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Romney: 47 percent depend on government, will vote for Obama
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Posted on 09/17/2012 5:01:13 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Romney: 47 percent depend on government, will vote for Obama By Justin Sink - 09/17/12 06:16 PM ET

Mitt Romney, in candid remarks at a fundraising dinner caught in an undercover video, dismissed "47 percent" of Americans as "dependent upon government."

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney is shown saying. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, to you name it."

The GOP presidential nominee goes on to say his "job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

The video, uncovered by Mother Jones, is from a fundraising dinner earlier this summer. The magazine has said it is withholding the date and location of the fundraiser for the source who provided the video. The magazine posted only small, individual clips, and not Romney's remarks in their entirety.

The Obama campaign seized on Romney remarks in a statement emailed to reporters Monday night.

"It's shocking that a candidate for President of the United States would go behind closed doors and declare to a group of wealthy donors that half the American people view themselves as ‘victims,’ entitled to handouts, and are unwilling to take ‘personal responsibility’ for their lives," said Obama campaign manager Jim Messina. "It’s hard to serve as president for all Americans when you’ve disdainfully written off half the nation.”

Later Thursday afternoon, the Romney campaign issued a statement downplaying the remarks.

"Mitt Romney wants to help all Americans struggling in the Obama economy," said Romney communications director Gail Gitcho. "As the governor has made clear all year, he is concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps, nearly one in six Americans in poverty, and the 23 million Americans who are struggling to find work. Mitt Romney's plan creates 12 million new jobs in four years, grows the economy and moves Americans off of government dependency and into jobs."

But the video threatens to derail what had been an orchestrated reboot of Romney's presidential campaign, which came under fire last weekend from Republican allies frustrated by the nominee's strategy. Reports emerged of infighting and bickering among top Romney advisers, and some campaign allies said Romney needed to refocus his efforts on bringing out the base after failing to rally independent and swing voters.

In a conference call earlier Monday with reporters, campaign aides pledged that Romney would provide more specifics on his policies and programs on the campaign stump.

"We think voters now, from what we see in data and other research, are looking for — OK, if we're going to make this change, how is it going to make my life better, how are things going to improve?" said Romney adviser Ed Gillespie on a conference call with reporters. "We know that they know he has a plan, which is a good thing, but we also know they would like to know a little bit more about the specifics, and we're going to meet the demand."

To aid in that effort, the campaign released two new ads on Monday detailing Romney's five-point economic plan and criticizing Obama's record. Romney also made a major push for Hispanic voters Monday, speaking at the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Los Angeles and granting interviews to Univision and Telemundo.

But that push could be partially undermined by another of the covert clips, where Romney candidly discusses some of the problems encountered by his campaign, including trouble attracting female and Hispanic voters.

Romney jokes of his father, who was born in Mexico: "Had he been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot of winning this."

Later in the fundraising video, Romney admits that Republicans are having a difficult time attracting Hispanic voters — and there could be severe repercussions for the party.

"We are having a much harder time with Hispanic voters, and if the Hispanic voting bloc becomes as committed to the Democrats as the African-American voting block has in the past, why, we're in trouble as a party and, I think, as a nation," Romney said.

Romney also told donors the campaign was using his wife, Ann, "sparingly ... so that people don't get tired of her."

And he admits that the president remains popular with many voters, which makes attacking him difficult.

"But when you say, 'Are you disappointed that his policies haven't worked?' they say yes," Romney said. "And because they voted for him, they don't want to be told that they were wrong, that he's a bad guy, that he did bad things, that he's corrupt. Those people that we have to get, they want to believe they did the right thing, but he just wasn't up to the task."


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To: VanDeKoik
I think he is one of those sleeper cell Freepers (i.e. DU troll). I’ve already seen a few of them popup in the past hour.

ansel12 can be contrary...but he is definitely not a "troll".

51 posted on 09/17/2012 5:58:10 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: grobdriver
Fortunately those 47% are likely crammed together in major cities

Actually, they're not - depending on how you look at it. The 10 states with the highest % of those who CLAIM (note, CLAIM and FILE, not those who don't even file) are in ID, TX, AL, LA, AR, FL, GA, AL, NM and SC.

