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Marijuana Fights Cancer and Helps Manage Side Effects, Researchers Find
Newsweek/The Daily Beast ^ | Sep 6, 2012 | Martin A. Lee

Posted on 09/08/2012 12:51:31 PM PDT by neverdem

Cristina Sanchez, a young biologist at Complutense University in Madrid, was studying cell metabolism when she noticed something peculiar. She had been screening brain cancer cells because they grow faster than normal cell lines and thus are useful for research purposes. But the cancer cells died each time they were exposed to tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the principal psychoactive ingredient of marijuana.

Instead of gaining insight into how cells function, Sanchez had stumbled upon the anti-cancer properties of THC. In 1998, she reported in a European biochemistry journal that THC “induces apoptosis [cell death] in C6 glioma cells,” an aggressive form of brain cancer. 

Subsequent peer-reviewed studies in several countries would show that THC and other marijuana-derived compounds, known as “cannabinoids,” are effective not only for cancer-symptom management (nausea, pain, loss of appetite, fatigue), they also confer a direct antitumoral effect

A team of Spanish scientists led by Manuel Guzman conducted the first clinical trial assessing the antitumoral action of THC on human beings. Guzman administered pure THC via a catheter into the tumors of nine hospitalized patients with glioblastoma, who had failed to respond to standard brain-cancer therapies. The results were published in 2006 in the British Journal of Pharmacology: THC treatment was associated with significantly reduced tumor cell proliferation in every test subject

Around the same time, Harvard University scientists ++reported++[ http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v95/n2/abs/6603236a.html] that THC slows tumor growth in common lung cancer and “significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread.” What’s more, like a heat-seeking missile, THC selectively targets and destroys tumor cells while leaving healthy cells unscathed. Conventional chemotherapy drugs, by contrast, are highly toxic; they indiscriminately damage the brain and body.

Medical Marijuana Crackdown

Aric Crabb, Bay Area News Group / AP Photos

There is mounting evidence, according to a report in Mini-Reviews in Medicinal Chemistry, that cannabinoids “represent a new class of anticancer drugs that retard cancer growth, inhibit angiogenesis [the formation of new blood cells that feed a tumor] and the metastatic spreading of cancer cells.”

Dr. Sean McAllister, a scientist at the Pacific Medical Center in San Francisco, has been studying cannabinoid compounds for 10 years in a quest to develop new therapeutic interventions for various cancers. Backed by grants from the National Institute of Health (and with a license from the DEA), McAllister discovered that cannabidiol (CBD), a nonpsychoactive component of the marijuana plant, is a potent inhibitor of breast cancer cell proliferation, metastasis, and tumor growth. 

In 2007, McAllister published a detailed account of how cannabidiol kills breast cancer cells and destroys malignant tumors by switching off expression of the ID-1 gene, a protein that appears to play a major role as a cancer cell conductor.   

The ID-1 gene is active during human embryonic development, after which it turns off and stays off. But in breast cancer and several other types of metastatic cancer, the ID-1 gene becomes active again, causing malignant cells to invade and metastasize. “Dozens of aggressive cancers express this gene,” explains McAllister. He postulates that CBD, by virtue of its ability to silence ID-1 expression, could be a breakthrough anti-cancer medication.

“Cannabidiol offers hope of a non-toxic therapy that could treat aggressive forms of cancer without any of the painful side effects of chemotherapy,” says McAllister, who is seeking support to conduct clinical trials with the marijuana compound on breast cancer patients.

McAllister’s lab also is analyzing how CBD works in combination with first-line chemotherapy agents. His research shows that cannabidiol, a potent antitumoral compound in its own right, acts synergistically with various anti-cancer pharmaceuticals, enhancing their impact while cutting the toxic dosage necessary for maximum effect.

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Breast cancer cells killed by CBD on right compared to untreated breast cancer cells on left. (Courtesy Pacific Medical Center)

“Cannabidiol offers hope of a non-toxic therapy that could treat aggressive forms of cancer without any of the painful side effects of chemotherapy.

