That would be an OUTSTANDING question to email each of the committee members, please do so.
Anyone else who wants to ask them is welcome to as well.
Action Request!
Constitutional Eligibility
Action Request!
They meet Monday, act now, please...
Posted on 09/13/2012 4:19:57 PM PDT by Libloather
Manhattan man to challenge Obama's appearance on the November ballot
Staff reports
September 13, 2012 12:00 AM
A Manhattan man was scheduled to argue before state officials Thursday afternoon that President Obama's name should not be allowed on the November general election ballot.
The appeal by Joe Montgomery was to be heard by The Kansas Board of Objections, a three-person body that resolves ballot-eligibility issues. The board is comprised of Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, Secretary of State Kris Kobach and Atty. Gen. Derek Schmidt. All three are Republicans.
In material filed with the Secretary of State's office, Montgomery argues that Obama's name should be stricken from the ballot because he does not meet the constitutional requirement that candidates have been "born in this country to parents who are both U.S. citizens, primarily to a U.S. citizen father."
(Excerpt) Read more at themercury.com ...
If you haven't read it, you really need to read it. It explains a lot and it makes sense.
You are probably right. But I do have a question. Why does this committee need a complaitant at this stage? They have been given evidence of a crime. Are they guilty of misprision of a felony if they do not continue?
Less than two months before Election Day, a group of Kansas Republicans, led by a voter ID law advocate, is moving on a withdrawn challenge which may result in President Obama being removed from the ballot.
Kan. GOP Sec. of State Moving on Obama Birther Nov. Ballot Challenge
If you recall, he helped draft the AZ immigration law that passed and was being sued by the illegal alien Obama...
From his Facebook Page
https://www.facebook.com/SecretaryKrisKobach/info
About
Kris Kobach is the Secretary of State of Kansas. Believing in the importance of servant leadership, Secretary Kobach is dedicated to fighting voter fraud, ensuring electoral access for all Kansans, and improving civics education.
About Me
Secretary Kobach received his bachelor of arts degree with highest distinction from Harvard University in 1988. He graduated at the top of his class in the Harvard Government Department. In 1988, the British government awarded him a Marshall Scholarship, which took him to England for post-graduate study. In 1992 he received his doctorate in Political Science from Oxford University. In 1995 he received his J.D. from Yale Law School. While at Yale, he taught undergraduates in the Yale Political Science Department, and in 1994 he won the Prize Teaching Fellowship, an award based on student nominations and faculty review. He also served as notes development editor on the Yale Law Journal.
Secretary Kobach was admitted to the Kansas Bar in 1995 and served as a law clerk to Judge Deanell Reece Tacha of the United States Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit in 1995-1996. He joined the UMKC School of Law faculty in 1996. He has published two books, The Referendum: Direct Democracy in Switzerland (Dartmouth, 1994), and Political Capital: The Motives, Tactics, and Goals of Politicized Businesses in South Africa (University Press of America, 1990). He has also published numerous articles in political science, constitutional law, immigration law, and legal history.
In 2001, Secretary Kobach was awarded a White House Fellowship, which took him to Washington, DC, to work for the Bush Administration in the office of U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft. After his fellowship year ended, the Attorney General asked Kobach to stay on as his Counsel. In that capacity, Secretary Kobach served as the Attorney General’s chief adviser on immigration law and border security.
After the 9/11 attacks, Kobach was put in charge of Department of Justice efforts to tighten border security and return the rule of law to immigration. He led the team that designed and implemented the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System, which registers and fingerprints high-risk visitors to the United States. Within its first year of operation, the registration system resulted in the apprehension of numerous suspected terrorists. Secretary Kobach also led Department of Justice reforms of the immigration court system, resulting in the reshaping of the Board of Immigration Appeals in 2002. He left the Justice Department and returned to teaching law in July 2003.
Secretary Kobach has litigated a number of high-profile lawsuits in the field of immigration. He is lead attorney representing the city of Hazleton, Pennsylvania, in its defense of an ordinance that prohibits the employment of unauthorized aliens by businesses and prohibits the harboring of illegal aliens by landlords. He also represents U.S. citizen students challenging state policies that grant resident tuition rates to illegal aliens in Kansas and California. He is Senior Counsel at the Immigration Reform Law Institute, a Washington, DC-based legal advocacy organization that represents U.S. citizens in immigration-related cases across the country...
That’s what they are counting on, hesitation, intimidation, complacency, apathy...have you considered whether the uprisings in the ME are an orchestrated effort by Obama’s muslim financiers to distract our attention from US domestic activities?
This would certainly make him qualified to read and follow MvH and Ark to come to the only conclusion that Zippo is not an NBC.
This would certainly make him qualified to read and follow MvH and Ark to come to the only conclusion that Zippo is not an NBC.
Absolutely...he will be in a good position to reach a conclusion that there is an issue of CONSTITUTIONAL eligibility here.
And once the obots figure out that he was the author of AZ SB 1070 they no doubt will start with the “racist” refrain against him.
That would be an OUTSTANDING question to email each of the committee members, please do so.
Anyone else who wants to ask them is welcome to as well.
