Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Manhattan man to challenge Obama's appearance on the November ballot (Kansas)
The Mercury ^ | 9/13/12

Posted on 09/13/2012 4:19:57 PM PDT by Libloather

Manhattan man to challenge Obama's appearance on the November ballot
Staff reports
September 13, 2012 12:00 AM

A Manhattan man was scheduled to argue before state officials Thursday afternoon that President Obama's name should not be allowed on the November general election ballot.

The appeal by Joe Montgomery was to be heard by The Kansas Board of Objections, a three-person body that resolves ballot-eligibility issues. The board is comprised of Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, Secretary of State Kris Kobach and Atty. Gen. Derek Schmidt. All three are Republicans.

In material filed with the Secretary of State's office, Montgomery argues that Obama's name should be stricken from the ballot because he does not meet the constitutional requirement that candidates have been "born in this country to parents who are both U.S. citizens, primarily to a U.S. citizen father."

(Excerpt) Read more at themercury.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: ballot; elections; kansas; manhattan; naturalborncitizen
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-102 next last
Obama Birther Challenge Subject Of Kansas Objections Board Hearing
1 posted on 09/13/2012 4:20:05 PM PDT by Libloather
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Libloather
His will be done.

Pray America!

2 posted on 09/13/2012 4:25:25 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather
Wainscott specifically rejects Montgomery's assertion that Obama's qualification is undermined by his father's non-citizen status. "For over a hundred years the Supreme Court has held otherwise, he argues.

Where, when?

3 posted on 09/13/2012 4:29:46 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

Hope all his taxes are correct and up-to-date ... he is about to be audited.


4 posted on 09/13/2012 4:39:17 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

“born in this country to parents who are both U.S. citizens, primarily to a U.S. citizen father.”
________________________________________

If this is designed to help Willard it wont...

Willard doesnt want birthers challenging Obamas fathe’s status...

Willard also had a father who was born elsewhere, Mexico, and who may not have been an American citixen when Willard was born...

Willard’s own father was challenged on his status when he ran for POTUS in 1964, 1968...

Willard does not want that all dragged up again...


5 posted on 09/13/2012 4:44:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tennessee Nana

O.K. Now I get it. Compliance with the law should only be demanded if it benefits one of the candidates? Sounds like something Juan Williams would cobble together...WADR.


6 posted on 09/13/2012 4:52:55 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Libloather; Absolutely Nobama; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Aurorales; autumnraine; azishot; ...
Constitutional Eligibility

7 posted on 09/13/2012 5:00:36 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1333 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Libloather; Hotlanta Mike; TheCipher; little jeremiah; bitt; STARWISE; onyx; edge919; ...

Can somebody ping the Kansas list? We need people to contact this panel and urge them to do what is right.

I’m having troubles finding the return receipts for Kansas for some reason, but I remember seeing them come in because the states closest to Nebraska came in first. I’ll have the post office confirm with the tracking number tomorrow, but I am sure that two of the guys on that 3-person panel - the SOS and the AG - have received letters from Larry Klayman explaining that they themselves would have to commit election fraud to allow Obama on the ballot, since HI state registrar has legally confirmed that Obama has no legally-valid birth certificate in Hawaii; any Certification of Nomination they receive is thus immediately recognized as perjurious, and anyone who knows it is perjurious and still allows Obama on the ballot is him/herself complicit in election fraud.

With this challenge right there, they are placed in a LEGAL setting where they are held to account for what they know. We need Kansans to step up and tell these guys that we know they have been informed of this, and this cup will NOT pass from them. They are on the spot; will THEY commit election fraud for Obama?

The way that America goes down is if EVERY SOS and EVERY AG in the country is willing to commit election fraud for Obama. There is no way for these people to punt; they’ve been informed. Now what will they do?

We have to tell them we know and that we are watching to see what the rule of law means to them. And we will not forget what their answer is.


8 posted on 09/13/2012 5:01:03 PM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tucker39

Eh ???

Do you really think afdter what McCain had to go through that Obama will give Willard a pass ???

McCain should never have had to haqe the Senate vote on whether he was eligible...

That was disgraceful...

Dont think Obama wont use Willard;s father against him if someone manages to be listened to about Obama Sr...

Meanwhile if Obama does have to step down Hillary has shot herself in the head and wont be able to take his place...