Investigators at St. George’s University in London observed a similar pattern with THC, which magnified the effectiveness of conventional antileukemia therapies in preclinical studies. THC and cannabidiol both induce apoptosis in leukemic cell lines.

At the annual summer conference of the International Cannabinoid Research Society, held this year in Freiburg, Germany, 300 scientists from around the world discussed their latest findings, which are pointing the way toward novel treatment strategies for cancer and other degenerative diseases. Italian investigators described CBD as “the most efficacious inducer of apoptosis” in prostate cancer. Ditto for cannabidiol and colon cancer, according to British researchers at Lancaster University.

Within the medical science community, the discovery that cannabinoids have anti-tumoral properties is increasingly recognized as a seminal advancement in cancer therapeutics.

Martin A. Lee is the author of Smoke Signals: A Social History of Marijuana – Medical, Recreational and Scientific (Scribner, August 2012). He is the cofounder of the media watch group FAIR, director of Project CBD, and the author of Acid Dreams and The Beast Reawakens. For more information and regular updates, follow Smoke Signals—the book on Facebook.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Testing
KEYWORDS: cancer; cannabis; drugs; drugwar; marijuana; medicalmarijuana; medicine; medpot; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: GeronL

Why can’t we just grow it and smoke it?


51 posted on 09/08/2012 2:43:15 PM PDT by TBall
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To: SparkyBass

LOLOL


52 posted on 09/08/2012 2:43:32 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: ansel12
They have put others at risk by carrying it, or seeking it when we have traveled, and the things and the people that their habit supports is the thing of nightmares, when we see 70 headless bodies discovered, or learn that traveling in our parks and forests, can be like traveling down a booby trapped trail in Vietnam.

Those headless bodies and boobytrapped parks are our reality only because of the prohibition policies you support.

Legalizing the use of marijuana and allowing people to grow for their own use would put an end to those horrors you bring up.

53 posted on 09/08/2012 2:50:32 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: driftless2

Marijuana can not mend smashed knees.

Nevertheless, it ought to be beneath the dignity of the State to regulate common weeds, except where they are an agricultural nuisance, like Russian thistle or knapweed.

Cannabis is not such a weed, and if it was, there are already such laws protecting farming and the environment.

The War on Pot makes the government look absurd - perhaps that’s a good thing!


54 posted on 09/08/2012 2:52:11 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: ansel12
Please don’t turn this into one of those stoner things where every thing has to be parsed and picked at endlessly.

IOWs your comments are above being responded to.

To hear you tell things you know more "stoners" than I (or any other FR pot user) does. You must because in 45 years I've never seen the behavior you constantly claim you've seen.

55 posted on 09/08/2012 2:52:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: BipolarBob

“... close relatives/friends who did of and survived cancer, I can say the effects are positive”.

When my Mom had pancreatic cancer (that she did die from), if I had known how to get marijuana for her.. I would have. Her doctors gave her plenty of pain medicine but the chemo made her so sick. She literally had three saltines a day or two gingersnap cookies. If pot could have reduced her vomiting and increased her appetite then it would have helped her. I could literally see her wasting away. I would check on her in the morning and swear she was thinner by the same evening. No prescription drugs would help.


56 posted on 09/08/2012 2:54:04 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Wissa

LOL, typical addict language, we behead people and booby trap your forests, because you straights and your laws, force us to.


57 posted on 09/08/2012 2:54:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: longtermmemmory
If this was a legit actual proven medical use there is no need for pothead stores with a pretext. Doctors would perscribe it and it would be purchased at the pharmacy. (and there would be automatic license suspensions for those thus perscribed)

If it weren't legit, then why has the federal government held a patent on it since 2003? (US Patent 6630507 titled “Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants”)

58 posted on 09/08/2012 2:54:28 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: ansel12
In your lifelong use of the drug, you have never been places, or participating in things or events, or in someone’s automobile without announcing to everyone that you were in possession, ever?

Not with anyone who would have a problem with that. I don't impose that way on people. For the most part I never carry it at all once I get it home. Which has been extremely seldom to begin with. When I acquire it it is usually brought to me.