Action Request!
Constitutional Eligibility
Action Request!
They meet Monday, act now, please...
It still doesn’t explain the fake PDF file.
Hawaii is quite capable of compressing the layers, printing it out on security paper and then hand stamping (by a human being) the paper with the requisite legal certifications.
They sent a human being to pick up two paper copies. There would be no need to do that if they were just going to send a computer file. Obfuscation, aside, they don’t need to do that if it is LEGAL.
There is no need for Hawaii to call the cops on Zullo if the are LEGALLY allowed to print out a certified copy according to Holder or some other legal authority with out amendments.
If they (Hawaii) were LEGALLY covered, they’d just keep spitting out certified paper copies to SOS’s from AZ, Kansas, Mississippi, etc. with no reservations.
They won’t so they know they aren’t LEGALLY covered.
Good summary.
An adoption birth document is a fake (but not a fraud) document. It is a legal fake. And as pointed out the state would not or should not have an issue printing and stamping and embossing additional real copies of such.
Here, Hawaii has a) indicated it holds records, b) indicated what those records have a data in some fashion. But it has never, ever stood up to the actual images of COLB or the LFBC. The 2008 COLB is fake (and fraud) and of course the LFBC is a terrible fake and fraud.
Hawaii may have given the adminsitration an actual document. And they certainly provided a cover letter. ‘Cover’ may have multiple meanings. The political ‘cover’ is enormous. But if Hawaii KNOWS - which they must - that the document originally associated with the cover letter published by the WH has been altered then they are guilty of fraud. Maybe their lawyers have said you can play this game as long as you do not validate the image/digital file posted by the WH as the document sent/given with the cover letter.
A direct question to Hawaii should be this:
“Is the image posted by the Obama administration and referenced in your April 2011 letter to Mr. Obama’s lawyers an exact copy of the document you provided Mr. Obama’s lawyers? If so, please present a certified copy (with embossed/deembossed stamp) and all certifying signatures from the state of Hawaii of this document? “
Hawaii has tip-toed along the line since 2008 on this subject. The April 2011 cover letter is a specific crossing of the line.
“read and follow MvH and Ark”
Kobach is a Republican with political ambitions, in the hearing he argued that Minor did not define NBC.
There is simply no way he is going to rule Obama is not an NBC because that would mean that Senator Rubio and Governor Jindal are not NBCs. He’s just not going to do that. No matter what he may believe personally, he is not going to do it.
They know that either they or Obama are not legally covered, and perhaps both. For sure they’ve been covering for both themselves and Obama.
There are aspects that are probably not legal even in them creating a BC for Obama as per HRS 338-17.7. For instance, the statute says that they can do that for somebody born in Hawaii - but since Obama has no legally-valid record they can’t say that he was born in Hawaii, only that its CLAIMED he was born in Hawaii. So they would not be legally justified in giving him a new BC per HRS 338-17.7. They may have tried to cover their behinds on that by making sure that the fake new BC they created clearly showed that it was not legally valid so everyone would know they were operating on the basis of CLAIMS only, and not substantiated facts. That would explain why Obama’s people couldn’t just make a scan of the document HI gave them; they had to get rid of the notations of legal non-validity.
And stealing somebody else’s BC# to give to another person is not authorized anywhere in the statutes. That is just plain illegal. It is identity fraud perpetrated by the HDOH itself. Making sure that the person who ends up without a valid 1961 BC# is an unnamed dead infant doesn’t change the heinousness of the government stealing that dead child’s legal identity in order to help a crook get away with forgery, perjury, and the illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of our White House.
No, what they’ve done is NOT lawful, and they know it - as you say.
I’d love to hear exactly why Neal Palafox was booted out as HDOH director...
Actually Ken Bennett basically asked them to verify that when he requested that they verify that the WH BC was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”. And Onaka wouldn’t verify that, even though he was required to do so if he could.
So we have our answer. The question is what anybody is willing to do about it. Which is why Klayman’s letter is so critical: all the state AG’s, SOS’s, dem party chairs, DNC Executive Committee, Committee on Presidential Debates, and Bob Bauer and Nancy Pelosi have all been put on legal notice that this is the case - AND that Onaka similarly confirmed that the HI BC for Obama is not legally valid. They all know this now. The question is whether any SOS will obey the law and refuse to allow a known-fraudulent Certification of Nomination to get Obama on the state ballots, and/or investigate and prosecute the DNC for perjury and election fraud.
The whole thing is on display for us all to watch just like it’s Saturday Night Live. We know these players all know there are crimes being committed and we’re watching to see whether they will do the right thing, or join in on the crimes themselves.
“Smile - you’re on candid camera!”
“Which is why Klayman’s letter is so critical”
It’s being ignored:
Arizona
http://www.azsos.gov/election/2012/General/Presidential/democraticnomination.pdf
Idaho
http://www.sos.idaho.gov/elect/candidat/2012_general_candidates.pdf
Texas
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/pres-vp-dem-cert-2012.pdf
Florida (letter signed by Bauer)
http://doe.dos.state.fl.us/PublicRecordsBER/wfPublicImagesBER.aspx
It might be a good thing if Obama and his enablers create a public debate about Romney’s eligibility. Obama’s eligibility would/could be thrown into the mix. I think Romney’s parents never gave up or lost their citizenship while living in Mexico. Romney was born in the USA and his parents were still USA citizens on being back in the USA. This is known. As such Romney doesn’t have the eligibility problems that Obama has.
