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To: muawiyah

You’re wrong.... there is a large faction of people that DO NOT want to work... I know some.... the fake on the job injury to and find some worthless doctor to declare them disabled... we might have the largest workforce ever, but not productive....


69 posted on 09/18/2012 4:56:00 PM PDT by Heff (Half this country is that stupid.)
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To: Heff
i know a good number of people who investigate fraudulent workman's comps cases ~ that's still a very small number of people ~

If you know some of these folks just send me a brief on them via FREEPMAIL and I'll get the info over to the folks who can do something about it.

Nothing I like better than busting crooks

70 posted on 09/18/2012 5:01:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Heff

Of course there are freeloaders, and lots of them. But you have to have enough for them all to go to, long term prospects, jobs that reflect the skills people already have, and available training for those who need to learn new skills, and affordable housing...

Besides, not everyone who turns down work does it because they’re bone idle. I just turned down a six figure contract in Turban Land. My current job is much more difficult than the one I was offered, but there’s no sand involved, I’m less likely to be shot at here, and I get sunburnt very easily.

Bad example? Here’s a better one.

I’ve just moved out of a mining village where we have lots of jobs in the IT sector, precision engineering and so on - but there are 400 people in the village who were miners until the pit closed of whom 300 are still looking for permanent work.

While they were all looking for work, the Coal Board sold its entire local housing stock to a private landlord. This is a guy who’ll serve eviction notices if people don’t clear rent arrears within 8 weeks. Bit of a problem given ALL his tenants were already out of work when he phoned in the highest bid on the auction day...

The government were a bit worried about potentially seeing 400 families being turfed onto the street within 3 months but they had a solution: “we’ll cover your rent while you look for work”.

The landlord, being a savvy individual, trebled the rents overnight. Then he thought he wasn’t being anywhere near ambitious enough, so he doubled that figure.

So the state ended up paying 6x the original rent they used to charge, for the same tenant to stay in the same property. (Who said the private sector drives down costs?!) Fifteen years later, in many cases, they’re still paying it.

So imagine a married tenant with two children in this situation is offered a £1000/month job doing seasonal strawberry picking, 12 weeks guaranteed.

He’s taxed and pays insurance on that, so he actually takes home only £750. Out of which he now has to pay market rate - £600 per calendar month - in rent. He has to pay for all his own transport now, so call it £100 a month to buy a car he previously didn’t need. £50 a month for utility bills... Hang on. He now has £0.00 to feed his family for a month, with the average grocery bill being £75 a week. And no guarantee he can afford the rent in Month 2.

Then add to the equation the realisation that their entire family could be facing eviction due to rent arrears before the contract even finishes, but if another job cannot be found after the seasonal work ends then they’re all going to be starving as well as homeless within 3 months.

What kind of pride-obsessed idiot would you have to be to throw away the security blanket offered by the state in that situation, especially if you knew that there were 299 people with exactly the same qualifications, skills and experience as you, living in the same village as you, chasing the same fifty or so jobs as you?!

This is why we need to get back to creating industries that will employ lots of people (skilled and unskilled) for generations to come AND pay all a living wage, so entire communities can share the rewards of business success. That’s the only way to combat long term unemployment and break down the institutionalized dependency.

And, we must stop demonizing everyone who doesn’t work before asking ourselves what we’d do in their shoes, as opposed to making dumb assumptions like, they’re just bone idle / there are probably loads of good jobs falling out of trees where they live / they can borrow $1000s and retrain when they’ve got no income / they can afford to relocate even though they’re penniless / their families will be quite happy to live in the backseat of a second hand car while they keep their pride by doing a zero hours job which doesn’t bring home enough to pay the rent...


73 posted on 09/19/2012 4:59:46 AM PDT by MalPearce
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