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Romney Says He Likes Parts of 'Obamacare'
Austin Statesman ^ | 9/9/12 | AP

Posted on 09/09/2012 7:01:46 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas

"Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I'm going to put in place," he said in an interview broadcast Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." ''One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage."

Romney also said he would allow young adults to keep their coverage under their parents' health-insurance.

Those provisions have been two of the more popular parts of Obama's Affordable Care Act.

"I say we're going to replace Obamacare. And I'm replacing it with my own plan," Romney said. "And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people."

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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I actually like parts of it too:

the Medical Loss Ratio is a great provision

that doesn’t mean I’m a commie. It means that I’m sick of bloated health insurers spending less than 25% of premiums on actual ...healthcare. That is freakin ridiculous.

I think obamacare is wrong in it’s approach. More competition would fix this (across state lines) , but there is no freakin reason that some of these large AT&T-like payors are spending < 25% of premiums on healthcare. That is why we are seeing the huge increases.


51 posted on 09/09/2012 7:59:47 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Hey, what gives? On the RNC convention live thread, they were saying Romney would be our King David! This shocks me! /s


52 posted on 09/09/2012 7:59:47 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Guess what I like part of it too, the pre-existing part of it. So sue me.


53 posted on 09/09/2012 7:59:47 AM PDT by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: TWhiteBear

>> Romney may be dumb enough to lose this election. Now, as he continues his lunge to the Left,

I don’t get you people. Did you really believe he’s changed from his MA days?

Romney for about a year now: REPEAL AND REPLACE!!!

The staggering bewilderment over Romney’s Liberal views is astonishing given the alleged acumen of the typical Conservative.

Romney’s a Lib, Obama’s a Marxist. Still undecided?


54 posted on 09/09/2012 8:00:24 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Wait till Obamacare comes up in the debates.


55 posted on 09/09/2012 8:01:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Romney begins to slither and shed his 'conservative' skin to reveal the person he really is.

This is always the plan with the GOP. The only reason the populace supports or votes for their candidates is because the other side is so absurd.

In the end, the country steers left, because both parties want it that way. Just like herding sheep.

56 posted on 09/09/2012 8:02:45 AM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh, Obama’s team is storing this all up. If you think Romney blushed and stammered during the primary debates, wait till October.


57 posted on 09/09/2012 8:03:15 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: CatherineofAragon
If you think Romney blushed and stammered during the primary debates

How quickly people forget that Anne Romney declared that her husband would take part in no more debates when he stated getting beat up in them.
58 posted on 09/09/2012 8:06:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DEADROCK

While I agree this is wrong, do you realize the republicans are not willing to eliminate these benefits? They just aren’t. And polls show everyone wants them.

The defeat of Obama is essential for all kinds of vital reasons, defense, tax policy, Supreme Court, illegals, voter ID, US Attorneys.

But America has an entitlement sickness.

The only positive is, the republicans do support some free market mechanisms to reform health insurance. Like interstate competition.


59 posted on 09/09/2012 8:07:18 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: cripplecreek

I forgot it myself-—thanks for the reminder, LOL.


60 posted on 09/09/2012 8:08:16 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: jjw
nobody will insure if pre-existing conditions must be paid for. this guy is an ass.

Wrong, no one will be insurable (eventually) if pre-existing conditions are NOT covered.

You're missing the point. Everyone eventually gets some form of disease (in the generic sense of the term) for which they're covered until they either lose their job, their health care plan changes, or some other factor. It's at that point that their "pre-existing condition" becomes un-insurable, and typically they themselves then become un-insurable.

If you're going to stick with your position, then you'd best hope you end up dying healthy and never needing insurance in the first place.

I'll add one other thing before I put my flame suit on: Anyone who thinks that we're "going back" to the old system where people get booted off their insurance policy or claims not getting paid for has a serious screw loose. IMO, that is the ONLY benefit of Obamacare passing in the first place.

By that I specifically mean repeal, replace, and REPAIR those parts of our health-care system that need repairing. No one in their right minds wants government-controlled healthcare, nor do they want to go back to what the Insurance companies have gotten away with for years, denying coverage for every little thing while taking our premiums in payment for a service they don't provide.

Personally, I pay $9,600 for health care insurance annually, and have a $2,500 deductible that I must meet before my insurance pays dime ONE of a claim. So why am I paying $9,600 + a $2,500 deductible every year for Health Care insurance when I typically spend about $800/year towards my deductible? That's insane.

The Health Care insurer (Blue Cross/Shield of IL) is getting $9,600 PURE PROFIT for zero service, and all because NOW the Government says I have to PAY for insurance. It's a LAW in Illinois that if your insurer provides health care coverage and you have no other means of insurance, and if you can't PROVE you have health-care coverage elsewhere, all employees are automatically enrolled in the Employer's plan and have NO CHOICE but to pay. That's GOVERNMENT MANDATED HEALTHCARE, long before ObamaCare existed! It's a protected MONOPOLY here in IL where a handful of insurers have locked up the market!

