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3 Coal-Powered W. V. Plants to Shut Down
WVVA,.com ^ | September 1, 2012 | Rachel Lucas

Posted on 09/04/2012 5:03:18 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

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To: Timber Rattler

ALL of the above. We need to produce as much DOMESTIC energy as fast as we can. COAL included.


51 posted on 09/04/2012 6:42:26 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Timber Rattler

The interesting thing about the stated reasoning behind these closuress is that the mercury regs don’t go into effect until 2015.


52 posted on 09/04/2012 6:55:29 AM PDT by oincobx
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To: Timber Rattler
I haven't been around nor talked with coal plant operators in about 15 years, but even in those days they were using very efficient filtration systems, “bag” houses to scrub pollutants from emissions. They will tell you that when you see white clouds over their plants, it is from steam not coal fumes. When you see black clouds, they are having a problem and in the process of correcting it. There are no such filtration systems on the emissions from cars, forest fires and volcanoes
53 posted on 09/04/2012 7:11:20 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: PLMerite
Yes, but is gas picking up the slack fast enough?

Nope. Case in point - TVA, a federally-owned power company, completed construction on a 700+ megawatt combined-cycle gas-fired plant right next to the John Sevier coal-fired power plant. The plan was to retire the coal-fired plant (also around 700-750 megawatts) after the new gas plant was commissioned.

Well, guess what - the gas fired plant was commissioned and placed in service, and they still kept the coal-fired plant in service all summer long. Why? Because the power was needed.

Frankly, I think that the best thing utilities can do is de-commission these coal plants and replace them with rolling blackouts, particularly in blue areas where the environazis tend to congregate. Nothing teaches a lesson better then getting your own oxe gored by your own actions based on your own false beliefs.

54 posted on 09/04/2012 7:16:39 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere. "

You know, a little knowledge can lead you in the wrong direction. Go do some research and when you can quantify how much pollutants that the ElectroStatic Precipitators and Flue Gas De-sulphurization (scrubber) actually removes in relation to cost/benefits and cross check that against how much global air pollution is increased for every US coal plant that is shut down due to other energy sources. We do an excellent job at removing pollutants. Most of our air borne mercury comes from China.

55 posted on 09/04/2012 7:16:39 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Biden: "HOPE and CHAINS for all 57 states".)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

Right on. WV needs to elect a GOP conservative to replace the money bags liberal Rockefeller and to replace Manchin who will vote Reid for Senate leader even if he does vote conservative on a few issues.


56 posted on 09/04/2012 7:32:21 AM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere. Sulphur Dioxide does exactly make life easy for farmers either. Gas is cheap and it makes the most sense right now. Time for WV to move on.”

Spoken like a left-wing nutcase ignorant of the facts.


57 posted on 09/04/2012 7:51:10 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: lowbridge

“I wonder what Rockefeller has to say now.”

Great tidbit.

Are we going to see this stuff in TV ads? It is so irritating to continually see these obongo TV ads and never see a GOP ad. I am in FL and just do not understand the lack of TV ads at this point.


58 posted on 09/04/2012 7:56:44 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

You’re the one with the big mouth, why don’t tell us exactly how much Mercury and Sulphur Dioxide is released by these coal plants that are being shut down. I don’t want some left-wing kook web site reference, I want the actual measured amounts from those plants. Go ahead, liberal, we’ll wait.


59 posted on 09/04/2012 7:57:09 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Learn about degree of risk. It is well-established that the dumpy car you drive around in releases carbon monoxide, a deadly poison. Time for you to move on and get a bike?


60 posted on 09/04/2012 8:04:00 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa (Vote for Goode, end up with evil, pat self on back repeatedly)
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To: palmer

As of a year ago Germany was importing Appalachian coal from us. They know how to burn coal very cleanly and so do we. It is the eviro-commies who classify CO2 as a pollutant so are forcing us to shut down coal fired electric generation

When Mitt Romney gets in the first thing he must do is Operation Clean Sweep at the EPA. Broom out all the liberal slugs and half wit AA hires (all making $90,000/year minimum) who obstruct our economy


61 posted on 09/04/2012 8:04:22 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: Timber Rattler

Obama Called for Bankrupting Coal Fired Power Plants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF7Qm31LIDM

Thursday, July 7, 2011
Obama Keeps Promise to Bankrupt Coal Power Plants

“If somebody wants to build a coal power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

That was Barack Obama in 2008.

Today, the E.P.A. has issued new guidelines and standards for coal fired plants effective in in early 2012.

“From the start, his Energy Secretary [Steven] Chu called coal his ‘worst nightmare.’ Biden once said ‘no coal [plants here] in America.’ The president has had a hostile, aggressive stance against coal and now we’re seeing the impact on hardworking everyday Americans,” he added.

Watch Borelli discuss the coal situation [via Fox Business]:


62 posted on 09/04/2012 8:11:50 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: lodi90

Same here. If I see that “Mitt hates women” ad one more time, I am going to punch my TV.