The 10 states with the lowest are more of a mixed dem/GOP voting bloc. Anyway, the point I have is that Mitt can say that, but without explaining what he's going to do about it for the good people of the deep south who vote Republican, often holding their noses, he's failing them.
52 posted on 09/17/2012 5:58:37 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: EGPWS

A lot of people on welfare seem to live a whole lot better than I do but I was raised frugal anyway.

The local farmer I buy vegetables from was telling me about how he spotted the “new welfare class”. He says they’re showing up at the farmer’s market which is unusual from the old welfare class who don’t worry about good deals. The old class buys crap with food stamps no matter what the cost.

The new welfare class are bargain shoppers who stretch the food stamps as far as they can. He said that he and some of the other sellers are giving double deals to the bargain shopping food stamp users. He said that they’re coming in to buy things like bushels of tomatoes for canning.


53 posted on 09/17/2012 6:00:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NoobRep
I believe this will ultimately end up being well received.

I feel the exact opposite. It sounded like an insult to me. We are all dependent on the gov't in some Way 9military, SS..)...but he just told America that if you are dependent on the gov't you shouldn't vote for me. Not a smart statement IMHO. I also think he just put the conservative talk show hosts in a quandry --they will spend a lot of time trying explain what he meant by that....

54 posted on 09/17/2012 6:00:35 PM PDT by Fawn (DEAR JESUS....PLEASE LET OBAMA LOSE.....AMEN.)
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To: okie01
"ansel12 can be contrary...but he is definitely not a "troll".

Well if he's not, he certainly is a moron

"Duuuur That 47% consists of retired Military people. How dare he! Duuuuur"

Yeah, that's what people are talking about when we speak of those mooching off the system.

A Freeper that stupid is no better than a DU troll.
55 posted on 09/17/2012 6:03:54 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: NoobRep
it’s red meat for the base

Errr, much of "the base" doesn't pay income tax and are part of that 47%. Retirees, for one. Many, many people in the deep south for another. It was a stupid, ignorant statement.
56 posted on 09/17/2012 6:04:22 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: ansel12; gotribe
I’m pretty sure the 47% figure means those collecting government checks..

Not necessarily. The statement is carefully worded. It's not referring to "people who are getting government checks", but to people "who will vote for the president" and/or "who are dependent on government" (which doesn't necessarily mean getting an entitlement check -- but includes government employees, etc.)

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney is shown saying. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government...

Further, by context, Romney is clearly excluding anybody who is without a sense of government dependency -- which would include most social security and military retirement recipients.

He is instead referring to a dependent mentality...

57 posted on 09/17/2012 6:05:05 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: cripplecreek

Well I hope his solution is to open up the economy so that businesses create jobs.........and then cut their azzes off. I am not holding my breath though.


58 posted on 09/17/2012 6:06:29 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Fawn

“I feel the exact opposite. It sounded like an insult to me. We are all dependent on the gov’t in some Way 9military, SS..)...but he just told America that if you are dependent on the gov’t you shouldn’t vote for me.”

Words fail me how stupid this sounds.

YOU think that the discussion we have had here for YEARS about the number of people mooching off the government actually involved people in the military and people collecting SS money they paid?!?!?!

I know that several posters are trying to float this line of bull, so you will have to excuse me if I dont buy it.

If you aren’t just running some spin job troll BS, then you really need to stop and think.

Romney didn’t lump you in with welfare losers, you did.


59 posted on 09/17/2012 6:09:14 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

Look, a moron is a troll that posts behind freeper’s backs, and sets out to personalize things and post pure insults.

Man up, post to ME, and make your case like an adult.

The 47% of Americans collecting government checks, who do you think they are, you don’t realize that it includes almost everyone over age 65?

Grow up and try to force yourself to read some of the posts on this thread.


60 posted on 09/17/2012 6:12:52 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Sub-Driver

The Left has been trying to transform sloth and stupidity into a virtue for the past 80 years through the media and education system, and now we may be past the point of no return.
This is exactly what 0bama meant by the transformation of society.
America usually means three things to people: the place, the people, and the idea. The idea, limited Constitutional government and capitalism, is being destroyed by the people led by a despot and ideologue. America will become a horrible place not just because of 0bama, but primarily because of its people. If 0bama is re-elected, it will confirm that its people, in the aggregate, have become the enemies of freedom. As a wealthy German Jew and large department store owner lamented in the 1930s before emigrating to Palestine, to paraphrase, “Germany and the German people have now become my enemies, and I am ashamed to have considered myself a German.”


