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Manhattan man to challenge Obama's appearance on the November ballot (Kansas)
The Mercury ^ | 9/13/12

Posted on 09/13/2012 4:19:57 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: butterdezillion
Yes. I was actually thinking to ping you about this, because I was very skeptical of what you were saying but it makes sense now.

I couldn't think of a more plausible explanation for what we are seeing. I had the advantage of being familiar with my own situation. As I was adopted, I knew that it was a common occurrence for State governments to create fake birth documents which are designed to resemble originals. I have a copy of my official "fake" birth certificate sitting on my desk for the last several years. :)

When the State does it officially, it's not illegal. It's fake, but it's not forgery. It's still not the truth either, and we should not stop till we eventually discover the truth.

51 posted on 09/14/2012 11:59:20 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: 4Zoltan
That doesn’t look like it is going to happen. The pressure is building.

“Conservative Kansas Congressman: Obama ‘Will Be On The Ballot’”

I didn't think it was going to work. There's too much of a herd mentality out there. The Emperor has no clothes, but no one wants to stand up and say it. Especially not governmental officials who would invite a massive backlash against themselves.

52 posted on 09/14/2012 12:01:43 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Libloather; rawcatslyentist; Pontiac; doc1019; Tennessee Nana; Tucker39; null and void; ...

Ut Oh. So Zippos peeps didn;t think they could sway the commitee so they focused on a citizen with a family....

53 posted on 09/14/2012 4:26:57 PM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

In this case it most likely was illegal though, because the law requires the registrant to have been born in Hawaii and with a non-valid record the State of Hawaii could not say whether he was or wasn’t born in Hawaii. My suspicion is that they tried to resolve that dilemma by making the new BC non-valid just like the original, so that in neither case would they say that they vouch for any birth claims.

And reassigning Obama SOMEBODY ELSE’s BC# is not authorized in HRS 338-17.7. The only reason to change Stig Waidelich’s BC# is if Stig Waidelich is in danger. The only reason to change Virginia Sunahara’s BC# is if Virginia Sunahara is in danger. And we know that not to be the case. The new BC was not supposed to infringe on anything legally real; was just supposed to be a cosmetic cover-up so somebody could claim to be somebody else and the “bad guys” couldn’t find them.


54 posted on 09/14/2012 4:42:39 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: GregNH

Why do you assume they are not pressuring everyone involved?


55 posted on 09/14/2012 4:50:55 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1334 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: GregNH

It’s not hard to imagine what they did to the families and relatives of all those judges that have dismissed the other eligibility cases...


56 posted on 09/14/2012 4:57:33 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

If they can get away with this there is nothing they can’t do.

This is how cartels are emboldened to gut people and hang them from bridges if they speak out against the cartels.

We are a hair’s breadth from the fate of Mexico. If we don’t find our courage now, we may never have this chance again.


57 posted on 09/14/2012 5:53:59 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: DiogenesLamp

It was already clear that the board had rejected the two citizen parent theory.

“Montgomery argued Thursday that to be eligible for president, both of Obama’s parents had to be U.S. citizens when he was born, another long-circulating claim that includes citations of U.S. Supreme Court decisions, some more than a century old.”

“Schmidt and Kobach disagreed. Kobach said Montgomery was “trying to read too much in these very old decisions.””

http://www.themercury.com/News/article.aspx?articleId=76a0973a91374c64952f64353eef8275

They were going to accept whatever Hawaii said, even if they couldn’t get hold of Hawaii.


58 posted on 09/14/2012 6:36:18 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan
“Schmidt and Kobach disagreed. Kobach said Montgomery was “trying to read too much in these very old decisions.””

Faulty thinking. The closer to the Founding, the more likely a decision would be accurate. I've noticed the tendency of people to care more about what judges said than what founders said. Found this the other day. (Thanks to Dr. Conspiracy)

James Monroe, Paris 4th July 1795

A Mr Eldred was lately apprehended at Marseilles and sent here under guard upon a charge of having given intelligence to the British of some movement in the French fleet. Upon inquiry I found he had my passport granted too upon the most substantial documents proving him to be an American citizen; but I likewise found that in truth he was not an American citizen, for although born in America yet he was not there in the course of our revolution but in England, nor had he been there since. From what I hear of him, he is not a person of mischevious 1 Page Break

disposition nor one who would be apt to commit the offence charged upon him, but yet I do not see how I can officially interfere in his behalf, for when once a principle is departed from, it ceases to be a principle. More latterly I was requested by the commissary of foreign affairs to prohibit our consuls from granting passports, which was immediately done. I was afterwards requested by him to furnish a list of the Americans actually in Paris, and to render a like list every decade of those who should in the interim arrive, and which was promised and will be punctually executed. I herewith send you a copy of my instructions to the Consuls and correspondence with the commissary on this subject.

They were going to accept whatever Hawaii said, even if they couldn’t get hold of Hawaii.

Yeah, that's the other thing. They want to accept whatever everyone else thinks is correct. The Baby boom generation are pansies compared to the World War II generation. (And pretty much all others as well.)

