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The Not Ready for Prime Time Player-Sandra Fluke and the cultural contradictions of feminism
WSJ ^ | 9-7-12 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 09/07/2012 4:37:55 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

What's most interesting about the Fluke comment, though, is that it points to a central cultural contradiction of feminism. Libertarian feminists sometimes argue that left-wing ones aren't "true feminists" because they want women to be dependent, albeit on government rather than on men. But feminism is about sexual equality or female supremacy, not freedom or independence. As long as the government isn't masculine in character ("patriarchal"), its size and scope are irrelevant to feminism.

When one considers the specific context of Fluke's above-quoted comment, however, it turns out to be as patriarchal a conception of government as one can imagine. By criticizing Romney for failing to "stand up" against Limbaugh, she faults him for a lack of chivalry. The duty of the president in a Flukist regime is to act as a white knight when a fair maiden's honor has been besmirched.

And Fluke isn't even the first feminist to make this sort of claim on Fluke's behalf. Recall that back in the spring, Gloria Allred urged that Limbaugh be prosecuted under a dormant Florida statute making a misdemeanant of "whoever speaks of and concerning any woman, married or unmarried, falsely and maliciously imputing to her a want of chastity." That law--almost certainly unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause because it treats the sexes in a grossly disparate way--has been on the books for 129 years. The Flukist Democrats will take America forward to 1883.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fail; feminazis; fluke; government; slut
poor wittle Sandy.
1 posted on 09/07/2012 4:38:05 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Who has that Dem delegate photo with the “Sluts Vote” button?


2 posted on 09/07/2012 4:40:39 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: TurboZamboni

The short answer, to use an old description, is that Sandra is a “Clueless Dweeb”.


3 posted on 09/07/2012 4:40:59 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Islander7

Your pic is needed.


4 posted on 09/07/2012 4:43:14 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: TurboZamboni

he duty of the president in a Flukist regime is to act as a white knight when a fair maiden’s honor has been besmirched.


A very accurate description of the mindset of the convention attendees.

Otherwise how can you call any of these screeching fools leaders.


5 posted on 09/07/2012 4:46:05 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: TurboZamboni

Free free What right makes things free? The Constitution says we have a right to own guns. If I can’t afford one then maybe the gubment should provide one to me for free.


6 posted on 09/07/2012 4:48:08 AM PDT by IC Ken
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To: KC Burke

7 posted on 09/07/2012 4:53:21 AM PDT by Zakeet (10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not)
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To: TurboZamboni

“Strong” and “independent” feminists look for daddies and husbands in politicians. They look for somebody who will provide for, care for and protect them. But, oh no, they don;t need men. They can go it alone.


8 posted on 09/07/2012 5:09:59 AM PDT by all the best (`~!)
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To: TurboZamboni
Seriously, the party of Andrew Jackson and Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman chose to showcase someone whose claim to fame is that she demands that somebody else pay for her birth control.

Hey, at least they're open about their priorities.

9 posted on 09/07/2012 5:12:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Spinach at every meal.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I find it amusing and perplexing that feminine leftists like Fluke, who perpetually spout off about strong, independent women, are the people who demand Big Government control every aspect of people’s lives. They say they don’t want the dreaded Patriarchy controlling their miserable lives, but they sure don’t mind Big Totalitarian Government telling them what to do.


10 posted on 09/07/2012 5:13:16 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: KC Burke

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sluts-and-condoms-for-obama/article/2507187


11 posted on 09/07/2012 5:15:49 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: driftless2

Maybe this perspective will help-

It’s not that they mind a big totalitarian government controlling them, it’s that they want a big totalitarian government that can control you. The trade off is worth it to them.


12 posted on 09/07/2012 5:19:42 AM PDT by cliniclinical (space for rent)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

“The short answer, to use an old description, is that Sandra is a “Clueless Dweeb”.”

Well, yes.

Look. My pastime is building model sailing ships. I pay for that on my own dime and would not dream of asking either my employer or any government to pay for the items I need to enjoy this pastime. After all, I do it because I enjoy the time I spend on it.

Ms. Fluke on the other hand, expects others to pay the expenses associated with her pastimes. Because if the object of sex is not procreation, it is just a pastime — something you do for pleasure, no different than my building model ships.

So Ms. Fluke, let’s make a deal. If you expect others to pay for your hobbies, how about paying me for mine. (Trust me — a Preac Saw costs a lot more than a year’s worth of condoms or generic birth control pills. Haven’t bought one, since I cannot afford it. With you paying the freight, no problem.)


13 posted on 09/07/2012 5:20:02 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: TurboZamboni
(S)he's a dude!

See what a billion dollar boyfriend can buy for you?

14 posted on 09/07/2012 5:24:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: driftless2

She’s the horndog frat boy’s dream first date. Pay for everything and you’re guaranteed to get some.


15 posted on 09/07/2012 5:25:42 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

And of course the first REAL feminists, who were often JAILED for demonstrating for women’s suffrage, were very much pro-life.

They rightly saw abortion as violence against women and children.


16 posted on 09/07/2012 5:31:38 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: TurboZamboni
I STILL have no clue what these ladies are mad about.

We can vote. Work in any field. Take off any time to have kids. Return weeks or years later to the work force with no stigma attached. We almost always are awarded the house and kids in a divorce. We have access to women's shelters in every major city. We can have abortions and are not even required to notify the father. We are given special treatment for being women business owners. We have entire industries catering to our every hearts desire. We get to be offended if anyone suggests we do anything domestic. We can be notoriously promiscuous and still accuse a man of rape, and ruin him. On a whim we can threaten to sue for sexual harassment. We can demand to be taken seriously, and it is acceptable for us to flirt or cry or scream in order to get our way.