61 posted on 09/17/2012 6:13:39 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: VanDeKoik; Fawn
YOU think that the discussion we have had here for YEARS about the number of people mooching off the government actually involved people in the military and people collecting SS money they paid?!?!?!

That was the gaffe, he did not remove them from the 47%, he included them, Mitt made a huge mistake.

62 posted on 09/17/2012 6:15:30 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Retirees who paid in expect to get a return. I pay in and I expect to see it when I retire and that my dear is not mooching. So don’t include them in the gimme class.


63 posted on 09/17/2012 6:16:02 PM PDT by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: VanDeKoik

You are missing the point.

Romney didn’t say, “I’m talking about what FReepers have been rightly railing about for years and years,” he said, “47% depend on the government and are a lost voting cause” to a roomful of millionaires. That’s not going to play well over the next 7 weeks.

The figure 47% is made up of those retirees and military people and whatnot. It’s made up of lots and lots of people who are hard working conservative families who simply don’t make enough to pay income tax. THAT’S why it’s a stupid statement.

Do you think 47% of people in this country collect welfare or something?


64 posted on 09/17/2012 6:16:02 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: Sub-Driver

What am I supposed to do with this? Rule number 17. You never write off a single vote. Let me see 47% pay no taxes, 50% of the top 10% (5%)who do pay taxes are die-hard liberals. Somewhere in there we have over 10 million union members who do pay taxes. 47 and 5 and say 4 is 56%. This is insane but you never know. Maybe the 53% will figure it out.


65 posted on 09/17/2012 6:19:33 PM PDT by Dave Mellon
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To: Steelfish

Well, I’m currently a state employee, was previously a civilian Federal employee (the VA) and I was and still am not for Obumma. I cried when he was elected because I felt the beginning of the end as we know it was near. I read the article released on Bloomberg and the first thing I picked up was Romney didn’t say anything about the low and middle-class being under taxed, he said there are 47% of people who do not pay tax. The comments in the article to me were cherry-picked as much as I can tell.


66 posted on 09/17/2012 6:19:47 PM PDT by Bride Of Old Sarge (I'm sweet and innocent...just ask my birds...and my cats....and my dog....just don't ask my kids....)
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To: justlurking

I listened to the audio. Please add the context that will clear this up because I must have missed it.


67 posted on 09/17/2012 6:20:06 PM PDT by Dave Mellon
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To: SoFloFreeper

You are right and that is why this news item will hurt unless Romney does something truly magical—like offer us some long overdue vision of an economic miracle that will change the numbers. Something Reaganesque.


68 posted on 09/17/2012 6:20:17 PM PDT by Dave Mellon
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To: VanDeKoik

Drudge headline says “Romney gets real:”

Real what?


69 posted on 09/17/2012 6:20:23 PM PDT by Dave Mellon
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To: linn37

My dear, I am the one under siege for defending your view, not attacking it.


70 posted on 09/17/2012 6:21:01 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: VanDeKoik
You know that the news media will spin this way out of control. That is my concern. The timing could not be much worse. Instead of the headlines focusing in on the world turning against Obama it will now focus on Romney.

Romney needs a response that works. Something that the media cannot spin.

71 posted on 09/17/2012 6:21:34 PM PDT by Dave Mellon
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To: Dave Mellon

Actually saying what most people have for years, and haven’t heard a candidate say it in decades.


72 posted on 09/17/2012 6:22:28 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

One more thing that I see is now happening online and soon to be on TV (Just read this comment on local site):

“Someone tell Romney about the FICA, sales, gas, and local taxes EVERYONE pays. I know Mitt doesn’t know much about tax returns.”

Har har. It pains me to say it, but this is a meme that will be hard to deflect going forward. The ol’ “out of touch” thing. Again.


73 posted on 09/17/2012 6:25:45 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: databoss

What?


74 posted on 09/17/2012 6:26:30 PM PDT by DWC (historian)
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To: whattajoke

Military retireess do not depend on government. It’s the other way around.