Her treasonous behavior this week will go bad with her...


9 posted on 09/13/2012 5:01:15 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Libloather
This story also got a bit of coverage from the KU campus newspaper.
10 posted on 09/13/2012 5:10:58 PM PDT by ecinkc (ugh)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion; null and void
"There is no way for these people to punt; they’ve been informed. Now what will they do?

They will commit election fraud for "Obama." Every. Last. One.

The rule of law is dead. Long live the Rule of Law.

11 posted on 09/13/2012 5:10:58 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Flotsam_Jetsome; Hotlanta Mike; TheCipher; little jeremiah; bitt; STARWISE; onyx; edge919; ...

The Board said they need more information before deciding if he is eligible to be on the ballot; they will meet again on Monday. Let’s make sure they get plenty more information before Monday!!

That’s one business day. We’ve got one business day to get them the information before they meet again.


12 posted on 09/13/2012 5:28:35 PM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion; advertising guy

Did you contact AG? Zullo should make an appearance with his presentation.


13 posted on 09/13/2012 5:36:37 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: null and void

R u sure this is allowed?


14 posted on 09/13/2012 5:49:11 PM PDT by tutstar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: hoosiermama

Both the AG and SOS have received a letter via certified mail from Larry Klayman, a follow-up letter signed by Tom Ballantyne, Terry Lakin, Charles Kerchner, Lawrence Sellen, and Gary Wilmott, and a personal letter from me giving a summary of the legal evidence we currently have.

One of the things I mentioned in my letter to the SOS’s is that Mike Zullo had contacted some SOS’s who had said they would not accept Onaka’s verification as proof of Obama’s eligibility. I said that Onaka’s verification actually goes much farther than that. It’s not just that Onaka didn’t verify Obama’s birth facts - it’s that Onaka confirmed that he CAN’T verify Obama’s birth facts because there is no legally-valid record. That means there’s not just an absence of proof that Obama is eligible, but actual proof that he’s NOT. There is nobody in this country who can LAWFULLY swear that Obama is eligible.

That puts this on a whole different level. The SOS’s don’t have to take extraordinary measures in order to know Obama is non-eligible. They have only to obey the law. And at this point for them to allow Obama on the ballot, given the presumption of regularity that applies to Onaka’s verification, would be an act of election fraud on their part.


15 posted on 09/13/2012 7:03:57 PM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: American Constitutionalist

PING!


16 posted on 09/13/2012 7:07:32 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: null and void

Thanks for the ping!


17 posted on 09/13/2012 7:09:17 PM PDT by thecodont
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion
Has Larry Klayman been in contact of any of the attorney generals or SoS ?

If by registered mail the recipient has to sign it, the postal service has to return a signed receipt ? correct ?
This can't be because they refused to sign those letters ?
18 posted on 09/13/2012 7:20:46 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: American Constitutionalist

Beyond the letters, I don’t know. But he is aware of the situation in Kansas and I’m hoping he will make additional contact.

I wish there was a way to convey to these guys that just as the whole country sat on pins and needles to see if Scott Walker would stand for us all, the whole country needs some solid, secure, salt-of-the-earth Midwesterners to do what the good, clean air and small-town existence has taught us to do: tell the truth and live honestly. It’s a courageous act when nobody around will do it, but Scott Walker was able to stand up to the unions and was rewarded for it, and Kansas can stand up to Bob Bauer.


19 posted on 09/13/2012 7:26:14 PM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion
I hear ya Butter, but we must keep praying.

Just remember what I told you a few years ago about you from the book of Isaiah ....

Also ?

Man ohh man,,, lol .. you should go take a look at some of those comments in the comment section of the KU campus news.


20 posted on 09/13/2012 7:35:55 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: KansasGirl; All

PING! # 8, 12, 15, 19.


21 posted on 09/13/2012 7:39:25 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion
What is Kansas going to do? Those Hawaiian OBots are not going to give a true and correct certified copy of Obama's records with all his late, altered, non-hospital, or BS hospital birth amendments. On the pure natural born citizenship issue, we know Obama is not, and I doubt the Kansas board has the spine to keep Obama off the ballot for inheriting a Kenyan citizenship at birth from his foreign citizen father.