63 posted on 09/04/2012 8:12:25 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: dennisw

You are so right Mitt better switch them back on. If enough of these plants go offline you are going to start seeing rolling blackouts when the next summer hits and its going to be darned unpleasant without electricity. If the EPA has its way we will all be living like a third world country.


64 posted on 09/04/2012 8:18:17 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Timber Rattler

***Three coal-fired power plants in West Virginia will soon stop generating electricity. ***

THREE SCALPS FOR OBAMA!


65 posted on 09/04/2012 8:55:23 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yeah, but I bet those 6 blue counties make up most of WV voters.


66 posted on 09/04/2012 8:59:57 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: meyer
Frankly, I think that the best thing utilities can do is de-commission these coal plants and replace them with rolling blackouts, particularly in blue areas where the environazis tend to congregate. Nothing teaches a lesson better then getting your own oxe gored by your own actions based on your own false beliefs.

They should. If energy companies weren't so stupid and would look at the long term picture instead.

When a plant shuts down they just import the energy from somewhere else and raise rates at few cents and go back to hoping the Liberals come for them last.

What they should do is black/brown out the rat infested cities. Let's see how enthusiastic these EPA bureaucrats and congress critters when the power goes out in DC, Phily, Baltimore, NYC around 3pm everyday and doesn't come back until late at night.

67 posted on 09/04/2012 9:17:59 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

***Part of the runup in coal has to do with rail freight.***

At the coal plant I worked at (31 years) the rail cost of hauling coal was more than the cost of the coal in the car.

We used low sulfur coal, low ash and had electrostatic precipitators to clean the fly ash from the flue gas.

The exhaust gas had so little pollutants it was negligable. We had strip charts to prove it.

Now, the EPA has made new standards so tough the plant is debating whether to shut the plant down or add the new equipment (scrubbers for the LOW SULFUR coal)and a bag house to remove the .0099 % ash that does get out, along with anti-mercury and anti-lead equipment.

We all had to work shutdowns in the ash and no one ever had a mercury or lead poisoning problem. We did have one man die at a very old age of asbestos cancer.

If this plant was so bad why do we now have more deer than I’ve ever seen here, bald eagles winter here and bass are the largest in the cooling lake.

This plant also provides high dollar jobs for those employed at the plant, and help break the economic stranglehold of the CHICKEN men who wanted to keep this area agricultural so they could pay less than minimum wages.


68 posted on 09/04/2012 9:23:45 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Coal transportation is often five or six times the cost of the fob coal.


69 posted on 09/04/2012 10:11:35 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere. Sulphur Dioxide does exactly make life easy for farmers either.

Both of which can reduced to acceptable levels -- and are whenever the requirements call for it.

If the healthy limit is X parts per million, the only point in reducing emissions beyond that level is to vastly increase the cost.

70 posted on 09/04/2012 10:34:50 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
"...and bass are the largest in the cooling lake."


71 posted on 09/04/2012 12:05:24 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: MestaMachine
My electricity has tripled in the past two years.

And PA will send 20 electoral votes to Obama(?)

72 posted on 09/04/2012 1:05:53 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

The last thing in the world WV needs is some ignorant, arrogant prick in Germany telling them what they should do.


73 posted on 09/04/2012 1:11:23 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Shut them and others down. Coal is inferior to natural gas. If West Virginians want to keep digging for coal be my guest - but not on my dime!


74 posted on 09/04/2012 1:48:45 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
GFY.

It's "your dime" forcing our electric power stations to shut down.

75 posted on 09/04/2012 1:50:59 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: PLMerite
Ah, yes: The Simpsons.

Great comedy.

Bad science.

Try not to get the two confused.

76 posted on 09/04/2012 1:52:05 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Do you think those plants can be restarted on a whim?
If we are regulated to using one kind of energy, trouble will
follow since the RATs will then have us cornered and begin
the final regulated shut down of NG. Republicans will not save us,
they will allow it to protect themselves from the MSM by hiding under the bed.

Oh, and you want the power turned back on? Pay up to the Gov to save the planet.

F-n insanity.

77 posted on 09/04/2012 2:02:16 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: ArrogantBustard

Sigh. No sense of humor.


78 posted on 09/04/2012 4:59:57 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: KantianBurke

half-wit. Which is inferior to an actual wit. Shut your own dumb-a$$ down.


79 posted on 09/04/2012 6:45:56 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa (Vote for Goode, end up with evil, pat self on back repeatedly)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“The shale gas revolution has lowered, tremendously, the price of natural gas in the US. As it will do any and every where else that people are allowed to drill for it. In the process this will close coal plants as they find that they cannot compete with the pricing of that natural gas.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/05/05/why-shale-gas-is-closing-coal-plants-so-why-do-the-hippies-hate-shale/

Free markets are a great thing for us consumers. You socialists? Not so much.