59 posted on 09/08/2012 2:56:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: headsonpikes

Cannabis is actually very good for agricultural land. Its roots go deep and break up hard compacted clays, introduce organic matter a couple of feet below the surface and hold soil that is prone to erosion very tightly. When plowed under it introduces almost as much nutrients as stinging nettles so it’s a good cover crop too.


60 posted on 09/08/2012 3:00:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Magic Fingers
Her transplant surgeon stated that he wished he could prescribe real marijuana for her.

He has a point there. Marinol is made from synthetic THC. I do not know how potent synthetic THC is compared to the real THC. The dosage of Marinol can be controlled. Options to administer the drug need to be improved.

Other ways of administering Marinol are being looked into, according to Google sources, such as a patch or inhaler. A patch or inhaler could be more effective than taking a pill for nausea, especially if you keep throwing up the pills. We had to use suppositories for one of our children when he had a major vomiting problem; had the flu.

61 posted on 09/08/2012 3:00:55 PM PDT by olezip
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To: vet7279
Researchers also announced man is the cause of global warming, milk causes cancer and it takes a village to raise a child.... are we picking and choosing which researcher we believe?

There is research to the contrary for each of those claims; where is the contrary research here?

Or do you recommend we disbelieve everything scientists say?

62 posted on 09/08/2012 3:01:42 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: BipolarBob
As a person who has known several close relatives/friends who died of and survived cancer, I can say the effects are positive. Marijuana helps with the chemo sickness and weight loss. For those with terminal cancer, then addiction will not be a problem is it? They’re dying and only the most obtuse uncaring person would deny them whatever relief they can get. Marijuana does not have the side effects of powerful pain relievers where you don’t know what day it is or whom your family are. The positives outweigh the negatives.

I don't get people getting worked up over marijuana being legalized and prescribed by a doctor. All the pharmaceuticals sold now that are filled with horrific chemicals and side effects, yet doctors hand them out like candy for every and any issue.
63 posted on 09/08/2012 3:02:37 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: ansel12
LOL, typical addict language, ...

It took a while but the Drug Warrior version of the Race Card has finally been played. LOL

64 posted on 09/08/2012 3:04:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: ansel12
the horrors of the beheading, fish hook hanging in national parks, drug lords that they and the War On Drugs support

There, I completed it.

65 posted on 09/08/2012 3:05:03 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ansel12
LOL, typical addict language, we behead people and booby trap your forests, because you straights and your laws, force us to.

The probition policies you support lead to incredibly profitable criminal enterprises... profitable enough to protect by killing people... and that leaves you laughing out loud?

66 posted on 09/08/2012 3:05:41 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12

“It must be addictive in some way, I know many people that have been unable to give it up although it was illegal, people who have broken drug laws for 45 years, people who have lost their military careers because they needed it and could not stop.

A lot of the people here who are on the surface, law-abiding conservatives, who need clean records to live, will admit that they continue to use, decade after decade, close call, after close call, risk, after risk.
They are not ‘addicted’, yet they can’t stop, no matter the cost or what things that they must do outside of the law to stay supplied, even when traveling, and the horrors of the beheading, fish hook hanging in national parks, drug lords that they support does not overcome that need.”

The article is about legitimate medical research, specific use a chemical substance to treat a cancer.

The article does NOT suggest preventative medicine, ie self-prescribed smoking MJ like a chimney for decades, to guard against cancer.

Doctors prescribe addictive pain medicine when pain is involved. Ask them, and they will say immediate pain is the thing needing treatment; if addiction occurs they can treat that later.

Consider a family member with life threatening cancer. The doctor says it can treated with MJ; high success rate, possible side effect addiction, which they can also treat.

Finally prohibition worked wonderfully, as does the war on drugs now.

Treatments for cancer and addictions are two SEPARATE subjects, in medicine.


67 posted on 09/08/2012 3:07:45 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: TigersEye

With almost a half century with this, I don’t find that claim credible.

