth the Magic RINO for President! Because the lesser of two evils is still evil?)
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To: Timber Rattler

Some people just never get it. He is cruising toward reelection too. Manchin votes for Harry Reid as Senate majority leader and supports him on key votes. Then Manchin turns around and grumbles about how horrible Washington is to his constituents, and shoots a bullet through the Obamacare regulations, and everyone thinks he’s some independent. Manchin votes for Harry Reid to be in charge of the Senate. That’s all you need to know to understand how badly Manchin is screwing up our economy. All the ads in the world with him with a rifle don’t change that.


41 posted on 09/04/2012 6:03:32 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Ramcat

They ought to be feeling a little betrayed about now.


42 posted on 09/04/2012 6:03:57 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

As long as they replace them on the grid with natural gas ones. I’m not holding my breath.


43 posted on 09/04/2012 6:05:54 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: BelleAl

People are fools for not seeing the hypocrisy.

The Volt isn’t selling very good these days. In fact they just stopped the assembly lines because of it.

Electric cars are not green because of the need to produce the energy someplace, somehow.


44 posted on 09/04/2012 6:09:15 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: Timber Rattler

U.S. Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., has supported Obama’s campaign since it began.

“The claims you are hearing from the McCain-Palin campaign are misleading and untrue,” Rockefeller said in a news release. “Barack Obama has been very clear with me and with you on his plan for clean coal and it’s the most aggressive plan in support of clean coal we’ve seen from any presidential candidate.

“The idea that the McCain-Palin campaign is alleging the day before the election that Barack Obama’s commitment to coal is anything but solid is absolutely ridiculous,” he added.

“This is exactly the kind of deceptive politicking voters are fed up with.”

http://www.hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/511265.html? nav=5010

I wonder what Rockefeller has to say now.


45 posted on 09/04/2012 6:10:21 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: tomkat

Oh he’s got an agenda alright. He’s been on the global warming alarmist bandwagon for years. The problem is that now his own home country has abandoned the charade and gone back to coal. Germans always think everyone else is stupid and this time is no exception.


46 posted on 09/04/2012 6:11:02 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Timber Rattler

In November I’ll remember, and thank, Joe Manchin and BO as I pull the lever!

First Energy is my new power company. When I moved here my monthly bill was under $100. This month I get the privilege of paying them more than $500! BO’s desire to bankrupt the coal industry is coming to fruition! But I, and you, will be the causalities.


47 posted on 09/04/2012 6:17:59 AM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: palmer

You’d think those guys would eventually learn to take their shill assignments somewhere other than the lion’s den . . .


48 posted on 09/04/2012 6:25:00 AM PDT by tomkat (:-)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“Gas is cheap and it makes the most sense right now.”

Yes, but is gas picking up the slack fast enough ?


49 posted on 09/04/2012 6:28:51 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I always make a point of heeding scientific advice from people who can’t spell words like “toxic” and “mercury”.


50 posted on 09/04/2012 6:36:51 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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