That ain't right. Bring on COMPETITION and let's see those premiums drop I say.

61 posted on 09/09/2012 8:08:59 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Andrei Bulba

We have plenty of good people crying in the wilderness, but those who control the conditions have those potential leaders you eloquently described we need, under a tight leash.

These “overlords” hold great power and wealth as they run “the show” comfortably in the background. Not a conspiracy, just normal power grabs by lobbyists and Utopians who are either of the Marxists persuasion or practical planning of bureaucratic “compassion” with tax breaks thrown in.


62 posted on 09/09/2012 8:09:54 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: P.O.E.
Hey Mitt - When your opponent is losing the argument SHUT UP.

Exactly! As I recall, the dims didn't even bring up BammyCare at their convention. Why go there, Mitt??

63 posted on 09/09/2012 8:10:15 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: jjw
nobody will insure if pre-existing conditions must be paid for. this guy is an ass.

Exactly... Unless everyone is put into a national pool, and insurers are assigned customers randomly. Maybe something like that is the plan.

We pay for the uninsured regardless, because hospitals are required by law to accept the indigent.

Maybe this works in theory, but here in MA, rates are going through the roof.

64 posted on 09/09/2012 8:12:03 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing, but just what is a person to do if they have an existing illness and need to change carriers?


65 posted on 09/09/2012 8:12:13 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Orange1998
omney makes decision based on the given tide. He wants to be liked by everyone and thus becomes submissive. That is not the definition of a leader. May God help us.

At least he can be lead around by the nose, unlike the Marxist. It would be an improvement. Yeah, pathetic, I know.

66 posted on 09/09/2012 8:14:15 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage.”

Think, folks, before you react.

First, the number of folks who can’t get coverage because of pre-existing conditions is relatively small. It is a small part of our health payment system crisis. Unfortunately, forcing guaranteed issue on insurance companies is a great way to make the problem much, much larger, especially without an enforceable mandate, which is something, I think, that would go away with the repeal of Obamacare.

But it’s probably one of the few points of Obamacare that garners widespread support. Most folks can’t stand the idea of some little kid, born with some hideous disease, unable to get good health care because his parents can’t obtain insurance for him.

That’s the sizzle selling the cowpie that is Obamacare. Poor little Johnnie will be able to get that life-saving treatment that otherwise would cost his family a gazillion dollars, forcing them to choose between his life and putting food on the table for their 11 other children.

But, notice what Gov. Romney doesn’t say: He doesn’t say, “We’ll continue with guaranteed issue.”

He doesn’t say that he’s going to force every insurance company in the market to issue health insurance policies to any and everyone, no matter what they’re health conditions.

He just says that his plan will ensure that even folks with pre-existing conditions will be able to get coverage.

If he doesn’t lay out a plan to deal with this relatively-small group of individuals, he will not garner the popular support needed to repeal Obamacare.

There are more ways to skin this cat than guaranteed issue.

Before I get all apoplectic about this, I’ll wait to see how he proposes to do this.


67 posted on 09/09/2012 8:15:34 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: newnhdad

I remember Newt (the candidate I supported in the primary) making mention of the health care bill, saying that “about 300 pages were actually pretty good”.

We need to be objective here.


68 posted on 09/09/2012 8:17:29 AM PDT by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

SOMETHING has to be done to help people with pre-existing conditions.
What is your solution???


69 posted on 09/09/2012 8:19:02 AM PDT by kimchi lover ("I can see November from Wisconsin")
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To: cripplecreek

What’s Romney going to say?

“I like your idea, President Obama, especially as you borrowed it from my health care plan when I was Governor of Massachusetts; there’s just a few minor things I would tweak if I’m elected.”


70 posted on 09/09/2012 8:19:49 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: babygene
I don’t know... This is a problem area. As things go now, if your wife gets, say breast cancer at 35 and beats it, she is basically uninsureable for the rest of her life. That puts her in a real tough spot... Perhaps rules could be written that would keep people from gaming the system and still allow her to get insurance.

For instance, If she is insured at the time of her initial diagnosis and covered for the breast cancer, then the insurance industry can’t consider it a preexisting condition for future policies.

The best choice is to leave cases like this to charity. And in a free America, no one would fall through the cracks.

But there's a long way from here to there. In the interim, perhaps it would be possible to put the uninsurable into a pool for healthcare providers to bid on. This wouldn't be insurance. Simply bidding for care. The care would have to be tax-funded. Like Medicare.

In practice, Romneycare isn't working in MA. Rates are skyrocketing.

71 posted on 09/09/2012 8:19:54 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: babygene

EXACTLY!
Unless your loved one has been dropped by an insurance company, you have no idea what this kind of nightmare is like!


