Skip to comments.3 Coal-Powered W. V. Plants to Shut Down
Posted on 09/04/2012 5:03:18 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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ALL of the above. We need to produce as much DOMESTIC energy as fast as we can. COAL included.
The interesting thing about the stated reasoning behind these closuress is that the mercury regs don’t go into effect until 2015.
Nope. Case in point - TVA, a federally-owned power company, completed construction on a 700+ megawatt combined-cycle gas-fired plant right next to the John Sevier coal-fired power plant. The plan was to retire the coal-fired plant (also around 700-750 megawatts) after the new gas plant was commissioned.
Well, guess what - the gas fired plant was commissioned and placed in service, and they still kept the coal-fired plant in service all summer long. Why? Because the power was needed.
Frankly, I think that the best thing utilities can do is de-commission these coal plants and replace them with rolling blackouts, particularly in blue areas where the environazis tend to congregate. Nothing teaches a lesson better then getting your own oxe gored by your own actions based on your own false beliefs.
You know, a little knowledge can lead you in the wrong direction. Go do some research and when you can quantify how much pollutants that the ElectroStatic Precipitators and Flue Gas De-sulphurization (scrubber) actually removes in relation to cost/benefits and cross check that against how much global air pollution is increased for every US coal plant that is shut down due to other energy sources. We do an excellent job at removing pollutants. Most of our air borne mercury comes from China.
Right on. WV needs to elect a GOP conservative to replace the money bags liberal Rockefeller and to replace Manchin who will vote Reid for Senate leader even if he does vote conservative on a few issues.
“It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere. Sulphur Dioxide does exactly make life easy for farmers either. Gas is cheap and it makes the most sense right now. Time for WV to move on.”
Spoken like a left-wing nutcase ignorant of the facts.
“I wonder what Rockefeller has to say now.”
Are we going to see this stuff in TV ads? It is so irritating to continually see these obongo TV ads and never see a GOP ad. I am in FL and just do not understand the lack of TV ads at this point.
You’re the one with the big mouth, why don’t tell us exactly how much Mercury and Sulphur Dioxide is released by these coal plants that are being shut down. I don’t want some left-wing kook web site reference, I want the actual measured amounts from those plants. Go ahead, liberal, we’ll wait.
Learn about degree of risk. It is well-established that the dumpy car you drive around in releases carbon monoxide, a deadly poison. Time for you to move on and get a bike?
As of a year ago Germany was importing Appalachian coal from us. They know how to burn coal very cleanly and so do we. It is the eviro-commies who classify CO2 as a pollutant so are forcing us to shut down coal fired electric generation
When Mitt Romney gets in the first thing he must do is Operation Clean Sweep at the EPA. Broom out all the liberal slugs and half wit AA hires (all making $90,000/year minimum) who obstruct our economy
Obama Called for Bankrupting Coal Fired Power Plants
Thursday, July 7, 2011
Obama Keeps Promise to Bankrupt Coal Power Plants
“If somebody wants to build a coal power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”
That was Barack Obama in 2008.
Today, the E.P.A. has issued new guidelines and standards for coal fired plants effective in in early 2012.
From the start, his Energy Secretary [Steven] Chu called coal his worst nightmare. Biden once said no coal [plants here] in America. The president has had a hostile, aggressive stance against coal and now were seeing the impact on hardworking everyday Americans, he added.
Watch Borelli discuss the coal situation [via Fox Business]:
Same here. If I see that “Mitt hates women” ad one more time, I am going to punch my TV.
You are so right Mitt better switch them back on. If enough of these plants go offline you are going to start seeing rolling blackouts when the next summer hits and its going to be darned unpleasant without electricity. If the EPA has its way we will all be living like a third world country.
***Three coal-fired power plants in West Virginia will soon stop generating electricity. ***
THREE SCALPS FOR OBAMA!
Yeah, but I bet those 6 blue counties make up most of WV voters.
They should. If energy companies weren't so stupid and would look at the long term picture instead.
When a plant shuts down they just import the energy from somewhere else and raise rates at few cents and go back to hoping the Liberals come for them last.
What they should do is black/brown out the rat infested cities. Let's see how enthusiastic these EPA bureaucrats and congress critters when the power goes out in DC, Phily, Baltimore, NYC around 3pm everyday and doesn't come back until late at night.
***Part of the runup in coal has to do with rail freight.***
At the coal plant I worked at (31 years) the rail cost of hauling coal was more than the cost of the coal in the car.
We used low sulfur coal, low ash and had electrostatic precipitators to clean the fly ash from the flue gas.
The exhaust gas had so little pollutants it was negligable. We had strip charts to prove it.
Now, the EPA has made new standards so tough the plant is debating whether to shut the plant down or add the new equipment (scrubbers for the LOW SULFUR coal)and a bag house to remove the .0099 % ash that does get out, along with anti-mercury and anti-lead equipment.