Potheads go out, they travel, get into cars, get rides, show up at parties and enter houses when their friend stops off for errands or to say hi to someone, or to pick someone else up, they do all the social activities and sometimes, if not often, they have their dope with them, that is often the reason that they are out and about, they want to party, socialize, and at some point use the drug.

I find it difficult to believe that your path never led you into someones home, or into their car, or with other passengers or people in a home who would not want to be involved in a potential drug bust while you were holding.


68 posted on 09/08/2012 3:09:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: olezip
Marinol is made from synthetic THC.

Which is only one of the dozens of active ingredients in cannabis.

I have a radical idea: why not leave medical decisions up to doctors and their patients, rather than government? (Isn't that what opposition to 0bamacare is all about?)

69 posted on 09/08/2012 3:09:56 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: DNME

I’ve seen a lot more personal destruction with booze by far than by pot.
I haven’t had a drink for 15 years. I smoke a half a joint about three times a year works better than any prescription medication there is out there to keep off booze. I know I tried them all first three years of sobriety.I was going to start drinking again 5 or 6 years ago. Decide to smoke a little pot instead. So when the urge to drink is strong every 4 or 5 months I smoke a little.Takes the edge off and I don’t desire either one for long periods of time.


70 posted on 09/08/2012 3:10:06 PM PDT by tshaun
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To: truth_seeker

Post 13 was to post 8, look into it.


71 posted on 09/08/2012 3:11:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Wissa

LOL, again the member of the drug world defending the horrors of his habit by claiming victim hood rather than saying that he will stop paying for the beheadings and booby traps.


72 posted on 09/08/2012 3:16:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: TigersEye

You sound like one of my skunk-farming friends up here in the Kootenays...

Around these parts, growing a few pounds of bud is like old-time farmers sending cream off to town for the cash.

Between that and garlic and pine mushrooms, a lot of old hippies manage to put together a living in these isolated valleys.


73 posted on 09/08/2012 3:18:15 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
I have a radical idea: why not leave medical decisions up to doctors and their patients, rather than government? (Isn't that what opposition to 0bamacare is all about?)

That isn't why we oppose socialized medicine, and doctors don't make the laws, or else doctors in Florida would be banning guns for their patients, and giving abortion on demand.

74 posted on 09/08/2012 3:21:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: ansel12; Wissa
The probition policies you support lead to incredibly profitable criminal enterprises... profitable enough to protect by killing people

LOL, again the member of the drug world

Your baseless personal attack is duly noted.

defending the horrors of his habit by claiming victim hood rather than saying that he will stop paying for the beheadings and booby traps.

The beheadings and booby traps will end when either of the following happens:

Which is an achievable goal, and which is a utopian statist fantasy?

75 posted on 09/08/2012 3:23:01 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ansel12
LOL, again the member of the drug world defending the horrors of his habit by claiming victim hood rather than saying that he will stop paying for the beheadings and booby traps.

What "member of the drug world" are you referring to? I haven't used any illegal drugs in over three decades. Not since my college days. Almost as long as it's been since I was guilty of underage drinking.

76 posted on 09/08/2012 3:23:31 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12
I have a radical idea: why not leave medical decisions up to doctors and their patients, rather than government? (Isn't that what opposition to 0bamacare is all about?)

That isn't why we oppose socialized medicine,

Who's "we" - you and the mouse in your pocket? That has indeed been stated as a reason to oppose 0bamacare. (What is your reason?)

and doctors don't make the laws, or else doctors in Florida would be banning guns for their patients

That's stupid, even for you - doctors can't ban their patients from doing anything.

77 posted on 09/08/2012 3:25:43 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ansel12
and giving abortion on demand.

Abortion kills an unwilling victim - marijuana use does not.

78 posted on 09/08/2012 3:26:45 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: TigersEye

Remember that we conservatives are having these discussions with mostly illegal drug users, that has nothing to do with a race card, unless you want to compare a conservative talking to actual Klan members as using the ‘race card’.