One doesn’t spend 20 plus years in the military with government depending on them and come out with a sense of neediness.

If they don’t work, it’s because they can’t, not because they choose to take from taxpayers.

And they are not looking for handouts nor to sell their votes to Obama.

Mitt surely takes this into account, and does not include them.

Mitt’s talking about people whose votes are for sale to those who will give them stuff and who don’t care about the health or the future of the country and who wouldn’t understand austerity if they were overrun.

the military retirees are on the opposite end of that spectrum if they are even in the same universe.


75 posted on 09/17/2012 6:31:44 PM PDT by stanne
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To: NoobRep

He should follow up by saying that if they do continue to vote for BO and dems, then their freebies will run out in a very short time because the dead economy can’t support their free ride so they better think about that before they pull the lever for BO.


76 posted on 09/17/2012 6:32:45 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Sub-Driver

The posts to this thread have assured me the end is near for the USA. Half of you clearly do not see the unsustainability of out of control government spending. I feel like I might as well pack it in for the future of this nation.


77 posted on 09/17/2012 6:35:07 PM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: dandiegirl

There ya go.

he’ll need to get used to the media spin real quick, expecially if he gets in.

He’ll have to learn to ignore them “I can’t hear you!” for a start, then find hos own niche.

They’re going to hate him worse than they did Bush. He’ll need to realize we don’t care hwo he is spun.


78 posted on 09/17/2012 6:38:21 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

I know how to spell especially.


79 posted on 09/17/2012 6:39:11 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.

But that doesn’t matter.


80 posted on 09/17/2012 6:39:31 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: whattajoke

Please.

I’m actually going to assume people in the military are smarter than you make them out to be.

However, If any military retiree or currently serving member actually thinks Romney is talking about you then you are a complete and utter fool.

If you feel like he is, go vote for Obama and protect your supposed “welfare”. If you see yourself as no different than someone with 8 kids with 6 different dads or someone on “disabilities” because they have stress issues then by all means out yourself so we can get a good look at you.

He didn’t say you were, but if you think he is then OWN it. Proudly proclaim it! Dont lay this faux offended BS trying to get a meme going like you’ve lost your mind.


81 posted on 09/17/2012 6:40:35 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: okie01

Nice spin, but this is a negative and a real gaffe, and pretty darn insulting, or as National Review says “”Ultimately Romney’s division of the electorate has an odd Marxist twang to it, as if those dependent on government are simply voting their naked economic self-interest.””


82 posted on 09/17/2012 6:41:21 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: whattajoke

Yeah, it does, because the mainstream media is less powerful than imagined.


83 posted on 09/17/2012 6:41:56 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Oh, and because military retirees do not “depend on govt.”, they are the most self reliant people. So please get off it.


84 posted on 09/17/2012 6:45:41 PM PDT by stanne
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To: whattajoke

This was meant for you:

Oh, and because military retirees do not “depend on govt.”, they are the most self reliant people. So please get off it.


85 posted on 09/17/2012 6:46:49 PM PDT by stanne
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To: cripplecreek

The 47% bitterly clinging to their welfare checks and free birth control pills will vote for the guy who accused those of bitterly clinging to their guns and religion of voting for Republicans.


86 posted on 09/17/2012 6:47:17 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s easy to see why a guy at his level with all the drivel and propaganda being injected into the voter by MSM (mainlining socialist media) could throw up his hands in frustration and make a statement like that.

There are millions of US on fixed incomes who were getting along or at least getting by on those incomes until this fascist Obama came along and began first tinkering then intruding and rearranging the established systems and methods of food and energy distribution we relied upon to keep US going. Issuing costly regulations, prohibitions,designed to change those systems to conform to a given concept known as socialism .

The people hurt the worst in such as system are the people on the bottom. What Romney better realize, address and above all understand and explain is that such policies create dependency not free it.

Because


87 posted on 09/17/2012 6:47:53 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: VanDeKoik

Alright. I’ll try to remember to revisit these comments in a week to see how we’re doing. You may be right - and I hope you are. We’ll wait and see.

But again, I still think you are missing the point. You are implying, as did Mitt, that 47% of our nation is on welfare and has 8 bastard children and fake disabilities.

We all agree those people exist. In droves. but they do not make up 47% of the country - let alone the electorate. Hell, those people don’t even vote.