80 posted on 09/04/2012 8:36:31 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: knarf

The ones that “can’t find are a job” .. are looking for a “job”

The moment a man starts looking for “work” ... he’ll find it, be employed and earn a living.

It ain’t punchin’ a clock and the sleep of the laborer is sweet.

Well said wisdom!


81 posted on 09/05/2012 5:34:45 AM PDT by wita
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Except that the quantities noted are trivial and death is more probable in an auto accident

Anti coal is anti America.


82 posted on 09/05/2012 5:40:03 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Timber Rattler
Many coal plants are going to be shut down over the next few years. This has been an ongoing story for sometime now. Here is a map showing the plant locations.

A listing of plants by name and projected closure date


83 posted on 09/05/2012 5:56:27 AM PDT by deport
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To: BelleAl
“It is well established that coal releases mecury (sic) which is a toxix (sic) nerve agent, into the atmosphere.

I grew up in Pittsburgh in the 40s and 50s when the steel mills and coke plants were running full blast 24 hours a day, trains with coal fired steam engines were belching smoke day and night, and most homes relied on coal fired furnaces in the winter. Not one of those mills, steam engines or furnaces had any form of pollution control.

Please show me where all the nerve damage from that 'toxic mercury' is. How did I ever survive and live to be an old man?

84 posted on 09/05/2012 6:16:39 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: KantianBurke
You socialists?

Again, GFY.

These coal plants are not being closed due to free market competition, they are being closed due to anti-American communist environmental extremists in the 0bama regime. Perhaps you should change your name to StalinistMao?

85 posted on 09/05/2012 8:29:18 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“These coal plants are not being closed due to free market competition”

Uh yeah they are. The link I provided makes that abundantly clear. The only way big coal will stick around is through government subsidies i.e. MY TAX DOLLARS. No thanks. If comprehending a news article is beyond your powers I’ll look for something more on your level - sock puppets perhaps?


86 posted on 09/05/2012 11:19:03 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
You clearly did NOT read the article.

Conversation with you is useless. Go away, litle one.

87 posted on 09/05/2012 11:57:56 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Bloody shirt nonsense. But whatever helps you sleep at night. As for myself I’ll enjoy my reduced energy bills. Have fun cheerleading your dying industry.


88 posted on 09/05/2012 4:06:50 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: meyer

It’s not because the plants are no longer servicable, it’s because the EPA has grossly overstepped its authority.

You are correct, however...

What authority? I don’t recall giving anyone bureaucratic authority to wield power in a constitutional world. Only Congress, an Executive, and a judicial branch, and if I may say, they have all grossly overstepped their authority, not to mention said bureaucratic agency.


89 posted on 09/06/2012 5:28:37 AM PDT by wita
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

All the ads in the world with him with a rifle don’t change that.

...and all the more reason why the NRA should not be your gun rights organization, especially if he has a grade from them better than F.

I suggest http://www.nationalgunrights.org/ instead.


90 posted on 09/06/2012 5:38:41 AM PDT by wita
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To: MestaMachine

I’m in PA and I am scared to death to open my electric bills every month. My electricity has tripled in the past two years. It’s insane.

And yet, this morning i heard on radio news that no more campaign ads will be on the air here in PA...because we are NOT a battleground state...that PA is “safely” in the Obama column.

Really?!?

My electric bill was over $400 last month. And Allegheny Power is now doing what I call “psyops” sending these “how YOUR energy use rates” against my “neighbors.” of course, they claim is use more—but when talking with said neighbors (and we have !!) they use more too. Hmmmm....again...psyops.


91 posted on 09/06/2012 5:47:00 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Coal transportation is often five or six times the cost of the fob coal.

...and it is still cheaper to run the plant with coal than build another or modify for new and NOT cost effective rules.

NOTHING will be cheaper than coal on a long term basis!!!!!


92 posted on 09/06/2012 5:54:06 AM PDT by wita
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To: KantianBurke

Coal is inferior to natural gas

You forgot IMHO, and you would be wrong.


93 posted on 09/06/2012 5:57:05 AM PDT by wita
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

I don’t know how, but I went from Allegheny Power to West Penn Power, to First Energy and each had a different account number so my payments were never put where they should have gone for three months. It took me that long to finally get it settled, and after I did, even though my actual usage was down nearly half of what it was the same time last year, my bill with all the extra surharges, kate charges, (even though the bills had been paid,) and transmission fees was way over 5400...along with a threat of a shutoff if the bill was not paid in full.
I am still in shock. Their mistake, my loss. The PUC is worthless.


94 posted on 09/06/2012 6:06:50 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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$400
whew


95 posted on 09/06/2012 6:10:38 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: wita

That was the case for decades.


96 posted on 09/06/2012 6:17:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: wita

By all means state your case. My wallet says otherwise.


97 posted on 09/06/2012 3:36:06 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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