It would be wonderful surprise if they did keep Obama off the presidential ballot as Hawaii or Obama is not going to send them the amended information BS birth certificate. Lets hope they got the balls.

Both the AG and SOS have received a letter via certified mail from Larry Klayman, a follow-up letter signed by Tom Ballantyne, Terry Lakin, Charles Kerchner, Lawrence Sellen, and Gary Wilmott, and a personal letter from me giving a summary of the legal evidence we currently have.

Good to see the big players are on it.

22 posted on 09/13/2012 7:48:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

Is it possible that Kansas, the birthplace of the grandparents, would dare bar the prodigal grandson from their ballot?


23 posted on 09/13/2012 8:09:18 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: American Constitutionalist

I tried setting up an account so I could comment there but it wouldn’t recognize the password I gave it. So I had them send me a different password; it won’t recognize that either.

If somebody can get on there and comment, it would be good to tell those folks they might want to hold their tongues until they’ve read what the members of that panel have been sent by Larry Klayman. And then give the link to the complete letter, which is at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf


24 posted on 09/13/2012 8:18:36 PM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion; KansasGirl; All

We have to tell them we know and that we are watching to see what the rule of law means to them. And we will not forget what their answer is.

We have to tell them we know and that we are watching to see what the rule of law means to them. And we will not forget what their answer is.

We have to tell them we know and that we are watching to see what the rule of law means to them. And we will not forget what their answer is.

______

BTTT!


25 posted on 09/13/2012 8:37:24 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Hotlanta Mike

Anything is possible. The OBots may have finally met the guys who have the balls to do what’s right.


26 posted on 09/13/2012 9:15:28 PM PDT by Red Steel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion

Is there anyway to send a letter to the board members by email?


27 posted on 09/13/2012 9:16:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: All

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/13/state-objections-board-says-it-needs-more-informat/

State Objections Board says it needs more information to determine if Obama is eligible to be on Kansas ballot

By Scott Rothschild

September 13, 2012

Topeka — The State Objections Board — made up of Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Secretary of State Kris Kobach, all Republicans — has decided it will need an additional meeting to determine if President Barack Obama is eligible to run for president in Kansas.

On Thursday, the board considered a ballot challenge to Obama’s eligibility from Joe Montgomery of Manhattan, who claims the president is not a U.S. citizen because Obama’s father wasn’t. Montgomery has also challenged Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii.

The Objections Board said it needed more information before deciding the matter. The board will meet again Monday.


28 posted on 09/13/2012 9:41:27 PM PDT by Elderberry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

The kicker of it is that HRS 338-17.7 allows a new BC to be created if “law enforcement” (Eric Holder) says it is necessary for his safety. Now we know why there was the sudden big push to paint “birthers” as violent extremists - right when Abercrombie was realizing (and saying to his friend, Mike Evans) that there was no legally-valid BC for Obama but just something “actually written down, in the archives...” - and right before Neal Palafox was forced to resign as HDOH diretor and replaced by Fuddy who immediately said they would never allow anybody to see original BC’s or copies of original BC’s (and all of a sudden, once they didn’t have to worry about the originals ever being seen, we started seeing anomalous BC#’s on computerized COLB’s as well - for Stig Waidelich and Virginia Sunahara, and a badly-done forged BC# for Johanna Ah Nee)...

As of late January 2011 when Abercrombie spoke to Mike Evans, there was not a BC for Obama. Now Onaka has verified that the BC# on their file for Obama is the number on the WH BC - which could not have been on that document in 1961. So sometime between late January and April of 2011 the HDOH gave Obama a different BC# than what he was originally given. The legally-allowable reason to do that is if law enforcement has said it is necessary for “safety” - and in that case the fake BC that is created for “safety’s sake” will say whatever law enforcement (Eric Holder) says it needs to say.

So the HDOH has a fake document for Obama, for them to give to Obama so he can stay safe in hiding with a fake identity. The HDOH created that fake document for Obama; they had access to all those other BC’s to get the bits and pieces that they C&P’ed together, just like Eric Holder told them to do. But it doesn’t replace the real record in their files. When Onaka was asked to verify the real facts he couldn’t do it, because the HDOH still has to acknowledge the real BC, and the real BC isn’t legally valid either.