72 posted on 09/09/2012 8:20:57 AM PDT by kimchi lover ("I can see November from Wisconsin")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

-- James Madison, the father of the U.S. Constitution


73 posted on 09/09/2012 8:20:57 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: linn37
I also like the thought of government paying for my pre-existing home, current home, groceries, utilities, cable, Internet, cell phone, abortions, birth control, making my Doctors and Nurses work for minimum wage, taxing my neighbors to smithereens to pay for my needs, etc... I guess bankrupting a lot of insurance companies so that only big huge conglomerates who are immune to competitive pricing can drive up medical care even further, yee-haw!!!
74 posted on 09/09/2012 8:21:10 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Yes, but part of the reason that they are skyrocketing is because of health insurance. If everyone paid cash or could only afford by paying cash or layaway, the prices for medical treatment would fall overnight.


75 posted on 09/09/2012 8:23:37 AM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: usconservative
The Health Care insurer (Blue Cross/Shield of IL) is getting $9,600 PURE PROFIT for zero service

I'm making up for ten of you. We're out here.

76 posted on 09/09/2012 8:24:11 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: rollo tomasi

That’s a ridiculous argument.
If your child came down with a dread disease, and you had to depend on “charity”(as another poster suggested) because your insurance company dropped his coverage, your life would be a freaking NIGHTMARE!


77 posted on 09/09/2012 8:25:31 AM PDT by kimchi lover ("I can see November from Wisconsin")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

This is Romney’s “McCain” moment. When McCain suspended his campaign to support the bailout.


78 posted on 09/09/2012 8:27:07 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2012)
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To: kimchi lover

Well maybe if they used their noggin while they were younger on how government intrusion would drive up cost while insurance companies play their eventual part and VOTED TO PREVENT THAT, save money while health care was transformed from a service to a “right”, and at least appreciated the chance at quality care instead of the rationing that awaits next generations maybe the will feel sorry for the nightmare they created themselves. Voting has consequences and economics is the great equalizer when central planners play around with our resources.


79 posted on 09/09/2012 8:28:20 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
If we really believe there is no difference at all between them, then so be it. But if we think that a Romney presidency would be at least somewhat less destructive than four more years of Obama, then you've got to recognize that it will come down to turnout. These articles are meant to suppress turnout for Romney. They work.
80 posted on 09/09/2012 8:28:20 AM PDT by outofstyle (Down All the Days)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Romney wants to unload the mandate yet keep the preexisting condition coverage of Obamacare.I wonder who pays for requiring private insurers to keep the preexisting condition coverage.Healthy insureds will see astronomical premium increases to subsidize the requirement of coverage for the unhealthy at the same premium rates as the healthy. There are no free ponies. Repeal and starting over and not replacement is the only route


81 posted on 09/09/2012 8:29:10 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: outofstyle

Sorry it is Romney’s position, his tactics that are going to suppress turn-out. Not a stupid article.

Look at the track record.

They enter the convention fully unified and the establishment just couldn’t resist they make a power play and fracture the unified front.

Now Romney has the nomination locked more truth comes out.

First it was repeal Obamacare
Then it was replace and replacement Obamacare
Now it is replace with Romneycare.

Now we all know why SCOTUS did what it did. They met with the Romney camp and had to preserve the approach because it would have restored power back to the US Constitution and no progressive can allow that.

Get ready for Amnesty as well.


82 posted on 09/09/2012 8:31:49 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: kimchi lover

It’s the correct argument, health care is a service not a right. You may have a right at access but your neighbor should not be obligated to play your keeper and prop up your life by force.

Is this a limited government site, did I take a wrong turn and ended up at DU?


83 posted on 09/09/2012 8:33:30 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: chuckee
Dear chuckee,

“Romney wants to unload the mandate yet keep the preexisting condition coverage of Obamacare.”

There are other ways to cover folks with pre-existing conditions than mandating that all health insurance companies provide guaranteed issue.

I'd like to see President Romney's proposed replacement before I have a fit about it.


sitetest

84 posted on 09/09/2012 8:34:49 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I just watched the MTP interview. Romney is in favor of total repeal and replace. And he would include reforms like preexisting conditions. This is really a tempest in a tea pot.

The vast majority of the people like Obamacare's preexisting conditions and insuring children up to age 26 on their parents' policy provisions. Romney would be a fool to say that his replacement plan would not contain these elements.

85 posted on 09/09/2012 8:35:10 AM PDT by kabar
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

For the love of God...the BO campaign gets a few points bounce from the convention and Romney runs screaming right back to his MA leftist roots. This is the biggest hold-my-nose vote I think I will ever have cast in my life. If he keeps this crap up, my motivation to stand in line to vote will die a slow death.