We all had to work shutdowns in the ash and no one ever had a mercury or lead poisoning problem. We did have one man die at a very old age of asbestos cancer.
If this plant was so bad why do we now have more deer than I’ve ever seen here, bald eagles winter here and bass are the largest in the cooling lake.
This plant also provides high dollar jobs for those employed at the plant, and help break the economic stranglehold of the CHICKEN men who wanted to keep this area agricultural so they could pay less than minimum wages.
Coal transportation is often five or six times the cost of the fob coal.
Both of which can reduced to acceptable levels -- and are whenever the requirements call for it.
If the healthy limit is X parts per million, the only point in reducing emissions beyond that level is to vastly increase the cost.
And PA will send 20 electoral votes to Obama(?)
The last thing in the world WV needs is some ignorant, arrogant prick in Germany telling them what they should do.
Shut them and others down. Coal is inferior to natural gas. If West Virginians want to keep digging for coal be my guest - but not on my dime!
It's "your dime" forcing our electric power stations to shut down.
Try not to get the two confused.
Oh, and you want the power turned back on? Pay up to the Gov to save the planet.
Sigh. No sense of humor.
half-wit. Which is inferior to an actual wit. Shut your own dumb-a$$ down.
“The shale gas revolution has lowered, tremendously, the price of natural gas in the US. As it will do any and every where else that people are allowed to drill for it. In the process this will close coal plants as they find that they cannot compete with the pricing of that natural gas.”
Free markets are a great thing for us consumers. You socialists? Not so much.
The ones that “can’t find are a job” .. are looking for a “job”
The moment a man starts looking for “work” ... he’ll find it, be employed and earn a living.
It ain’t punchin’ a clock and the sleep of the laborer is sweet.
Well said wisdom!
Except that the quantities noted are trivial and death is more probable in an auto accident
Anti coal is anti America.
I grew up in Pittsburgh in the 40s and 50s when the steel mills and coke plants were running full blast 24 hours a day, trains with coal fired steam engines were belching smoke day and night, and most homes relied on coal fired furnaces in the winter. Not one of those mills, steam engines or furnaces had any form of pollution control.
Please show me where all the nerve damage from that 'toxic mercury' is. How did I ever survive and live to be an old man?
These coal plants are not being closed due to free market competition, they are being closed due to anti-American communist environmental extremists in the 0bama regime. Perhaps you should change your name to StalinistMao?
“These coal plants are not being closed due to free market competition”
Uh yeah they are. The link I provided makes that abundantly clear. The only way big coal will stick around is through government subsidies i.e. MY TAX DOLLARS. No thanks. If comprehending a news article is beyond your powers I’ll look for something more on your level - sock puppets perhaps?
Conversation with you is useless. Go away, litle one.
Bloody shirt nonsense. But whatever helps you sleep at night. As for myself I’ll enjoy my reduced energy bills. Have fun cheerleading your dying industry.
It’s not because the plants are no longer servicable, it’s because the EPA has grossly overstepped its authority.
You are correct, however...
What authority? I don’t recall giving anyone bureaucratic authority to wield power in a constitutional world. Only Congress, an Executive, and a judicial branch, and if I may say, they have all grossly overstepped their authority, not to mention said bureaucratic agency.
All the ads in the world with him with a rifle dont change that.
...and all the more reason why the NRA should not be your gun rights organization, especially if he has a grade from them better than F.
I suggest http://www.nationalgunrights.org/ instead.
Im in PA and I am scared to death to open my electric bills every month. My electricity has tripled in the past two years. Its insane.
And yet, this morning i heard on radio news that no more campaign ads will be on the air here in PA...because we are NOT a battleground state...that PA is “safely” in the Obama column.
My electric bill was over $400 last month. And Allegheny Power is now doing what I call “psyops” sending these “how YOUR energy use rates” against my “neighbors.” of course, they claim is use more—but when talking with said neighbors (and we have !!) they use more too. Hmmmm....again...psyops.
Coal transportation is often five or six times the cost of the fob coal.
...and it is still cheaper to run the plant with coal than build another or modify for new and NOT cost effective rules.
NOTHING will be cheaper than coal on a long term basis!!!!!
Coal is inferior to natural gas
You forgot IMHO, and you would be wrong.
I don’t know how, but I went from Allegheny Power to West Penn Power, to First Energy and each had a different account number so my payments were never put where they should have gone for three months. It took me that long to finally get it settled, and after I did, even though my actual usage was down nearly half of what it was the same time last year, my bill with all the extra surharges, kate charges, (even though the bills had been paid,) and transmission fees was way over 5400...along with a threat of a shutoff if the bill was not paid in full.
I am still in shock. Their mistake, my loss. The PUC is worthless.
That was the case for decades.
By all means state your case. My wallet says otherwise.