I’ve got a new post up on my blog, showing how the 4 anomalous BC#’s fit together. That’s at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/the-hdoh-has-juggled-bcs-for-at-least-4-1961-bcs/ . If Verna Lee told us the way they really numbered those BC’s in 1961 then Obama was almost certainly given Stig Waidelich’s BC#, Stig Waidelich was given the BC# for either Ray Piiohla Jr or Keith Min Thayoshi (if Thayoshi died as an infant), who was then given Virginia Sunahara’s BC#. Sunahara was given the real BC# for Johanna Ah Nee, and Ah Nee was given the BC# for an infant born in outlying Oahu in mid-July and died shortly thereafter.

So anyway, coming back to what Kansas is going to do. Hopefully they are going to request ALL the BC’s the HDOH has for Barack Hussein Obama II and not be satisfied until they are either shown both records or are allowed to audit the microfilms and computer transaction logs. Actually, hopefully both.

But you’re right; it would definitely take some stones. I’m praying for those guys’ stones.


29 posted on 09/13/2012 9:45:51 PM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion

If the board needs more info I suggest they review a late development out of England where a voice-photo recording of Obama with Michelle gives Obama saying he was glad to be back in his homeland. The board can properly ask that Obama respond to this and any previous charges of ineligibility. I would hope the complainant in Kansas gets Orly Taitz and others to bring their info to the hearing. Sometime, somewhere there is going to be a floodgate of publicity opened that even Obama and all his enablers cannot dam up.


30 posted on 09/13/2012 9:54:45 PM PDT by noinfringers2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

Contact info:

KANSAS (R) (CEO)
Hon. Kris Kobach
Secretary of State –E
Memorial Hall – 1st Fl.
120 SW 10th Avenue
Topeka, KS 66612
(785) 296-4575
Fax (785) 368-8033
sos@sos.ks.gov

Attorney General Derek Schmidt
120 S.W. 10th Ave, 2nd Floor
Topeka, KS 66612-1597
(785) 296-2215
1-888-428-8436
Fax: (785) 296-6296
Web form: http://ag.ks.gov/contact-us/email-us

Lt Gov Jeff Colyer, MD
785-296-2213
Lt.Governor@ks.gov


31 posted on 09/13/2012 10:10:59 PM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion

“I’ve got a new post up on my blog, showing how the 4 anomalous BC#’s fit together.”

In your post you say the Stig was born at 4:47 p.m. but when his BC was shown on CNN it listed 8:49 p.m.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/26/cnn-birther-investigation-no-doubt-president-obama-was-born-in-hawaii/

At the 3:10 mark.

Also I’m confused by the tables you use. Table 2-1 shows total births occurring in Hawaii as 17578. The table you use are based on residence not place of occurrence.

Table 2-2 is births by month by place of occurrence.

Residence is determined by the county of residence of the mother. But not all Hawaii residents had their babies in the county of their residence or even in Hawaii. Table 2-1 shows that for births that occurred in Hawaii, 70 were for non-resident (intracounty and interstate) and that 58 women with Hawaii residence gave birth outside of Hawaii. So the math looks like this:

Hawaii resident births = 17,508
Intracounty births = 50
Interstate births = 20
Total births in Hawaii = 17578

To get the total number of births to residents of Hawaii, take the number of births to non-Hawaii residents (20) and subtract that from the total (17578-20=17558) and add the total number of births to residents of Hawaii that occurred in other states (17558+58=17616).

In numbering the BCs, do they start each year at 1 and number them sequentially? If so the first child born in 1961 would have the number 151 61 00001 and the last child would be 151 61 17578.

If that is the case than the first child born in August would be 151 61 09943 (adding up the monthly totals January thru July) and the last child in August would be 151 61 11402.

Does that seem right to you?


32 posted on 09/14/2012 1:10:22 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Libloather

The Kansas Objections Board wanted to deny this challenge, but couldn’t find a legal reason to do so. They suggested that the objection was reading “too much” into Minor v. Happersett which they were told makes a clear material distinction between natural-born citizen and 14th amendment citizenship by birth. The objector pointed out that Obama’s cousnel cited only one Supreme Court case, Wong Kim Ark, but that their citation only applied to 14th amendment citizenship and the term “citizen of the United States,” not Article II eligibility. He also pointed out that Obama’s counsel ignored that the same decision said the 14th amendment does not say who shall be natural-born citizens, but that it cites Minor for the definition of all children born to parents who were its citizens.