59 posted on 09/14/2012 8:10:34 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: GregNH

No comment on my James McClure PM?


60 posted on 09/14/2012 8:14:12 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: butterdezillion
Did you read Jack Cashill's latest article at American Thinker? He basically says that the Hawaiian government is suffused with Yakuza criminals using it for whatever they need it for. He Also says that they sell social security numbers as part of their racket.

If you haven't read it, you really need to read it. It explains a lot and it makes sense.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/a_possible_explanation_for_obamas_connecticut_social_security_number.html

61 posted on 09/14/2012 8:17:51 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: null and void

You are probably right. But I do have a question. Why does this committee need a complaitant at this stage? They have been given evidence of a crime. Are they guilty of misprision of a felony if they do not continue?


62 posted on 09/15/2012 4:36:04 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: null and void; butterdezillion; Hotlanta Mike; 4Zoltan; DiogenesLamp
Ping the list again.
Less than two months before Election Day, a group of Kansas Republicans, led by a voter ID law advocate, is moving on a withdrawn challenge which may result in President Obama being removed from the ballot.

Kan. GOP Sec. of State Moving on Obama Birther Nov. Ballot Challenge

63 posted on 09/15/2012 5:14:48 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: GregNH

If you recall, he helped draft the AZ immigration law that passed and was being sued by the illegal alien Obama...

From his Facebook Page

https://www.facebook.com/SecretaryKrisKobach/info

About

Kris Kobach is the Secretary of State of Kansas. Believing in the importance of servant leadership, Secretary Kobach is dedicated to fighting voter fraud, ensuring electoral access for all Kansans, and improving civics education.

About Me

Secretary Kobach received his bachelor of arts degree with highest distinction from Harvard University in 1988. He graduated at the top of his class in the Harvard Government Department. In 1988, the British government awarded him a Marshall Scholarship, which took him to England for post-graduate study. In 1992 he received his doctorate in Political Science from Oxford University. In 1995 he received his J.D. from Yale Law School. While at Yale, he taught undergraduates in the Yale Political Science Department, and in 1994 he won the Prize Teaching Fellowship, an award based on student nominations and faculty review. He also served as notes development editor on the Yale Law Journal.

Secretary Kobach was admitted to the Kansas Bar in 1995 and served as a law clerk to Judge Deanell Reece Tacha of the United States Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit in 1995-1996. He joined the UMKC School of Law faculty in 1996. He has published two books, The Referendum: Direct Democracy in Switzerland (Dartmouth, 1994), and Political Capital: The Motives, Tactics, and Goals of Politicized Businesses in South Africa (University Press of America, 1990). He has also published numerous articles in political science, constitutional law, immigration law, and legal history.

In 2001, Secretary Kobach was awarded a White House Fellowship, which took him to Washington, DC, to work for the Bush Administration in the office of U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft. After his fellowship year ended, the Attorney General asked Kobach to stay on as his Counsel. In that capacity, Secretary Kobach served as the Attorney General’s chief adviser on immigration law and border security.

After the 9/11 attacks, Kobach was put in charge of Department of Justice efforts to tighten border security and return the rule of law to immigration. He led the team that designed and implemented the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System, which registers and fingerprints high-risk visitors to the United States. Within its first year of operation, the registration system resulted in the apprehension of numerous suspected terrorists. Secretary Kobach also led Department of Justice reforms of the immigration court system, resulting in the reshaping of the Board of Immigration Appeals in 2002. He left the Justice Department and returned to teaching law in July 2003.

Secretary Kobach has litigated a number of high-profile lawsuits in the field of immigration. He is lead attorney representing the city of Hazleton, Pennsylvania, in its defense of an ordinance that prohibits the employment of unauthorized aliens by businesses and prohibits the harboring of illegal aliens by landlords. He also represents U.S. citizen students challenging state policies that grant resident tuition rates to illegal aliens in Kansas and California. He is Senior Counsel at the Immigration Reform Law Institute, a Washington, DC-based legal advocacy organization that represents U.S. citizens in immigration-related cases across the country...


64 posted on 09/15/2012 6:49:17 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: butterdezillion

That’s what they are counting on, hesitation, intimidation, complacency, apathy...have you considered whether the uprisings in the ME are an orchestrated effort by Obama’s muslim financiers to distract our attention from US domestic activities?


65 posted on 09/15/2012 6:52:39 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
He has also published numerous articles in political science, constitutional law, immigration law, and legal history.

This would certainly make him qualified to read and follow MvH and Ark to come to the only conclusion that Zippo is not an NBC.

66 posted on 09/15/2012 6:55:48 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: GregNH

This would certainly make him qualified to read and follow MvH and Ark to come to the only conclusion that Zippo is not an NBC.


Absolutely...he will be in a good position to reach a conclusion that there is an issue of CONSTITUTIONAL eligibility here.

And once the obots figure out that he was the author of AZ SB 1070 they no doubt will start with the “racist” refrain against him.


67 posted on 09/15/2012 7:32:40 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: GregNH; Absolutely Nobama; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Aurorales; autumnraine; azishot; AZ .44 MAG; ...
You are probably right. But I do have a question. Why does this committee need a complaitant at this stage? They have been given evidence of a crime. Are they guilty of misprision of a felony if they do not continue?

That would be an OUTSTANDING question to email each of the committee members, please do so.

Anyone else who wants to ask them is welcome to as well.

Action Request!

Constitutional Eligibility

Action Request!

They meet Monday, act now, please...

68 posted on 09/15/2012 9:13:53 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1335 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: DiogenesLamp; butterdezillion

It still doesn’t explain the fake PDF file.

Hawaii is quite capable of compressing the layers, printing it out on security paper and then hand stamping (by a human being) the paper with the requisite legal certifications.

They sent a human being to pick up two paper copies. There would be no need to do that if they were just going to send a computer file. Obfuscation, aside, they don’t need to do that if it is LEGAL.

There is no need for Hawaii to call the cops on Zullo if the are LEGALLY allowed to print out a certified copy according to Holder or some other legal authority with out amendments.

If they (Hawaii) were LEGALLY covered, they’d just keep spitting out certified paper copies to SOS’s from AZ, Kansas, Mississippi, etc. with no reservations.

They won’t so they know they aren’t LEGALLY covered.


69 posted on 09/15/2012 9:33:14 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Good summary.


70 posted on 09/15/2012 11:12:19 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: DiogenesLamp; butterdezillion; Smokeyblue

An adoption birth document is a fake (but not a fraud) document. It is a legal fake. And as pointed out the state would not or should not have an issue printing and stamping and embossing additional real copies of such.

Here, Hawaii has a) indicated it holds records, b) indicated what those records have a data in some fashion. But it has never, ever stood up to the actual images of COLB or the LFBC. The 2008 COLB is fake (and fraud) and of course the LFBC is a terrible fake and fraud.

Hawaii may have given the adminsitration an actual document. And they certainly provided a cover letter. ‘Cover’ may have multiple meanings. The political ‘cover’ is enormous. But if Hawaii KNOWS - which they must - that the document originally associated with the cover letter published by the WH has been altered then they are guilty of fraud. Maybe their lawyers have said you can play this game as long as you do not validate the image/digital file posted by the WH as the document sent/given with the cover letter.

A direct question to Hawaii should be this:

“Is the image posted by the Obama administration and referenced in your April 2011 letter to Mr. Obama’s lawyers an exact copy of the document you provided Mr. Obama’s lawyers? If so, please present a certified copy (with embossed/deembossed stamp) and all certifying signatures from the state of Hawaii of this document? “

Hawaii has tip-toed along the line since 2008 on this subject. The April 2011 cover letter is a specific crossing of the line.


71 posted on 09/15/2012 12:07:06 PM PDT by bluecat6
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To: GregNH

“read and follow MvH and Ark”

Kobach is a Republican with political ambitions, in the hearing he argued that Minor did not define NBC.

There is simply no way he is going to rule Obama is not an NBC because that would mean that Senator Rubio and Governor Jindal are not NBCs. He’s just not going to do that. No matter what he may believe personally, he is not going to do it.


72 posted on 09/15/2012 12:22:31 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: Smokeyblue

They know that either they or Obama are not legally covered, and perhaps both. For sure they’ve been covering for both themselves and Obama.

There are aspects that are probably not legal even in them creating a BC for Obama as per HRS 338-17.7. For instance, the statute says that they can do that for somebody born in Hawaii - but since Obama has no legally-valid record they can’t say that he was born in Hawaii, only that its CLAIMED he was born in Hawaii. So they would not be legally justified in giving him a new BC per HRS 338-17.7. They may have tried to cover their behinds on that by making sure that the fake new BC they created clearly showed that it was not legally valid so everyone would know they were operating on the basis of CLAIMS only, and not substantiated facts. That would explain why Obama’s people couldn’t just make a scan of the document HI gave them; they had to get rid of the notations of legal non-validity.

And stealing somebody else’s BC# to give to another person is not authorized anywhere in the statutes. That is just plain illegal. It is identity fraud perpetrated by the HDOH itself. Making sure that the person who ends up without a valid 1961 BC# is an unnamed dead infant doesn’t change the heinousness of the government stealing that dead child’s legal identity in order to help a crook get away with forgery, perjury, and the illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of our White House.

No, what they’ve done is NOT lawful, and they know it - as you say.

I’d love to hear exactly why Neal Palafox was booted out as HDOH director...


73 posted on 09/15/2012 1:11:15 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: bluecat6

Actually Ken Bennett basically asked them to verify that when he requested that they verify that the WH BC was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”. And Onaka wouldn’t verify that, even though he was required to do so if he could.

So we have our answer. The question is what anybody is willing to do about it. Which is why Klayman’s letter is so critical: all the state AG’s, SOS’s, dem party chairs, DNC Executive Committee, Committee on Presidential Debates, and Bob Bauer and Nancy Pelosi have all been put on legal notice that this is the case - AND that Onaka similarly confirmed that the HI BC for Obama is not legally valid. They all know this now. The question is whether any SOS will obey the law and refuse to allow a known-fraudulent Certification of Nomination to get Obama on the state ballots, and/or investigate and prosecute the DNC for perjury and election fraud.

The whole thing is on display for us all to watch just like it’s Saturday Night Live. We know these players all know there are crimes being committed and we’re watching to see whether they will do the right thing, or join in on the crimes themselves.

“Smile - you’re on candid camera!”


74 posted on 09/15/2012 1:18:51 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

“Which is why Klayman’s letter is so critical”

It’s being ignored:

Arizona
http://www.azsos.gov/election/2012/General/Presidential/democraticnomination.pdf

Idaho
http://www.sos.idaho.gov/elect/candidat/2012_general_candidates.pdf

Texas
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/pres-vp-dem-cert-2012.pdf

Florida (letter signed by Bauer)
http://doe.dos.state.fl.us/PublicRecordsBER/wfPublicImagesBER.aspx


75 posted on 09/15/2012 2:24:33 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: Tennessee Nana

It might be a good thing if Obama and his enablers create a public debate about Romney’s eligibility. Obama’s eligibility would/could be thrown into the mix. I think Romney’s parents never gave up or lost their citizenship while living in Mexico. Romney was born in the USA and his parents were still USA citizens on being back in the USA. This is known. As such Romney doesn’t have the eligibility problems that Obama has.


76 posted on 09/15/2012 2:28:55 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: 4Zoltan

They’re not ignoring it. They’re playing “chicken” with every state AG in this country.

By the time they’re done, Barack Obama, Antonio Villaigarosa, and Alice Travis Germond will have racked up 50 perjury and election fraud violations, and Bob Bauer will have racked up 50 instances of suborning perjury and 50 instances of suborning election fraud.

It’s sort of like what Adolf Hitler did in Germany...

We will find out whether we have any rule of law left in this country whatsoever. And anybody who isn’t scared by that question is too stupid to understand the lessons from Hitler.


77 posted on 09/15/2012 2:33:51 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: GregNH; null and void; butterdezillion; Hotlanta Mike; 4Zoltan; DiogenesLamp
This would certainly make him qualified to read and follow MvH and Ark to come to the only conclusion that Zippo is not an NBC.

This guy is OVER-qualified.
See, reading MvH, Wong Kim Ark, etc.
ain't his job.

His job is to remove suspicious characters from the ballot, and make said characters come up with the proofs and the theories. By now we all know that what Obama released as a copy of his BC, is simply NOT what he received from HIDOH. That's suspicious enough for any man.

Election officials have exactly that arbitrary constitutional power. Their decisions are THEN subject to the courts. It is not the courts that give them the power. We did, in the state constitutions. E.G., Rahm Emanuel had to GO TO COURT to prove he was eligible to run for Mayor of Chicago.

On more time: Team Obama must become the PLAINTIFFS. Our loyal and true officers acting under the constitutions of our sovereign states become the DEFENDANTS. If one state AG does his job, the next step is the courts, appeals, and the Supremes finally earn their pay on the issue.

Again, what our officials are doing is USING the courts as an excuse to avoid the simple activity required by virtue of the constitutional authority they hold. The bad news: this constitutional power, being somewhat arbitrary in nature, means they really have some choice of listening to YOU ... or not.

78 posted on 09/16/2012 8:35:33 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende.)
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To: butterdezillion; null and void; Hotlanta Mike; Red Steel; rxsid; edge919; Flotsam_Jetsome; ...
If somehow, the Kansas challenge is prolonged or taken up by someone else, I can imagine that SOS Kobach, et al, will be wise to carefully consider the specific requests they might make of the State of Hawaii.

I have thrown together a very rough draft of some of the things I might like to see included in such a letter. I do recognize that in many places the language is unsuitably lazy and in other places it's insufferably stilted and verbose. It leaps to some of its conclusions and in places it takes a little too harsh a tone. I respectfully offer it merely as a set of ideas in need of refinement or perhaps at least as something sufficient to motivate a competent writer to go to his or her own drawing board and to bring back a superior replacement. Maybe this could take a tangent and morph into a open letter on behalf of concerned eligibility challengers from all over.

In case you have the time, my rough draft letter from Kansas to Hawaii follows:



Dear [Hawaii Govt. Official],

I hereby request on behalf of the Kansas Elections Oversight Committee that the  appropriate agencies and designees operating under the auspices of the State of Hawaii grant the most probative access possible to the birth records, vital records and any and all records that may have direct or indirect relationship either to the citizenship status of the person known as Barack Obama, II or to statements made by the State of Hawaii and its agencies regarding records held which concern Barack Obama, II  or to images and digital media released by means of the White House web site or by any web sites that are affiliated with the Obama candidacy campaign organizations which purportedly represent in any manner the content and/or appearance of documents which would be maintained by one or more agencies of The State of Hawaii.

This request includes but is not limited to an opportunity for official agents of the State of Kansas to inspect:

  1. the original unique hard copy Certificate of Live Birth hand-signed by a physician of record and by the birth parent or parents of Barack Obama II allegedly received into the files of The Hawaii Department of Health in August of 1961.
  2. A high resolution, precisely detailed scan or photocopy of the document indicated by point 1 above bearing the official embossed seal and stamp as required by law to constitute a certified true and accurate copy of the original.
  3. All documents inspected or referenced in any way to serve as justification for public statements made by or through  representatives and resources of the State of Hawaii
  4. Any and all forms, requests, correspondence or memoranda submitted to agencies of the State of Hawaii by Barack Obama II or persons or agencies claiming to represent him pertaining in any way to the content, representation and/or administration of vital records or any records which could be construed as having any direct or indirect relationship to the citizenship, parentage, birth date, birthplace or other authenticating facts connected with the background of BHO held by the State of Hawaii.
  5. The earliest original roll or rolls of microfilm onto which any image of the presumptive original above-mentioned Certificate of Live Birth would  have been captured.
  6. Any and all documents or records that anyone may reasonably construe to be relevant to any of the claims made by the State of Hawaii, the White House, Obama campaign organizations, Obama representatives and surrogates and attorneys operating on behalf of any of the above.

I recognize that this request may be regarded as seeking extraordinary concessions to be made by the State of Hawaii and her governing officials.  Nevertheless, I feel that the level of access I am requesting is both necessary and reasonably justified for reasons including but not limited to the following:

  1. To date, over one hundred court cases have been filed and pursued in state and federal courts throughout the nation, consuming many thousands of dollars along with other substantial tangible resources of taxpayer funded state and federal governmental agencies.
  2. A fully vested law enforcement agency has announced and detailed its conclusion that there is sufficient credible evidence to regard the purported copy of the Certificate of Live Birth currently published digitally through the White House web site is a forgery.
  3. This is a matter of National importance regarding eligibility for the single highest office in the land, and one in which prolonged controversy is not only costly but also bears the potential to yield a constitutional crisis and attendant possible consequences of historic proportions if not settled as quickly, as fully, and as transparently as feasibly possible.
  4. Any laws and policies in Hawaii that would tend to disallow the access I am requesting can only do so for the underlying purpose of either preserving privacy or of seeking to protect from physical harm the documents and media to which I am seeking to gain access. 
    1. On the first count, privacy may only continue to be a lingering concern in the case that the document published on the White House web site is something other than what it is widely perceived to be.  Should that be the case, a simple notification that Obama’s actual records have not yet been made public and therefore his privacy must still be protected will be sufficient to further the investigative purposes of the State of Kansas
    2. On the second count, please be assured that any representatives of my agency will comply fully with all reasonable procedures and techniques advised by Hawaii agencies in order to ensure the best possible treatment of all documents in question.
    3. Given the case that, at the heart of the matter, there is no reasonable privacy concern (assuming published documents and statements in no way contradict true documents) there is also no reasonable consequence or recourse to be held against the State of Hawaii for adding further clarity and attestation to the documents already placed in the public domain.  For this reason, considering the extraordinary circumstances, the State of Hawaii is obliged to follow the spirit of the law in the way that will be most helpful to the citizens of that Sate and of this country.  This situation behooves by any and all means the record be set straight with no remaining reasonable doubts of obfuscation or needless concealment.
  5. Past statements and verifications made by the state of Hawaii have been widely viewed by those who seek to clarify Mr. Obama’s eligibility as stopping far too short of thoroughly, and finally confirming that the document which Obama and/or his representatives describe as proof positive is indeed a true and accurate representation to the finest detail of a singular original authentic record in your files. 
    1. In support of this contention stands the that fact that seemingly inexplicably the Secretary of State in Arizona was delayed for some eight weeks as the particular wording and justification for his request was greeted by a series of Hawaii insisted requirements and hoops to be jumped through before a verification could be availed.  Furthermore the verification that was sent refused to certify that the copy posted on the White House web site is true and accurate and legally valid, reasonably implying that it was not true and accurate and/or legally valid.
    2. The developments, immediately above, along with a series of documents and statements released by Hawaii government officials related to this matter have been widely regarded as curiously worded or confusing and have thus far have failed to provide substantial rest and resolution for concerned citizens.
  6. At this point, given the extraordinary exceptions already made respecting public statements and provisions related to the Obama records, for the State of Hawaii to resist making the concessions I am hereby requesting on the basis of strictly following established policies can only reasonably be construed as unreasonable hypocrisy.
    1. The trustworthiness of the Hawaii Department of Health is already undermined on this count in the minds of eligibility challengers by the fact that the Hawaii Government was willing to make extraordinary exceptions that would ostensibly benefit the public perception of Barack Obama, II (in releasing to his attorney certified original copies of his COLB) while at the same time refusing even in the face of costly litigation the request that Duncan Sunahara be granted access to his own long-deceased sister’s original long form birth certificate.
    2. Additionally the questionably timed series of policy changes made starting in 2007 by the officials in the Hawaii Department of Health and related agencies may readily be construed as steps toward hiding and defending the records of Barack Obama from scrutiny that would seem to be suitably justified from what I and others would consider an objective and reasonable point of view.

I urge you to greet this request with every possible gesture of good faith.  In my best judgment the challenges raised by U.S. citizens in the State of Kansas are sufficiently reasonable in nature.  Upon that basis it is my conclusion that those citizens will now be best served by governmental bodies that work together to afford them the best available evidence and to answer resolutely as many doubts and concerns as we may conceivably put to rest through the most definitive means available.

I ask my requests not expressed herein not be viewed as comprising a monolithic whole.  If you can only grant some of the above requests, please indicate which ones and to what extent your resources will be helpfully availed.  I further ask that for each request that you refuse to grant, that you cite the specific cause which has led you to refuse.

Be advised that to the extent that any action or response on your part may be judged as unreasonable withholding of assistance on this issue of national importance, my office will tend to consider that the eligibility of candidate Obama has been inadequately attested.  Furthermore, taking legal action against your state agencies will be carefully weighed as we strive to arrive at final and uncontestable answers on this matter.

With gratitude and sincerity,

Kris Kobach
Kansas Secretary of State

79 posted on 09/16/2012 9:12:01 PM PDT by ecinkc (ugh)
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To: ecinkc

I think it’s going to end up as a game of “Chicken”. Hawaii has painted itself into a corner by spending 2 months trying to make Ken Bennett prove that his law requires him to have a verification in order to make a list. If that’s the standard that Hawaii is going to use, then Kobach and AG Schmidt need to know that the only way they’re going to have standing to get anything from Hawaii is if they are parties in a lawsuit - which will only happen if they first refuse Obama a place on the ballot.

IOW, if these guys are not willing to truly keep Obama off the ballot and invite a lawsuit by Obama, they are never going to get even a letter of verification from Hawaii, much less what is really needed to audit the records. Unless Hawaii admits that they can release whatever they darn well please whenever they darn well please - and all the crap from their office has always been just that: crap.

We’ve got a giant game of “chicken” going on here.


80 posted on 09/16/2012 9:32:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

That makes a lot of sense. I suppose there may not be a need for Kansas to ask anything of Hawaii initially. It seems as though it could be their prerogative to determine that thus far, Obama is hiding behind a fraudulent document (which in and of itself is circumstantial evidence that he is seeking to evade eligibility scrutiny) and a claim of dual citizenship which is unlikely to fit the framers’ intended meaning of Natural Born Citizen.

On that basis, they could could declare him to not be a valid candidate and then let the battle for evidence play out in the courts.

Butter, as always, your great grasp of all this and your willingness to sacrifice so much to follow through pays enormous dividends to the cause of our country and to her future. You are a true patriot. Again, many thanks.


81 posted on 09/16/2012 9:49:05 PM PDT by ecinkc (ugh)
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To: ecinkc
You ain't gettin' it, pal. All Kobach needs to do is his job, which is throw the Mombasa MF off the ballot. It's Obama's job to bring the proof to court when he sues Kobach to get back on.

We have all been playing Team Obama's game.

82 posted on 09/16/2012 9:52:35 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Uh sorry, didn’t see your last post. Sorry, ek, sorry Butter.


83 posted on 09/16/2012 9:53:53 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende.)
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To: ecinkc

Apology ping


84 posted on 09/16/2012 9:55:08 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

No problem. In truth, I guess when I initially posted my long letter, I truly wasn’t getting it. I should have spent more time reading and less time typing.


85 posted on 09/16/2012 10:01:11 PM PDT by ecinkc (ugh)
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To: Hotlanta Mike; butterdezillion; Red Steel; Fred Nerks

have you considered whether the uprisings in the ME are an orchestrated effort by Obama’s muslim financiers to distract our attention from US domestic activities?

~~~~~~~~~~~

Have you all considered that the “sudden” ME chaos is the early October surprise .. which could further spin out of control to here, causing the monsterpotus to declare a national state of emergency, martial law, etc etc etc .. including Nov ?

Lord, have pity on us .. place Your hedge of protection around our dear nation and people.

If you pray, please pray God’s mercy.


86 posted on 09/16/2012 10:10:22 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: ecinkc; Kenny Bunk
Thanks for the Ping.

I think Kenny Bunk's got the right of it:

"On more time: Team Obama must become the PLAINTIFFS".

Just make it clear that he won't appear on the ballot unless and until eligibility bona fides have been established with legally probative documentation. Then sit back and wait for Team-O to either comply or sue. It'll be a looong, wait, no doubt.

Simple, if the Kansas (or any other) SoS has the b@lls.

87 posted on 09/17/2012 1:49:30 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Sheriff Joe and the CCP have definitively established DOUBT.

Next Step: Election officials do their job. Mombasa MF "Off the Ballot."

It is not their job, or ours, to go cap in hand to Hawaii and beg for documents. It is not our job to go to our officials with our interpretations on Article II, and it is not their job to interpret the Article for us.

(Stand by for Kenny Bunk Repetitive Refrain) Their job simply is to take suspicious characters off the ballot. They do it every election cycle to local, state, and federal candidates. Common example, "Guy's not a resident," is a frequent reason for removal. Then it is the removed candidate's job to establish his qualification, not theirs.

You and I, and all of us on these threads have fallen into a well laid and neatly sprung trap. We're doing the job Obama is supposed to do, therefore, all he need do is nothing. Furthermore, we have been successfully dismissed as hysterical nut jobs by Team Obama and the MSM, causing the officials who should remove him from state ballots to also do nothing.

In order to get an official to do a job he refuses to do, the courts must issue a Writ of Mandamus. You can see where that's going.

88 posted on 09/17/2012 7:14:39 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende.)
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To: butterdezillion

Don’t know if you have seen this yet.

“Kobach said today that he’s convinced that Obama’s birth certificate on the White House website matches the certified copy from the Hawaii Department of Health.

“That for me settles the issue,” he said. “It says that he meets the natural born citizen qualification.”

http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/17/2492998/kansas-expects-to-end-challenge.html#storylink=cpy


89 posted on 09/17/2012 9:37:05 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/17/panel-rules-obama-eligible-be-kansas-ballot/

Panel rules Obama is eligible to be on Kansas ballot


90 posted on 09/17/2012 9:40:40 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry; butterdezillion

From that article you post:

“On Monday, the board accepted birth certificate verification and adjourned the meeting.”

There is also this article:

http://cjonline.com/news/state/2012-09-17/kansas-board-drops-obama-ballot-complaint

“Secretary of State Kris Kobach, chairman of the three-person State Objections Board weighing the ballot complaint, said he was satisfied with documentation received since last week affirming Obama’s birth in Hawaii.”

It makes it sound like they may have received another verification from Hawaii.


91 posted on 09/17/2012 10:37:01 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: Elderberry; butterdezillion

Looks like Hawaii did send something to Kansas.

“Director Brad Bryant told TPM, however, that the board added a certification of Obama’s place of birth that Hawaii sent Kansas over the weekend into the record before bringing the matter to a close.”

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/kansas_birther_kris_kobach_orly_taitz.php

If it is in the record, a copy can be obtained.


92 posted on 09/17/2012 10:54:43 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

And it sounds like it may be another worthless one just like MDEC received.

It also sounds like the presumption of regularity on whatever verification they received is blown to heck already based on the request not being written as required. lol. We’ll see.

But if requests can be done over the phone and not written, then a verification truly IS a signed, blank check - where the person who requested the verification could later claim that they requested ANYTHING, and there would be no way to know what was really requested unless the phone conversation was taped. And even at that, there’s no way of knowing that the HDOH personnel heard or understood what was requested either. With nothing written down, there’s no way to know what was requested, to compare what was requested with what was actually verified.

I spoke with someone at Kobach’s office and it was clarified that though the jurisdiction of the Objection Board is over now, the jurisdiction of Kobach himself is not over and it is still up to him to decide whether he will accept a known-perjurious Certification of Nomination to be effective in accomplishing election fraud. The guy I spoke with agreed that it wasn’t that Kobach COULD NOT keep Obama off the ballot, but that Kobach is saying he WILL NOT. He said that a court challenge would be the next step if anybody wanted to continue with the issue. I said that if the courts were used the next step would be election fraud charges against Mr. Kobach. He said that would be an option. A very nice man in a cordial but intense exchange.


93 posted on 09/17/2012 11:02:30 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

“The guy I spoke with agreed that it wasn’t that Kobach COULD NOT keep Obama off the ballot, but that Kobach is saying he WILL NOT.”

SoS Kobach’s statement that Obama is a natural born citizen is not surprising. There was never any doubt in my mind that he would rule Obama was an NBC. For him to do otherwise would be the same as saying that Senator Rubio and Governor Jindal are not NBCs. This guy has ambitions - Governor of Kansas? Senator from Kansas?, there was no way he would jeopardize that. That’s just the political reality. That portion of the argument is dead. If you cannot convince a guy with his credentials on immigration law about the definition of NBC, you will never convince any court.

As to the verification, it appears to me that Hawaii has decided to send a verification to any SoS who asks for one. Without having seen what Hawaii sent Kansas, it is hard to know what language they used, but I suspect they found a way around the Klayman letter.


94 posted on 09/17/2012 11:22:08 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

And from that report, it sounds like they are not saying that Obama is eligible, just that there is no objection for them to entertain, since the Chicago mob has effectively used intimidation to get the original objector to withdraw his objection.

They are trying to cover their legal a$$es. IOW, they know that what they received from Hawaii doesn’t do the job. And they want us to believe that the Objection Board is the only way to keep a person off the ballot.

I did mention to the man I spoke with that if they received a verification of any birth facts, then there is in the public record 2 contradictory legal disclosures from Onaka regarding the legal validity of Obama’s birth record, and at the very least due diligence would require an investigation to find out which one was accurate. He wanted to talk about Kansas election law but I said that at this point what applies is Kansas PERJURY law. Seemed like he wanted to change the subject at that. lol.

I don’t know if the person I spoke to was Brad Bryant, but the person I spoke to didn’t know what they had actually received. Actually, I just looked at the organizational tree for that office, and I believe I was sent to the Elections office so I probably did speak with Brad. If he spoke with TPM’s reporter before he spoke to me, then his comment about receiving “certification of Obama’s birth place” was probably just a general idea and not based on seeing what they had been sent - since he told me he had not seen what was sent. Kobach’s reported comment saying he was convinced that the WH document matched the genuine one leads me to believe that in the phone conversation where Kobach requested the verification (which actually violates HDOH’s policy, according to HDOH’s website), they urged him to make the same request that MDEC made.

Which both the HDOH and Kobach know is totally worthless. Because Kobach received Klayman’s letter on Sept 7th.


95 posted on 09/17/2012 11:25:49 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

“Which both the HDOH and Kobach know is totally worthless. Because Kobach received Klayman’s letter on Sept 7th.”

And who is the chief law enforcement officer in Kansas - the attorney general - who is one of the members of the board. Conveniently absent from today’s hearing.

Remember when Attorney General Holder was cited for contempt of Congress? The citation was sent to the DOJ for prosecution and there it was dropped.

Any compliant against the Board for perjury would be prosecuted through the State Attorney General’s Office. With the same results as what happened with the contempt of Congress citation.


96 posted on 09/17/2012 11:47:31 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: butterdezillion

What do you make of this,

“Kobach read a note from Hawaii that said Obama’s birth certificate is the real deal.”

http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/17/2492998/kansas-expects-to-end-challenge.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

So maybe he didn’t even get a verification.


97 posted on 09/17/2012 6:49:09 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: butterdezillion

In this clip Kobash says,

“...that the birth certificate on record with the state of Hawaii matches the birth certificate that is on the White House website, so I have no doubt.” Kansas SoS Kobach

http://www.ksnt.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=3759150

Which is the language from the MDEC verification.


98 posted on 09/17/2012 7:23:16 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

Sounds like he got the same garbage that MDEC got, although it may not have been certified. Probably not because a letter of verification has to be requested in written form and this was requested over the phone. So what they got is probably has even less legal value than what MDEC got - which had no legal/probative value because the same thing could have been said about a non-valid as a valid record.

The whole situation is so transparent. The lt governor was with patients? When did they schedule those patients for him? On Friday evening after the objector withdrew his objection? The lawyer of the bunch - the one who has received all the legal information regarding why the Certification of Nomination is perjurious - was sick? And the surrogates - the ones who will never bear the legal responsibility for what was done - were the ones pushing to just get the whole thing over. How convenient.

No matter how they try to slice it, the legal responsibility for accepting a known-perjurious Certification of Nomination constitutes election fraud, and being absent from a meeting doesn’t absolve either Schmidt or Kobach of the responsibility to not commit election fraud. Having surrogates at one meeting does not excuse election fraud, and putting Obama on the ballot when you know his Certification of Nomination is fraudulent is election fraud. Period.

Both Kobach and Schmidt have been given legal notice of the reasons that the legal presumption HAS to be that Onaka confirmed a legally non-valid birth record for Obama, and unless what they received specifically stated that the record is legally valid, they’ve got NOTHING to even refute that presumption of regularity. If they had a legal document from Onaka certifying that they have a legally-valid record which claims a Honolulu Aug 4, 1961 birth to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, then they’ve got at best 2 conflicting legal documents which calls into question the accuracy of EITHER.

There’s no way for Kobach and Schmidt to get out of the legal responsibility here. They are committing election fraud in accepting what is legally known to be a perjurious OCON, and the lawyer hiding behind a surrogate doesn’t change that fact - although it stinks to high heaven and strongly suggests that these guys know EXACTLY what is going on here, as does anybody who is informed beyond the pea-brained morons who read rags like the ones who claim Obama’s eligibility has already been proven when the legal facts are the exact opposite.


99 posted on 09/17/2012 7:43:02 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: 4Zoltan

Onaka never said to either Bennett or MDEC that the BC actually matched - only that the information contained in the record matched. If the BC actually matched, then Onaka should have verified what Bennett requested - verification that the WH BC is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”.

Using the “matches” language is a heckuva lot different than saying the WH BC is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file.” Methinks that what Kobach got is the same thing that MDEC got, but what Kobach is SAYING he got is something altogether different. So either he doesn’t recognize the difference (which means he either didn’t read what Klayman sent him, or else he has zero reading comprehension skills), or he’s trying to make it sound like he’s got something that he doesn’t. Either of which just plain stinks.

Both Schmidt and Kobach have been alerted to the word-parsing that’s been done all along by the HDOH and should have seen past this, unless they are being wilfully ignorant.

Seeing what they actually received will tell us a lot. That could be why it’s taking some time for that office to fulfill my request.


100 posted on 09/17/2012 7:51:10 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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