87 posted on 09/09/2012 8:40:13 AM PDT by jackmercer
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I just heard from Mitt again, asking for support. I went to his site and where it asked if I was having trouble sending a donation I inserted the following:
Romney Says He Likes Parts of ‘Obamacare’

What part of get the Government out of my healthcare don’t you understand? Limited Government operating in the Black! Clean House, close the bloated Departments and give power back to the states and to the people.

I doubt it will get to the ears of anyone that matters but maybe someone here has a better idea how to make Mitt feel the heat.
As Mitt exposes his belief that the Government is “Nanny who knows better and must protect us” there needs to be a way to make him know there is a cost to that posture. If we stay silent we deserve what we get. How many times has BO walked back his stance hours after getting heat in the blogosphere. I think we need to educate Mitt about the voice of the people. He needs to be Freeped!


88 posted on 09/09/2012 8:40:33 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: KC_Lion
Accept no substitutes. Always look for the BOHICA red RINO seal of approval.

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89 posted on 09/09/2012 8:40:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Pre-existing coverage, is covered.

Cool.

That is one thing about healthcare which basically sucks.

Bring it. I’m all for this part.


90 posted on 09/09/2012 8:42:36 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: snarkytart

Vote Johnson of Goode then. Don’t leave that box unchecked.

We were warne d. We didn’t head that warning like so many times before... Now we have to deal with it once again.


91 posted on 09/09/2012 8:44:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: rollo tomasi

I don’t consider them to be the same. You agree to things like mortgages and cars. Diabetes, cancer ,those things you don’t. I don’t feel bad for insurance company’s when they pay out. They have that risk factored in .


92 posted on 09/09/2012 8:47:09 AM PDT by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: MRadtke

The Federal govt has ZERO legit authority to be mucking about with health care in any form. Period.

I don’t give a f*ck who “liked” parts of it. They are wrong.


93 posted on 09/09/2012 8:48:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Did anyone happen to notice that this article is from the AUSTIN STATESMAN that is very democrat and left leaning? Or that they have editorials salivating and slobbering at the thought of a ‘democrat Texas’? That they joyously wept over the dem convention featuring the castro brothers while dissing Ted Cruz at the republican convention?
There are plenty of things I don’t like about Romney, but let’s have some truth in packaging here. They friggin’ cherry picked quotes without giving ANY context. You will forgive ne for being just a tad skeptical.


94 posted on 09/09/2012 8:54:52 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Well we are also going to vote for Mitt as is everyone in our family and all of our friends. But we are not living in a dreamworld where Mitt and Paul Ryan prevent the total economic collapse that is coming. Nor will they roll back the police state that has been installed in this county that will eventually ignite a civil war.

No we are voting for Romney/Ryan to get rid of the worst hoax ever perpetrated on the American public. The host is just ridding itself of the parasite.

Keep buying beans and bullets because you will still need them at some point.


95 posted on 09/09/2012 8:56:15 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: linn37

Yes but you need food, shelter, clothing and family planning. Plus for psychological purposes you need “entertainment”; once you rationalize one subsidy you pave the way for other “requirements”.

You want government to force insurance companies to cover everything by force? What will that eventually do? Not too hard to think about the ramifications of future obligations, care, and cost. Have fun creating your Brave New World because the ending and “requirements” will be something else.

I guess Medicare/Medicaid are failures, time to rearrange the deck because people have chosen security over liberty and economic independence.


96 posted on 09/09/2012 8:56:15 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: svcw
I hate to break this to all of you, but the Republican Party was fully on-board with most ObamaCare provisions despite their political posturing at the time.

The whole purpose of ObamaCare is to serve as the first step in separating medical insurance from employment ... thereby removing one of the largest cost items from the accounting ledger of every major U.S. corporation. The GOP is 100% behind this, but was perfectly content to let this jug-eared dupe in the White House and that hag Speaker of the House stand up and put the whole thing together.

97 posted on 09/09/2012 9:03:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The ABO crowd now owns him. Let them stew in this unsurprising turn of events.


98 posted on 09/09/2012 9:04:27 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: rollo tomasi
“Is this a limited government site, did I take a wrong turn and ended up at DU?”

It's a limited government site, except when it isn't - that would be liberal Romney is a lesser evil than Hussein. Think good things about Romney so he is elected, then you can reverse your thinking to see him as he really is, then yell about it and that will be okay then.

99 posted on 09/09/2012 9:06:39 AM PDT by Marcella (Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: usconservative

Great post and you are right. I would also like to add that insurance companies love Obamacare. Sure they will have to pony up for people with pre-existing conditions, but they are getting a huge new pool of healthy customers to offset that cost who won’t cost them anything. And they knew the system was unsustainable in the long run so this was far better than a single payer system for them. Frankly, if you aren’t invested in that industry yet, now is the time to get in on it.


100 posted on 09/09/2012 9:06:55 AM PDT by rudabaga
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