The SOS is hinting still that he wants to sweep this under the rug and that he would use a nonlegally supported definition of NBC to do so. It’s very important to try to hold these people accountable and insist that they follow Supreme Court precedent, especially when Luria v. United States in 1913 points to Minor and not Wong Kim Ark to specifically define presidential eligibility.


33 posted on 09/14/2012 2:12:49 AM PDT by edge919
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion

Don’t get your hopes up, they will fold up like a cheap suit.


34 posted on 09/14/2012 4:47:55 AM PDT by Venturer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: 4Zoltan

I have no way of knowing if they started with #1, which is why I calculated a starting point for August based on the Nordyke BC#’s. 10,539.

9943 for a starting point is 596 off from that. That’s 27 August days’ worth of Honolulu births.


35 posted on 09/14/2012 6:06:10 AM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: 4Zoltan

I can’t see that because if I put on my computer the Flash plug-in that’s required my computer freezes up constantly.

I’ve enlarged and looked every which way at the image at http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/img_0035-small.jpg and that first digit looks like a 4 no matter what I do.

Maybe the group here can look at it and give me a consensus as to whether I’m seeing it right, but it looks to me like there is a leg sticking out at the bottom.


36 posted on 09/14/2012 6:35:31 AM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: edge919

I would bet that these KS Republicans will indeed yield to Obama, but Obama is not contesting KS, is he? Wonder what ol’ Alf Landon would say about this? Wasn’t he their “straight talker”?


37 posted on 09/14/2012 7:06:13 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Who among us has not erred? Akin's the One!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Venturer

Studies have been done where animals try to go out a door but the door is blocked. Eventually they won’t try going out the door even if it is left wide open. They figure there’s no use even trying.

That’s why our enemies do psy-ops on us; that’s what demoralization is. That’s how the obfuscation, sandbagging, gaslighting, lies all over the place.... all works. It doesn’t change the truth; it only makes us accept the “truth” that there’s nothing we can do about it.

Maybe these guys will fold. Maybe they will all fold. If they do, then we really and truly have no more rule of law in this country, and when that happens all bets are off. We’ve got nothing more left to lose, and that’s when things get downright dangerous. These critters need to understand that. If they abandon the rule of law, they’re asking for what America will inevitably get.

My philosophy is that they will make their choices, but I’ll do everything in my power to make them think very seriously about it first.

I’ll be sandbagged in that effort. Right on schedule, my computer’s anti-virus program is being turned off by somebody remotely. That’s usually a prelude to some kind of attack so I have to make sure all my files are safe and stored in a different location. It’s becoming a standard routine that happens every time I post something damaging on my blog or here. It’s predictable; it doesn’t work to demoralize me. Doesn’t even really slow me down any more, not like it used to.

I’d laugh my silly fanny off if the jerks who are doing it were prosecuted for attacking a public library computer system. lol. What can I say? When you decide to be lawless jerks the truth eventually comes around and bites you in the butt. Of course they’re going to try to cover their butts. Again - it’s predictable. Just like a dog and pony show. I wonder if they realize they’re the lab hamster being observed...


38 posted on 09/14/2012 7:11:23 AM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion
So the HDOH has a fake document for Obama, for them to give to Obama so he can stay safe in hiding with a fake identity. The HDOH created that fake document for Obama; they had access to all those other BC’s to get the bits and pieces that they C&P’ed together, just like Eric Holder told them to do. But it doesn’t replace the real record in their files.

Except for the part about "Just like Eric Holder told them to do", isn't that what I have been saying all along? :)

39 posted on 09/14/2012 8:15:56 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Venturer
Don’t get your hopes up, they will fold up like a cheap suit.

This is exactly what I think. There is simply too much social pressure for people to "comply" with the common misunderstanding of "natural born citizen." It requires a serious backbone to stand up in the face of massive numbers of people who think otherwise.

40 posted on 09/14/2012 8:23:43 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Theodore R.
I would bet that these KS Republicans will indeed yield to Obama, but Obama is not contesting KS, is he? Wonder what ol’ Alf Landon would say about this? Wasn’t he their “straight talker”?