They’re not ignoring it. They’re playing “chicken” with every state AG in this country.
By the time they’re done, Barack Obama, Antonio Villaigarosa, and Alice Travis Germond will have racked up 50 perjury and election fraud violations, and Bob Bauer will have racked up 50 instances of suborning perjury and 50 instances of suborning election fraud.
It’s sort of like what Adolf Hitler did in Germany...
We will find out whether we have any rule of law left in this country whatsoever. And anybody who isn’t scared by that question is too stupid to understand the lessons from Hitler.
His job is to remove suspicious characters from the ballot, and make said characters come up with the proofs and the theories. By now we all know that what Obama released as a copy of his BC, is simply NOT what he received from HIDOH. That's suspicious enough for any man.
Election officials have exactly that arbitrary constitutional power. Their decisions are THEN subject to the courts. It is not the courts that give them the power. We did, in the state constitutions. E.G., Rahm Emanuel had to GO TO COURT to prove he was eligible to run for Mayor of Chicago.
On more time: Team Obama must become the PLAINTIFFS. Our loyal and true officers acting under the constitutions of our sovereign states become the DEFENDANTS. If one state AG does his job, the next step is the courts, appeals, and the Supremes finally earn their pay on the issue.
Again, what our officials are doing is USING the courts as an excuse to avoid the simple activity required by virtue of the constitutional authority they hold. The bad news: this constitutional power, being somewhat arbitrary in nature, means they really have some choice of listening to YOU ... or not.
I have thrown together a very rough draft of some of the things I might like to see included in such a letter. I do recognize that in many places the language is unsuitably lazy and in other places it's insufferably stilted and verbose. It leaps to some of its conclusions and in places it takes a little too harsh a tone. I respectfully offer it merely as a set of ideas in need of refinement or perhaps at least as something sufficient to motivate a competent writer to go to his or her own drawing board and to bring back a superior replacement. Maybe this could take a tangent and morph into a open letter on behalf of concerned eligibility challengers from all over.
In case you have the time, my rough draft letter from Kansas to Hawaii follows:
Dear [Hawaii Govt. Official],
I hereby request on behalf of the Kansas Elections Oversight Committee that the appropriate agencies and designees operating under the auspices of the State of Hawaii grant the most probative access possible to the birth records, vital records and any and all records that may have direct or indirect relationship either to the citizenship status of the person known as Barack Obama, II or to statements made by the State of Hawaii and its agencies regarding records held which concern Barack Obama, II or to images and digital media released by means of the White House web site or by any web sites that are affiliated with the Obama candidacy campaign organizations which purportedly represent in any manner the content and/or appearance of documents which would be maintained by one or more agencies of The State of Hawaii.
This request includes but is not limited to an opportunity for official agents of the State of Kansas to inspect:
I recognize that this request may be regarded as seeking extraordinary concessions to be made by the State of Hawaii and her governing officials. Nevertheless, I feel that the level of access I am requesting is both necessary and reasonably justified for reasons including but not limited to the following:
I urge you to greet this request with every possible gesture of good faith. In my best judgment the challenges raised by U.S. citizens in the State of Kansas are sufficiently reasonable in nature. Upon that basis it is my conclusion that those citizens will now be best served by governmental bodies that work together to afford them the best available evidence and to answer resolutely as many doubts and concerns as we may conceivably put to rest through the most definitive means available.
I ask my requests not expressed herein not be viewed as comprising a monolithic whole. If you can only grant some of the above requests, please indicate which ones and to what extent your resources will be helpfully availed. I further ask that for each request that you refuse to grant, that you cite the specific cause which has led you to refuse.
Be advised that to the extent that any action or response on your part may be judged as unreasonable withholding of assistance on this issue of national importance, my office will tend to consider that the eligibility of candidate Obama has been inadequately attested. Furthermore, taking legal action against your state agencies will be carefully weighed as we strive to arrive at final and uncontestable answers on this matter.
With gratitude and sincerity,
Kris Kobach
Kansas Secretary of State
I think it’s going to end up as a game of “Chicken”. Hawaii has painted itself into a corner by spending 2 months trying to make Ken Bennett prove that his law requires him to have a verification in order to make a list. If that’s the standard that Hawaii is going to use, then Kobach and AG Schmidt need to know that the only way they’re going to have standing to get anything from Hawaii is if they are parties in a lawsuit - which will only happen if they first refuse Obama a place on the ballot.
IOW, if these guys are not willing to truly keep Obama off the ballot and invite a lawsuit by Obama, they are never going to get even a letter of verification from Hawaii, much less what is really needed to audit the records. Unless Hawaii admits that they can release whatever they darn well please whenever they darn well please - and all the crap from their office has always been just that: crap.
We’ve got a giant game of “chicken” going on here.
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