Posted on 09/13/2012 4:19:57 PM PDT by Libloather
Manhattan man to challenge Obama's appearance on the November ballot
Staff reports
September 13, 2012 12:00 AM
A Manhattan man was scheduled to argue before state officials Thursday afternoon that President Obama's name should not be allowed on the November general election ballot.
The appeal by Joe Montgomery was to be heard by The Kansas Board of Objections, a three-person body that resolves ballot-eligibility issues. The board is comprised of Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, Secretary of State Kris Kobach and Atty. Gen. Derek Schmidt. All three are Republicans.
In material filed with the Secretary of State's office, Montgomery argues that Obama's name should be stricken from the ballot because he does not meet the constitutional requirement that candidates have been "born in this country to parents who are both U.S. citizens, primarily to a U.S. citizen father."
(Excerpt) Read more at themercury.com ...
That makes a lot of sense. I suppose there may not be a need for Kansas to ask anything of Hawaii initially. It seems as though it could be their prerogative to determine that thus far, Obama is hiding behind a fraudulent document (which in and of itself is circumstantial evidence that he is seeking to evade eligibility scrutiny) and a claim of dual citizenship which is unlikely to fit the framers’ intended meaning of Natural Born Citizen.
On that basis, they could could declare him to not be a valid candidate and then let the battle for evidence play out in the courts.
Butter, as always, your great grasp of all this and your willingness to sacrifice so much to follow through pays enormous dividends to the cause of our country and to her future. You are a true patriot. Again, many thanks.
We have all been playing Team Obama's game.
Uh sorry, didn’t see your last post. Sorry, ek, sorry Butter.
Apology ping
No problem. In truth, I guess when I initially posted my long letter, I truly wasn’t getting it. I should have spent more time reading and less time typing.
have you considered whether the uprisings in the ME are an orchestrated effort by Obama’s muslim financiers to distract our attention from US domestic activities?
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Have you all considered that the “sudden” ME chaos is the early October surprise .. which could further spin out of control to here, causing the monsterpotus to declare a national state of emergency, martial law, etc etc etc .. including Nov ?
Lord, have pity on us .. place Your hedge of protection around our dear nation and people.
If you pray, please pray God’s mercy.
I think Kenny Bunk's got the right of it:
"On more time: Team Obama must become the PLAINTIFFS".
Just make it clear that he won't appear on the ballot unless and until eligibility bona fides have been established with legally probative documentation. Then sit back and wait for Team-O to either comply or sue. It'll be a looong, wait, no doubt.
Simple, if the Kansas (or any other) SoS has the b@lls.
Next Step: Election officials do their job. Mombasa MF "Off the Ballot."
It is not their job, or ours, to go cap in hand to Hawaii and beg for documents. It is not our job to go to our officials with our interpretations on Article II, and it is not their job to interpret the Article for us.
(Stand by for Kenny Bunk Repetitive Refrain) Their job simply is to take suspicious characters off the ballot. They do it every election cycle to local, state, and federal candidates. Common example, "Guy's not a resident," is a frequent reason for removal. Then it is the removed candidate's job to establish his qualification, not theirs.
You and I, and all of us on these threads have fallen into a well laid and neatly sprung trap. We're doing the job Obama is supposed to do, therefore, all he need do is nothing. Furthermore, we have been successfully dismissed as hysterical nut jobs by Team Obama and the MSM, causing the officials who should remove him from state ballots to also do nothing.
In order to get an official to do a job he refuses to do, the courts must issue a Writ of Mandamus. You can see where that's going.
Don’t know if you have seen this yet.
“Kobach said today that he’s convinced that Obama’s birth certificate on the White House website matches the certified copy from the Hawaii Department of Health.
“That for me settles the issue,” he said. “It says that he meets the natural born citizen qualification.”
http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/17/2492998/kansas-expects-to-end-challenge.html#storylink=cpy
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/17/panel-rules-obama-eligible-be-kansas-ballot/
Panel rules Obama is eligible to be on Kansas ballot
From that article you post:
“On Monday, the board accepted birth certificate verification and adjourned the meeting.”