It doesn't matter if he is set to win or lose a state. What matters is that a State has excluded him from the ballot for failing to establish that he is qualified. The news might ripple through the political arena like lightning.

No one will be able to understand why a man would fail to contest a state because he refuses to produce an inexpensive document.

41 posted on 09/14/2012 8:28:47 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: DiogenesLamp

Yes. I was actually thinking to ping you about this, because I was very skeptical of what you were saying but it makes sense now.


42 posted on 09/14/2012 9:11:33 AM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: DiogenesLamp

“What matters is that a State has excluded him from the ballot for failing to establish that he is qualified.”

That doesn’t look like it is going to happen. The pressure is building.

“Conservative Kansas Congressman: Obama ‘Will Be On The Ballot’”

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/kansas_rep_obama_will_be_on_the_ballot.php?ref=fpnewsfeed


43 posted on 09/14/2012 9:47:29 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion; 4Zoltan

I’m pretty sure these are numbers from pg 47 of the CDC report:

Jan:  1490 (start: #151 61 00001)
Feb:  1254 (start: #151 61 01491)
Mar:  1510 (start: #151 61 02745)
Apr:  1388 (start: #151 61 04255)
May:  1400 (start: #151 61 05643)
Jun:  1374 (start: #151 61 07043)
Jul:  1532 (start: #151 61 08417)
Aug:  1472 (start: #151 61 09949)
Sep:  1594 (start: #151 61 11421)
Oct:  1624 (start: #151 61 13015)
Nov:  1440 (start: #151 61 14639)
Dec:  1538 (start: #151 61 16079)
Tot: 17616


44 posted on 09/14/2012 10:19:20 AM PDT by KennethJohnKelly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: KennethJohnKelly

If the Nordyke numbers are genuine, those numbers won’t work with the numbering method that Verna K L Lee described. That’s why I calculated the starting point for August based on the Nordyke numbers. In order for those numbers to work out they would have had to have 27 days of Honolulu births all happen within the first 4 days of August.


45 posted on 09/14/2012 10:30:59 AM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion; KennethJohnKelly

“In order for those numbers to work out they would have had to have 27 days of Honolulu births all happen within the first 4 days of August”

Didn’t Vern Lee say that the BCs were collected for the month and separated geographically. If Kapiolani births were numbered first, there would be some BCs from the end of the month that would be numbered before births that occurred in a different geographic area but earlier in the month. Is that why Virginia Sunahara’s number is outside the range of the people born at Kapiolani?


46 posted on 09/14/2012 10:49:52 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: KennethJohnKelly; butterdezillion

There were only 17578 births in Hawaii in 1961 (Table 2-2). The 17616 comes from all births to women who listed Hawaii as their residence even if their child were born in a California (other state’s) hospital.


47 posted on 09/14/2012 10:53:59 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: 4Zoltan

For the numbers to start at 1 at the beginning of the year there would have be to 27 days’ worth of Honolulu births numbered in August before they ever got to the BC#’s for the Nordykes, who were born on Aug 5th.


48 posted on 09/14/2012 11:02:47 AM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: 4Zoltan

That’s a difference of 38 people. One person/day. It’s not going to change the result of the analysis.


49 posted on 09/14/2012 11:05:49 AM PDT by butterdezillion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: butterdezillion; KennethJohnKelly

It would change the numbers in KennethJohnKelly post for monthly births.

If we look at Edith Coates 6/15/1962 BC and the 1962 Natality report, there were 7400 births by the end of May and 8842 by the end of June. Edith’s cert # is 8498. That means between June 1st and June 15th there were 1098 births and only 344 births from June 16th to June 30th. Edith was born at the same hospital as Virgina Sunahara (IIRC). So if a month’s worth of Kapiolani Hospital births were numbered ahead of her’s you would expect that her BC to have an unusually high number.

If we look at Janna’s 12/21/1971 BC and the 1971 Natality report, there were 14506 births by the end of November and 15838 by the end of December. Her cert # is 015396 which means there were 890 births numbered before her and 442 births after her. She was born at Kapiolani but we don’t know her last name.

It appears to me that they collected BCs for the month as Vern Lee said and separated them by geographic locations before numbering them.

Also the cert numbers for the Coates and Janna BCs suggest that they were numbered sequentially at the beginning of each year.


50 posted on 09/14/2012 11:43:42 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-102 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson