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Pentagon Denies Reports of No Live Ammo for Marines
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | September 13, 2012 4:40 pm | Adam Kredo

Posted on 09/13/2012 4:15:06 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

A Marine spokesperson at the Pentagon denied reports that U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition in a statement to Fox News Thursday.

Pentagon Lt. Col. Chris Hughes told the outlet: “The ambassador and RSO (Regional Security Officer) have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB (American Embassy) Cairo.”

The statement came in response to open-source reporting that U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition.

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Marines deny, state department silent did they or did they not deny Marines live ammo?

After reading the article, my nose tells me that someone is not telling the whole truth. Playing legal weasel words.

1 posted on 09/13/2012 4:15:11 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Of course there was ammo there. It was locked up for security reasons.


2 posted on 09/13/2012 4:17:43 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: Texas Fossil

The DOD under this admin is not to be trusted by any liberty loving american...


3 posted on 09/13/2012 4:18:46 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: Texas Fossil

If the standard policy is “No ammo” then it is accurate to say that no restrictions were placed on that policy.

This is doublespeak until someone in authority says “They had ammo and were fully armed with guns, ammo and the authority to use them”.


4 posted on 09/13/2012 4:19:57 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Texas Fossil

This is what I want to hear:

“Make NO MISTAKE! Every American Embassy world wide is well protected and our security forces are ARMED TO THE TEETH, and willing to use ANY FORCE NECESSARY TO PROTECT AMERICAN CITIZENS from ANY HARM! Go Ahead- Make our Day!”


5 posted on 09/13/2012 4:22:15 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Breto
The DOD under this admin is not to be trusted by any liberty loving american...

You took the words right out of my mouth.

6 posted on 09/13/2012 4:23:21 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Texas Fossil

"Our glorious Commander in Chief gives his Marines everything they need! I triple guarantee it!"


7 posted on 09/13/2012 4:23:41 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm not voting for Obama, so therefore I must be helping Romney!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Yep, the verb tenses are definitely off. No restrictions have been imposed now—but had they been imposed at the time of the attack?


8 posted on 09/13/2012 4:23:53 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Texas Fossil

Ammo or not, two Marines isn’t much of any army against RPG’s and others with AK-47’s.


9 posted on 09/13/2012 4:24:50 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Texas Fossil

sounds like Clintonese speak!


10 posted on 09/13/2012 4:26:37 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

DoD, CIA, State Department, Pentagon, ATF, FBI, IRS.. Nothing but Progressive Socialists with guns.


11 posted on 09/13/2012 4:28:21 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: 9YearLurker
Yup...used "have been" instead of "were".

The lawyers are now advising.

12 posted on 09/13/2012 4:28:25 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Texas Fossil

First they came for the ammo of our Border Patrol....


13 posted on 09/13/2012 4:28:43 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Texas Fossil

If the Marines were locked, loaded and authorized to fire, where are the dead Libyans? ‘Cause Marines sure don’t go down without a fight. Could it be our State Department prefers four dead Americans to any dead or wounded Libyans?


14 posted on 09/13/2012 4:30:03 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: 9YearLurker

I agree. The verb tenses are off and the statement sounds weasel worded to me.

Of course, it could be that either the reporter or the government spokesman doesn’t know how to speak English. That would be par for the course, too.


15 posted on 09/13/2012 4:30:03 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Texas Fossil
What does the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin E. Dempsey, say? Were Marines denied ammunition for their weapons by the DoS or not?

So what if the Cairo Embassy had ammunition under lock and key? Yes, it was secured. No, Marines could not defend the Embassy without ammunition in their weapons, unless you want them to use the weapons as inefficient clubs.

16 posted on 09/13/2012 4:30:15 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Norm Lenhart
If the standard policy is “No ammo” then it is accurate to say that no restrictions were placed on that policy. This is doublespeak until someone in authority says “They had ammo and were fully armed with guns, ammo and the authority to use them”.

Yes, the response had a certain PRECISE, Clintonesque flavor to it.

17 posted on 09/13/2012 4:34:57 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Texas Fossil
"No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed."

restrictions = applies to weapons, not ammo

weapons = does not include ammo

weapons status = meaning "ability to operate properly," not "loaded"

have = not "were"

18 posted on 09/13/2012 4:36:23 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Texas Fossil
See? Live ammo!
19 posted on 09/13/2012 4:38:13 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Texas Fossil

They have ammo. Under lock and key perhaps. Maybe they get beanbags like the US Border Patrol.


20 posted on 09/13/2012 4:40:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Talisker

Good job on parsing the Obama/Panetta weasel words.


21 posted on 09/13/2012 4:40:42 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: PapaBear3625

Just as a side note...

Conservatives and most of the public have always had a trust of the military. I find it odd that we now see this BS and OBAMA’S generals out there doing everything to undermine that trust.

Gee...I wonder why.


22 posted on 09/13/2012 4:46:14 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Texas Fossil

This has been a (treasonous) top down policy for some time. That the ambassador made a unilateral decision on this is pure crapolla.

Our personnel in Bosnia were not allowed to carry loaded guns. They were told they could load their guns *after* they were fired upon. Fact. I got this from an Air Force non com who served 2 tours there.

It is sickening in how many places around the world the military is not allowed to be armed.

And for the record, the ROE haven’t been much better under Republican presidents for decades. The Dems just carry it to even more disgusting extremes.


23 posted on 09/13/2012 4:47:33 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Texas Fossil

My thought exactly. Here are the weasel words: “....not permitted by the State Department....”

The Marine blogs that broke this story DID NOT say that the STATE DEPARTMENT did not allow live ammo. They said that the bee-itch in charge of the embassy forbade it.

For all we know, Washington, DC knew nothing about the rules that were in effect over there on station......although it is no stretch whatever for me to believe that Shrillery would have denied the Marines live ammo, too.


24 posted on 09/13/2012 5:04:00 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: eeevil conservative

Maybe so, but after they say that, I have a question:

“Then why aren’t there stacks of dead ragheads heaped up around those embassys and consulates?!”


25 posted on 09/13/2012 5:07:37 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Texas Fossil
sadly, our military brass and their defense dept cohorts are not believable....they go along to get along, and then they get their big fat pensions.....

another reason the pension system needs to be changed...too much of an excuse to be a good little dobbie and not rock the boat...

26 posted on 09/13/2012 5:10:06 PM PDT by cherry
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

How many ragheads can 2 Marines waste before they run out of ammo? And where are the stacks of dead ragheads that MUST be the result, IF the Marines were armed and authorized to fire at will?!

The either wer NOT ARMED, or they were FORBIDDEN to actually FIRE their weapons. Any other version is a lie!


27 posted on 09/13/2012 5:14:01 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Hold on there, cowboy, if my Marines get their regular choices of weapons two is enough to stand off a whole passel of butt draggers. If I have a MK-19 for instance and my buddy has a SAW we OWN the neighborhood in question. It would be a nice touch if we could have an ammo humper but we’ll go with what’s available assuming we had the slightest warning.-————————Semper Fi


28 posted on 09/13/2012 5:14:07 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Texas Fossil

When this administration, the SOS and the POTUS tells one lie, we can’t believe anything any of them say.


29 posted on 09/13/2012 5:17:15 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Texas Fossil

When they cut the $800B from the Pentagon, I sure hope they cut the salaries of the left wing weenies who work there.


30 posted on 09/13/2012 5:20:45 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Tucker39
The Marine blogs that broke this story DID NOT say that the STATE DEPARTMENT did not allow live ammo. They said that the bee-itch in charge of the embassy forbade it.

That is similar to what I have read in other related threads. It was the female ambassador who disallowed the Marine guards to carry loaded weapons.
31 posted on 09/13/2012 5:20:50 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Texas Fossil; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK

Taking ammo away from our military and embassy guards has been SOP’s under LBJ, Carter, Clintoon and now Obozo.

These left wing rectums have never cared about our military, our military men and women on the point, are put in danger everyday with left wing bs.

The left wing ROE’s have killed our men and women in Iraq and other hell holes since Obozo became our president.