79 posted on 09/08/2012 3:27:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: ansel12
Remember that we conservatives are having these discussions with mostly illegal drug users

Remember that this claim is your unsupported ad hominem fantasy.

80 posted on 09/08/2012 3:29:15 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: olezip

I would like to refer the skeptics to this article published on June 19, 2010 in Science News:
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/issue/id/59966/title/June_19th,_2010%3B_Vol.177_%2313

Here is a partial list of cancers that have been shown to have documented sensitivity to cannabinoids (CBD, THC).
Lung carinoma - decresed tumor size
Glioma - programmed cell death
Prostate carcinoma- cell death
Lymphoma- cell death
Skin carcinoma- cell death

Is marijuana a panacea plant that will save the earth? Of course not, but it does have many beneficial uses for human health and well being. Besides combating nausea, multiple sclerosis, inflamation, it has also proven to save the lives of many of our combat veterans who suffer and commit suicide from PTSD (THC activates the part of the brain that helps us forget things, hence the “stoner” stigma of forgetting etc), but this is exactly what many our boys coming home need in order to get rid of their PTSD. And it is also why the VA has changed its own rules and now allows veterans who live in states that have legalized medical marijuana to continue to receive treatment from the VA if they use marijuana (before the VA would refuse services to such individuals).

See here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/24/health/policy/24veterans.html?pagewanted=all

And also here:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/05/30/20120530veterans-say-marijuana-eases-ptsd.html

It is a shame that misinformation, stereotyping, and religious/moral judgements have gotten in the way of the truth about medical marijuana for such a long time. But the information is out there and I would ask that before you scoff or scorn, you become informed and either way you decide, become involved.


81 posted on 09/08/2012 3:29:51 PM PDT by ColoradoKid (Yes officer I do have my medical marijuana card right here.)
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To: ColoradoKid
I would ask that before you scoff or scorn, you become informed

Truth is the first casualty of utopian statism.

82 posted on 09/08/2012 3:31:55 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ansel12
I find it difficult to believe that your path never led you into someones home, or into their car, or with other passengers or people in a home who would not want to be involved in a potential drug bust while you were holding.

That's because you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about either from the legal perspective or the physiological perspective. People who have pot in their homes are highly unlikely to be subject to a bust. I know of no one over the years that has been "busted." If they have pot there why would I take mine? The legal consequences of less than an oz. is a fine with no arrest anyway. If someone else is "holding" while in my vehicle they get the ticket not me and I have only been pulled over twice in the last 45 years because my vehicles are always in good shape, tags up to date and my driving is excellent.

I doubt that your anecdotes are true but if they are I have to wonder why you associate with such people. All of my friends are responsible working people who don't drive badly, get into fights, have loud drunken parties or act like teenagers.

The local police and sheriffs here have almost zero interest in minor pot arrests to boot. 90% of those arrests are the kids who are driving like jerks and DUIs. The alcohol is what does them in. The people I associate with don't act the way you describe and won't long tolerate those who do around them. I don't.

83 posted on 09/08/2012 3:32:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

No, opposition to socialized medicine is not because of a desire to let doctors and patients do whatever they want, and a law against a doctor and patient doing an abortion procedure, which is currently legal, would be a good thing, not a bad thing.


84 posted on 09/08/2012 3:33:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: headsonpikes

That doesn’t sound bad to me but the last time I grew my own was ‘78 or before. Not worth it to me.


85 posted on 09/08/2012 3:35:17 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: ansel12
I have a radical idea: why not leave medical decisions up to doctors and their patients, rather than government? (Isn't that what opposition to 0bamacare is all about?)

That isn't why we oppose socialized medicine,

Who's "we" - you and the mouse in your pocket? That has indeed been stated as a reason to oppose 0bamacare. (What is your reason?)

No, opposition to socialized medicine is not because of a desire to let doctors and patients do whatever they want

Which part of "medical decisions" did you not understand?

and doctors don't make the laws, or else doctors in Florida would be banning guns for their patients

That's stupid, even for you - doctors can't ban their patients from doing anything.