88 posted on 09/17/2012 6:48:10 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Which part of his statement was incorrect?

I must have missed it.


89 posted on 09/17/2012 6:49:02 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Sub-Driver

“they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

And here it comes, Extortion-Care all along.

Notice how HillaryRomney carefully slipped the word “care” in there. Like in FORCING a fine on individuals if they refuse to succumb to fascist forced purchase of so called “insurance.”

Like in trying to use the above propaganda speak, in attempt to confuse the care of a healthy body vs. taking care of a so called “insurance company balance sheets”?


90 posted on 09/17/2012 6:49:43 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: ansel12
Well, it so happens I disagree with National Review on this point.

And, I'll wager, you've disagreed with National Review a time-or-two yourself...

91 posted on 09/17/2012 7:04:41 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I think he should not have said it in the way that he has. It is a generalization for everyone in that %; which some are not government blood suckers; who may become offended or frightful of losing a benefit. It was a big gaffe. People are so emotional these days; one little off comment can send people into orbit. I think this gives the (crazy) media more material to make this image of Romney that they want out there.


92 posted on 09/17/2012 7:05:13 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Stick a fork in Romney, he is done son...and I am the furthest thing from a DUmmy there can be...Romney fought against his own party harder than he is fighting against Obama...does that make sense to you?


93 posted on 09/17/2012 7:05:30 PM PDT by databoss
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To: LS

Considering poll after poll show people dont want government in their lives and think there is too much, this is going to backfire on them. ABC news radio now running this every break they have.


94 posted on 09/17/2012 7:12:17 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: cripplecreek
So what’s his solution?

Well, since you asked...(from his website)

Mitt Romney will rebuild the foundations of the American economy on the principles of free enterprise, hard work, and innovation. His plan seeks to reduce taxes, spending, regulation, and government programs. It seeks to increase trade, energy production, human capital, and labor flexibility. It relinquishes power to the states instead of claiming to have the solution to every problem.

Creating millions of jobs, and getting folks off of the government dole and becoming self reliant again, is just one of his solutions.

95 posted on 09/17/2012 7:12:20 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Jane Long

So basically the same as virtually every republican has ever promised and failed to deliver.


96 posted on 09/17/2012 7:14:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: justlurking

Obama has never gone above 47% in a long, long time. Romney said nothing wrong.


97 posted on 09/17/2012 7:17:22 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: databoss

“Stick a fork in Romney, he is done son...and I am the furthest thing from a DUmmy there can be...Romney fought against his own party harder than he is fighting against Obama...does that make sense to you?”

Translation:

He beat my guy in the primaries so I’m all too happy to piggyback on the left-wing media to try to defeat him to teach him a lesson.


98 posted on 09/17/2012 7:22:21 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: ansel12

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.”

“[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

I could be missing something, but I’m not seeing this as a disaster or anything. The media will try to rip him no matter what he says, but...

IF you’re an unmovable Obama voter, and you’re insulted by Romney’s remark, it doesn’t matter. Because you were never going to vote for him anyway (much of my family are these people, sadly). Could it up Obama’s base turnout? Meh. - don’t think so.

But if you’re a “gettable” independent who either has a job or desperately wants one, you’re just going to assume Romney isn’t talking about you. The 47% is someone else.

Not sure why an undecided would use this statement to orient them in such a fashion to be more likely to vote for Obama. If you have a scintilla of self-reliance and think the government is too intrusive (a majority still think so), why vote for Obama and deliberately align yourself with those other guys who are voting to keep the DC gravy train rolling? If you work for a living (or WANT to) you vote for Romney to show that you’re still one of those people that wants less government, not more. Why, out of spite, would you vote for Obama and align yourself with the people Romney’s talking about?

It’s almost like it’s a reverse psychology thing. “Prove you’re not a leech and vote Republican.”

Again, the average undecided voter will NEVER think Romney is talking about them when they think of the 47% in their heads. It’s always some other guy.


99 posted on 09/17/2012 7:24:04 PM PDT by Kingosaurus
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To: okie01

Even that NO piece was to defend him, and to say that they don’t think that this gaffe will be too serious, but they do concede that it was not good.


100 posted on 09/17/2012 7:26:09 PM PDT by ansel12
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