32 posted on 09/13/2012 5:24:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: TomGuy
It was the female ambassador who disallowed the Marine guards to carry loaded weapons.

Of course, those big ol' guns might so off and hurt someone.

33 posted on 09/13/2012 5:26:19 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Talisker
restrictions = applies to weapons, not ammo weapons = does not include ammo

Exactly! The weapon is pretty useless if the only rounds available are of the beanbag variety.

34 posted on 09/13/2012 5:28:25 PM PDT by lovesdogs (Nevermind what I post...I have clothespins handy and will vote for Mitt.)
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To: Tucker39

Bump


35 posted on 09/13/2012 5:29:09 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Grampa Dave
Taking ammo away from our military and embassy guards has been SOP’s under LBJ, Carter, Clintoon and now Obozo.

US Military guarding at Abu Graib were issued rubber bullets. That was under Bush2. That is the same Bush 2 who had National Guards on the Border disarmed and Border Patrol issued rubber bullets.

If Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano says for Border Guards to run and hide if attacked, why would it be a surprise to find out similar orders be giving to overseas State Department personnel, as well?
36 posted on 09/13/2012 5:30:07 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Locomotive Breath
where are the dead Libyans?

No reported dead Libyans. So that is all the proof I need. As far as I have read they have not identified the other 2 dead Americans. If they are Marines, the Obozo's POLs will have some explaining to do.

37 posted on 09/13/2012 5:37:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Yup, the old semantics trick.


38 posted on 09/13/2012 5:55:11 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Maybe they saw “Rules of Engagement”. I’m a monkey’s uncle if dear leader isn’t the real-life Bill Sokal.


39 posted on 09/13/2012 6:08:49 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Texas Fossil

You cannot believe anything that comes out of the federal government.
It is always nothing but self serving lies, half truths or Bill Clinton style parsing.


40 posted on 09/13/2012 6:30:54 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Tucker39
The Marine blogs that broke this story DID NOT say that the STATE DEPARTMENT did not allow live ammo. They said that the bee-itch in charge of the embassy forbade it.

The Obama administration will spend more time and energy finding and punishing the Marine or other insider who let the cat out of the bag than they will tracking down and punishing the enemies behind this atrocity.


41 posted on 09/13/2012 6:48:16 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Ammo or not, two Marines isn’t much of any army against RPG’s and others with AK-47’s.


Perhaps they may have had a fighting chance if they had been actually f’n armed!


42 posted on 09/13/2012 6:51:49 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Texas Fossil
A Marine spokesperson at the Pentagon....

It's truly terrible to believe our military, and especially or Marines have bee compromised. But I no longer believe anything this obamized government tells us. Especially with that idiot Dempsey as CJC.

43 posted on 09/13/2012 7:05:42 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Texas Fossil

I do not believe them... I have no reason to.

LLS


44 posted on 09/13/2012 7:09:33 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: eeevil conservative
If you heard it from obama then it would be a lie because we are not protected well. It was Yemeni forces that saved our embassy. There were no Americans present and no Marines. obamao ordered them to retreat.

LLS

45 posted on 09/13/2012 7:11:34 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Two well armed US marines can do one hell of a lot of damage.

LLS

46 posted on 09/13/2012 7:13:13 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: MasterGunner01
He doesn't have time for that... he is too busy calling civilian preachers and film makers and threatening them.

LLS

47 posted on 09/13/2012 7:14:37 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Locomotive Breath
If the Marines were locked, loaded and authorized to fire, where are the dead Libyans? ‘Cause Marines sure don’t go down without a fight. Could it be our State Department prefers four dead Americans to any dead or wounded Libyans?

Why would there be dead Libyans in Egypt?

You need to read more carefully and post less.

48 posted on 09/13/2012 7:20:08 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: LibLieSlayer

I completely agree.

We have every reason not to believe them.


49 posted on 09/13/2012 7:54:53 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Dempsey is a political general and should be sacked — but he's Obama’s fair haired boy. He's a disgrace to the uniform.
50 posted on 09/13/2012 8:33:24 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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