86 posted on 09/08/2012 3:37:07 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ansel12
a law against a doctor and patient doing an abortion procedure, which is currently legal, would be a good thing, not a bad thing.

As I said in post #78, "Abortion kills an unwilling victim - marijuana use does not."

87 posted on 09/08/2012 3:38:53 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: TigersEye

I have seen much more of the drug world than the typical freeper.

Most of you are just middle class users who disassociate yourselves from what your money buys and don’t know much about it.


88 posted on 09/08/2012 3:40:28 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: ansel12

Having seen the replies here it seems you have assumed wrong again and the majority here are not drug users. Regardless, you use the ad-hominem attack of “you’re a drug user etc” the same as the Race Card. Which is why this is my last post to you. Being no different that an Al Charlatan or a Je$$e Jerkson, I refuse to participate with you in anything. You have no place in my world.


89 posted on 09/08/2012 3:43:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Your medical doctors are increasingly seeing guns as part of being a medical problem for their patients.

Abortion is also an issue between the doctor and his patient, we want to pass laws interfering with that relationship.


90 posted on 09/08/2012 3:44:28 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
I have a radical idea: why not leave medical decisions up to doctors and their patients, rather than government? (Isn't that what opposition to 0bamacare is all about?)

That's one of the major reasons I oppose socialize medicine and have for over 30 years. Statists might get different mileage.

91 posted on 09/08/2012 3:48:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

For crying out loud, when normal people are talking to druggies and junkies, how does race baiting and black hustlers fit in?

They are more like the illegal drug users, than the good guys arguing for a conservative, sane, healthy society.


92 posted on 09/08/2012 3:49:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: TigersEye

You sure strayed from the point.

“In your lifelong use of the drug, you have never been places, or participating in things or events, or in someone’s automobile without announcing to everyone that you were in possession, ever?”


93 posted on 09/08/2012 3:50:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: ansel12
and doctors don't make the laws, or else doctors in Florida would be banning guns for their patients

That's stupid, even for you - doctors can't ban their patients from doing anything.

Your medical doctors

"My" medical doctors? Who do you go to - voodoo priests?

are increasingly seeing guns as part of being a medical problem for their patients.

Doctors have for decades (or longer) seen sedentary lifestyles as a medical problem for their patients - have they banned them?

Abortion is also an issue between the doctor and his patient

Wrong - an unwilling third party is involved. This is not the case with use of any medication, including marijuana.

94 posted on 09/08/2012 3:53:52 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: TigersEye; ansel12
I have a radical idea: why not leave medical decisions up to doctors and their patients, rather than government? (Isn't that what opposition to 0bamacare is all about?)

That's one of the major reasons I oppose socialized medicine and have for over 30 years.

So, ansel12, is TigersEye lying about his reason for opposing socialized medicine - or about being opposed to socialized medicine? Or were you wrong in claiming, "That isn't why we oppose socialized medicine"?

95 posted on 09/08/2012 4:01:14 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Why does it take you two posts every time, why can’t you usually answer or post to me with a single post?


96 posted on 09/08/2012 4:04:59 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: ansel12
Why does it take you two posts every time, why can’t you usually answer or post to me with a single post?

That's a pathetic attempt to misdirect from the substantive arguments you're losing ... and also wrong: see the post you replied to, and also posts 94, 80, 72, and 65

97 posted on 09/08/2012 4:11:10 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: neverdem
I drive by several MMJ dispensaries on my commute. Almost everyone I see walking inside is a healthy looking young man.

I suspect the "medical" needs for MJ are bogus 99% of the time.

98 posted on 09/08/2012 4:18:11 PM PDT by stillonaroll (Nominate a non-RINO in 2012!...uh, too late, never mind.)
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To: stillonaroll
I suspect the "medical" needs for MJ are bogus 99% of the time.

So the 1% can go suck eggs?

99 posted on 09/08/2012 4:19:48 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Actually it was a real question, also I doubt that the rest of us need you pinging us to each other’s posts and asking questions in our behalf, like you did in post 95.


100 posted on 09/08/2012 4:20:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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