There is also this article:
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2012-09-17/kansas-board-drops-obama-ballot-complaint
“Secretary of State Kris Kobach, chairman of the three-person State Objections Board weighing the ballot complaint, said he was satisfied with documentation received since last week affirming Obama’s birth in Hawaii.”
It makes it sound like they may have received another verification from Hawaii.
Looks like Hawaii did send something to Kansas.
“Director Brad Bryant told TPM, however, that the board added a certification of Obama’s place of birth that Hawaii sent Kansas over the weekend into the record before bringing the matter to a close.”
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/kansas_birther_kris_kobach_orly_taitz.php
If it is in the record, a copy can be obtained.
And it sounds like it may be another worthless one just like MDEC received.
It also sounds like the presumption of regularity on whatever verification they received is blown to heck already based on the request not being written as required. lol. We’ll see.
But if requests can be done over the phone and not written, then a verification truly IS a signed, blank check - where the person who requested the verification could later claim that they requested ANYTHING, and there would be no way to know what was really requested unless the phone conversation was taped. And even at that, there’s no way of knowing that the HDOH personnel heard or understood what was requested either. With nothing written down, there’s no way to know what was requested, to compare what was requested with what was actually verified.
I spoke with someone at Kobach’s office and it was clarified that though the jurisdiction of the Objection Board is over now, the jurisdiction of Kobach himself is not over and it is still up to him to decide whether he will accept a known-perjurious Certification of Nomination to be effective in accomplishing election fraud. The guy I spoke with agreed that it wasn’t that Kobach COULD NOT keep Obama off the ballot, but that Kobach is saying he WILL NOT. He said that a court challenge would be the next step if anybody wanted to continue with the issue. I said that if the courts were used the next step would be election fraud charges against Mr. Kobach. He said that would be an option. A very nice man in a cordial but intense exchange.
“The guy I spoke with agreed that it wasn’t that Kobach COULD NOT keep Obama off the ballot, but that Kobach is saying he WILL NOT.”
SoS Kobach’s statement that Obama is a natural born citizen is not surprising. There was never any doubt in my mind that he would rule Obama was an NBC. For him to do otherwise would be the same as saying that Senator Rubio and Governor Jindal are not NBCs. This guy has ambitions - Governor of Kansas? Senator from Kansas?, there was no way he would jeopardize that. That’s just the political reality. That portion of the argument is dead. If you cannot convince a guy with his credentials on immigration law about the definition of NBC, you will never convince any court.
As to the verification, it appears to me that Hawaii has decided to send a verification to any SoS who asks for one. Without having seen what Hawaii sent Kansas, it is hard to know what language they used, but I suspect they found a way around the Klayman letter.
And from that report, it sounds like they are not saying that Obama is eligible, just that there is no objection for them to entertain, since the Chicago mob has effectively used intimidation to get the original objector to withdraw his objection.
They are trying to cover their legal a$$es. IOW, they know that what they received from Hawaii doesn’t do the job. And they want us to believe that the Objection Board is the only way to keep a person off the ballot.
I did mention to the man I spoke with that if they received a verification of any birth facts, then there is in the public record 2 contradictory legal disclosures from Onaka regarding the legal validity of Obama’s birth record, and at the very least due diligence would require an investigation to find out which one was accurate. He wanted to talk about Kansas election law but I said that at this point what applies is Kansas PERJURY law. Seemed like he wanted to change the subject at that. lol.
I don’t know if the person I spoke to was Brad Bryant, but the person I spoke to didn’t know what they had actually received. Actually, I just looked at the organizational tree for that office, and I believe I was sent to the Elections office so I probably did speak with Brad. If he spoke with TPM’s reporter before he spoke to me, then his comment about receiving “certification of Obama’s birth place” was probably just a general idea and not based on seeing what they had been sent - since he told me he had not seen what was sent. Kobach’s reported comment saying he was convinced that the WH document matched the genuine one leads me to believe that in the phone conversation where Kobach requested the verification (which actually violates HDOH’s policy, according to HDOH’s website), they urged him to make the same request that MDEC made.