The War on Women slogan is so catchy and fun to say, but seriously ALL this noise because loose women now want strangers to pay for their condoms and abortion clinic visits? Ridiculous! These feminists are nasty monsters and I can not identify with them at all.

17 posted on 09/07/2012 5:32:17 AM PDT by Casie
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To: driftless2

Exactly and bingo. You nailed it.


18 posted on 09/07/2012 5:32:30 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: left that other site

They saw abortion for what it was - the way a man could get sex without commitment of marriage.


19 posted on 09/07/2012 5:35:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: TurboZamboni

Dems are “pro-choice”, but only within the realm of sex.

ANY other aspect of your life requires their control and permission.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/09/05/dnc-participants-pro-choice-on-abortion-but-nothing-else/


20 posted on 09/07/2012 5:38:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: TurboZamboni

So much of this worship of evil by leftist women is because of abortion.

Abortion is an incredibly wicked act. It can be forgiven, by Christ Himself. Someday, that mother and her child can look forward to a rendezvous in heaven. But, for the woman who has not reconciled herself to the killing of her unborn child, the emotional and spiritual consequences are horrific.

Anyone living with unconfessed sin that has not come before God seeking mercy and forgiveness will be slowly driven spiritually mad.

Christ's atonement is infinite - but we must ask for Him to forgive. Without that, we are lost.

Abortion is a powerful chain upon the necks of guilty women who must (they MUST) seek some form of condolence. Without God's forgiveness, they lust for worldly confirmation that what they did was "OK" and that they are justified.

The millions of women who rush in lockstep to the Democrats do so because the Democrats offer false validation for their sins. In the end, this deception will only lead to more depravity, and then to Hell itself.

21 posted on 09/07/2012 5:42:41 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: TurboZamboni

22 posted on 09/07/2012 5:44:55 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: TurboZamboni

KEEP YOUR LAWS OFF OUR BODY! Uh, except for Obamacare, where we control your body!


23 posted on 09/07/2012 5:47:23 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: TurboZamboni

24 posted on 09/07/2012 5:50:21 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: KC Burke

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2927622/posts?page=66#66


25 posted on 09/07/2012 5:52:00 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Casie

I want to copy yourpost and send it to everyone.h


26 posted on 09/07/2012 5:52:19 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: Tax-chick
...she demands that somebody else pay for her birth control.

It would seem that the totally free method of birth control, not "doing it," is out of the question.

Of course that would mean self control, instead of having the government controlling others for your own benefit.

27 posted on 09/07/2012 5:56:16 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: TurboZamboni
...Clinton is a great political performer--the greatest since Reagan, arguably greater (in this regard) than Reagan...

Oh, really.

We have all seen the quotes from Reagan, they are part of the lexicon, notable in their succinct wisdom.

I wonder where that list of Clinton's quotes is, is?

28 posted on 09/07/2012 5:57:06 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Where can I donate money for contraceptives so Sandra Fluke (pronounced like duck) can have sex with DNC delegates?


29 posted on 09/07/2012 6:03:37 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: CPOSharky
Silly, sexist male!

Don't you realize that in liberal world women reproduce by parthenogenesis. No feminist woman would require a man to reproduce you ignorant Neanderthal.

< /SARC>

30 posted on 09/07/2012 6:04:42 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: TurboZamboni

I wonder how she had TIME to attend the convention!!


31 posted on 09/07/2012 6:30:04 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: TurboZamboni

32 posted on 09/07/2012 6:39:55 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Tax-chick
...the party of Andrew Jackson and Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman chose to showcase someone whose claim to fame is that she demands that somebody else pay for her birth control.

Unbelievable isn't it?

33 posted on 09/07/2012 6:41:39 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: left that other site

The logic of contraception is that there is something wrong with being a healthy woman. Nobody who buys into that reasoning can be considered “pro-woman.”


34 posted on 09/07/2012 7:22:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Spinach at every meal.)
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To: Rummyfan

I think that “free” contraception and the promotion of homosexuality are symbolic, or perhaps “iconic,” elements of the larger leftist wish for a world in which it’s possible to live without responsibility or self-control.


35 posted on 09/07/2012 7:32:35 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Spinach at every meal.)
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To: Tax-chick
The logic of contraception is that there is something wrong with being a healthy woman.

That's half of it: a functioning uterus and ovaries constitute a disease, which must be treated.

The other half is that there is something wrong with being a healthy man.

Functioning testicles constitute poison, against which one needs protection.

36 posted on 09/07/2012 7:42:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The other half is that there is something wrong with being a healthy man. Functioning testicles constitute poison, against which one needs protection.

Well, yes, that's true, but ultimately, the terrifying outcome they're all so committed to preventing is the birth of a baby, and only women conceive and give birth. We might say it's not a "war on women," but really a "war on babies," in true King Herod fashion.

Nonetheless, from either side, it's humanity insisting, "God, you made us all WRONG! We don't want life!"

37 posted on 09/07/2012 7:51:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Spinach at every meal.)
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To: MrB

Indeed.

Even a miscarriage that occurs naturally is a trauma and heartache for the average woman.

Imagine what a willful abortion would cause.


38 posted on 09/07/2012 8:05:27 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yes. I agree.


39 posted on 09/07/2012 8:16:14 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: KC Burke

40 posted on 09/07/2012 9:36:38 AM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Tax-chick

Ted Kennedy is the only politician with a confirmed kill in the “war on women”.


41 posted on 09/07/2012 2:27:19 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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