Which both the HDOH and Kobach know is totally worthless. Because Kobach received Klayman’s letter on Sept 7th.
“Which both the HDOH and Kobach know is totally worthless. Because Kobach received Klayman’s letter on Sept 7th.”
And who is the chief law enforcement officer in Kansas - the attorney general - who is one of the members of the board. Conveniently absent from today’s hearing.
Remember when Attorney General Holder was cited for contempt of Congress? The citation was sent to the DOJ for prosecution and there it was dropped.
Any compliant against the Board for perjury would be prosecuted through the State Attorney General’s Office. With the same results as what happened with the contempt of Congress citation.
What do you make of this,
“Kobach read a note from Hawaii that said Obama’s birth certificate is the real deal.”
So maybe he didn’t even get a verification.
In this clip Kobash says,
“...that the birth certificate on record with the state of Hawaii matches the birth certificate that is on the White House website, so I have no doubt.” Kansas SoS Kobach
http://www.ksnt.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=3759150
Which is the language from the MDEC verification.
Sounds like he got the same garbage that MDEC got, although it may not have been certified. Probably not because a letter of verification has to be requested in written form and this was requested over the phone. So what they got is probably has even less legal value than what MDEC got - which had no legal/probative value because the same thing could have been said about a non-valid as a valid record.
The whole situation is so transparent. The lt governor was with patients? When did they schedule those patients for him? On Friday evening after the objector withdrew his objection? The lawyer of the bunch - the one who has received all the legal information regarding why the Certification of Nomination is perjurious - was sick? And the surrogates - the ones who will never bear the legal responsibility for what was done - were the ones pushing to just get the whole thing over. How convenient.
No matter how they try to slice it, the legal responsibility for accepting a known-perjurious Certification of Nomination constitutes election fraud, and being absent from a meeting doesn’t absolve either Schmidt or Kobach of the responsibility to not commit election fraud. Having surrogates at one meeting does not excuse election fraud, and putting Obama on the ballot when you know his Certification of Nomination is fraudulent is election fraud. Period.
Both Kobach and Schmidt have been given legal notice of the reasons that the legal presumption HAS to be that Onaka confirmed a legally non-valid birth record for Obama, and unless what they received specifically stated that the record is legally valid, they’ve got NOTHING to even refute that presumption of regularity. If they had a legal document from Onaka certifying that they have a legally-valid record which claims a Honolulu Aug 4, 1961 birth to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, then they’ve got at best 2 conflicting legal documents which calls into question the accuracy of EITHER.
There’s no way for Kobach and Schmidt to get out of the legal responsibility here. They are committing election fraud in accepting what is legally known to be a perjurious OCON, and the lawyer hiding behind a surrogate doesn’t change that fact - although it stinks to high heaven and strongly suggests that these guys know EXACTLY what is going on here, as does anybody who is informed beyond the pea-brained morons who read rags like the ones who claim Obama’s eligibility has already been proven when the legal facts are the exact opposite.
Onaka never said to either Bennett or MDEC that the BC actually matched - only that the information contained in the record matched. If the BC actually matched, then Onaka should have verified what Bennett requested - verification that the WH BC is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”.
Using the “matches” language is a heckuva lot different than saying the WH BC is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file.” Methinks that what Kobach got is the same thing that MDEC got, but what Kobach is SAYING he got is something altogether different. So either he doesn’t recognize the difference (which means he either didn’t read what Klayman sent him, or else he has zero reading comprehension skills), or he’s trying to make it sound like he’s got something that he doesn’t. Either of which just plain stinks.
Both Schmidt and Kobach have been alerted to the word-parsing that’s been done all along by the HDOH and should have seen past this, unless they are being wilfully ignorant.
Seeing what they actually received will tell us a lot. That could be why it’s taking some time for that office to fulfill my request.
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