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Here Are The 47% Of The Population Who Don't Pay Federal Income Tax (See Chart)
Business Insider ^ | 09/18/2012 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 09/18/2012 6:42:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Mitt Romney's latest campaign setback is a leaked video that shows him slagging the 47 percent of the population who, he says, will always vote for Barack Obama, because they want everything for free from the government.

The 47 percent number presumably refers to the percent of the population who don't pay Federal Income Taxes, which of course is just one kind of tax.

From the Tax Policy Center, these three pie charts show who those people are.

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Kevin Roose at NYMag puts the data into words:

But back to the 47 percent. There are two primary ways to pay no (or negative) federal income taxes. The first is to be poor, and the second is to be elderly. In 2011, of the 18.1 percent of American households who paid no federal tax (meaning, no federal income or payroll tax), more than half were elderly, and most of the other half were non-elderly people making below $20,000 a year. The other sliver, roughly one in 20 non-payers, were people who made more than $20,000 in household income.

The reason being poor helps is because, with a combination of tax credits (like the earned income credit and the child credit) and deductions, many people earning under $20,000 a year can zero out their overall rate. The primary reason being elderly helps is that Social Security benefits aren't taxed as income, so if all (or most) of your income comes from your monthly Social Security check, your taxable income is marginal or non-existent.

So there you have it. The poor and elderly.


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1 posted on 09/18/2012 6:42:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Mitt Romney’s latest campaign setback”

Sort of like his Libya “gaffe”


2 posted on 09/18/2012 6:43:31 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d like to “slag” the 47% too. How does one go about “slagging” somebody?


3 posted on 09/18/2012 6:46:25 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: ConservativeDude

He talked about the elephant in the room and I am glad he did because people always tell me thats why Mitt can’t win excatly what Mitt said word for word


4 posted on 09/18/2012 6:47:17 AM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: SeekAndFind
Now show the graph with the earned income tax credit included to see whether the total net federal tax (income tax + payroll tax - EITC) is zero or negative. That would chew into the 28% who don't pay income tax but do pay a payroll tax.
5 posted on 09/18/2012 6:49:12 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I may get blasted (nothing new :-)), but I know we are the party of lowered taxes, but we are not the party of no taxes. I think everyone should pay SOMETHING even if 5 bucks. It is sickening to me that 47 percent of the population are muchers.


6 posted on 09/18/2012 6:49:13 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This article is wrong. We live on Social Security and our SS is taxed as income.........thanks to Bill Clinton. Every April we write a check to the IRS.


7 posted on 09/18/2012 6:49:28 AM PDT by agondonter
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To: ConservativeDude
Amazing; not; to watch Press piranha at work. Definitely disgusting to behold, however.

Was listening to Laura Ingram; she mentioned (credit to her Mother) the old adage of 'too many people in the wagon; and not enough to pull it.'

Romney only has to say; he is appealing to and 'for' more wagon pullers; because America needs them desperately.

Mitt needs only to put this in a context that the Left cannot deride - without making themselves look stupid, that is.

8 posted on 09/18/2012 6:49:51 AM PDT by cricket
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To: ConservativeDude
Amazing; not; to watch Press piranha at work. Definitely disgusting to behold, however.

Was listening to Laura Ingram; she mentioned (credit to her Mother) the old adage of 'too many people in the wagon; and not enough to pull it.'

Romney only has to say; he is appealing to and 'for' more wagon pullers; because America needs them desperately.

Mitt needs only to put this in a context that the Left cannot deride - without making themselves look stupid, that is.

9 posted on 09/18/2012 6:50:23 AM PDT by cricket
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To: SeekAndFind
And many of those "poor" make a racket out of it.

Earned Income Tax Credit for instance. Not a bad refund considering what they "didn't" pay.

EITC Guidlines

10 posted on 09/18/2012 6:50:50 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: SeekAndFind

But they pay payroll taxes, they pay payroll taxes scream the media. Well don’t payroll taxes go to individual benefits like social security and medicare? They certainly don’t pay for the defense or general welfare of the nation.


11 posted on 09/18/2012 6:51:45 AM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Setback?

It makes me even MORE enthusiastic to vote for him.

I was not sure he was aware of these things, but I am glad to know he is.

So let me see if I have it straight MSM- Obama is the CAUSE of 47% of the people needing to be dependant on the government, but Romney makes a ‘gaffe’ by MENTIONING IT...???

Ok...


12 posted on 09/18/2012 6:53:20 AM PDT by Mr. K (Reagan: “Washington is where good ideas go to die.”)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a case of watching the pea. Payroll taxes are essentially a forced saving program - everyone gets a % of their payments back, in some case the % is more than 100%. So the bottom line is that there remains a large % of folks who do not contribute via income taxes.
That said, I would have cautioned Romney from using this approach. Just ask Maggie Thatcher. Her poll tax, which is the natural implication of this line of argument, was an easy way to rally the disgruntled and demoralize the rest. Romney should avoid handing sticks to his opponents unless he is willing to follow through and go toe to toe with them. I certainly hope he has an answer when Barry throws this back at him in the debates.


13 posted on 09/18/2012 6:55:14 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Everybody pays for regulations, costs of compliance, etc.

Those on food stamps would get more stuff if prices weren’t inflated by subsidies, tort lawsuits, environmental policies, etc.


14 posted on 09/18/2012 6:56:15 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: KarlInOhio

When we’re talking about a payroll tax, aren’t we really talking about social security, medicare, and state disability insurance?

We all know they’re going to get back every cent they pay in normal payroll taxes, plus the earned income credit you mentioned.

I’m sick and tired of the Left acting as if these people are taxed unfairly. Bull s—t!


15 posted on 09/18/2012 6:56:41 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama, our first Mulligan Pres__ent Resident.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reading the comments after the article, some clown wanted to know from one of the other respondents if he would be happy if they (the gov) were to tax SS (benefits I assume). Uh, they (SS admin) hold out taxes on every check I get. I did this so I wouldn’t need/be required to file every quarter. I don’t want to file every year and surely don’t want to deal with these clowns every three months.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


16 posted on 09/18/2012 6:57:08 AM PDT by rktman
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To: SeekAndFind

Are people who pay payroll tax but not income tax going to think Romney was talking about them? Maybe not. And if not why would Romney’s statement bother them? This is just another distraction attempt by the LSM (imo).


17 posted on 09/18/2012 6:57:20 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: napscoordinator

Obozo is fond of saying that everyone should ‘have some skin in the game.’

There should be a law that if you don’t pay income taxes, you can’t vote...........


18 posted on 09/18/2012 6:57:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: Mr. K

RE: Obama is the CAUSE of 47% of the people needing to be dependant on the government,

Actually, the Dems are the CAUSE of more people being dependent on government. They in fact want to create policies to make sure that the 47% increase to greater than 50% so that they will have a majority of this constituency in perpetuity.


19 posted on 09/18/2012 7:00:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind

NOt all are slackers..


20 posted on 09/18/2012 7:01:03 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Red Badger

There should be a law that if you don’t pay income taxes, you can’t vote...........

I could go with that. What about charging 50 bucks to vote. I mean we pay for everything else what about the priviledge to vote. We would get rid of most of the liberals if we charged to vote.


21 posted on 09/18/2012 7:01:05 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: napscoordinator
It is sickening to me that 47 percent of the population are muchers.

That is why Obama has 47% of the vote at this point. That means he only has to get 3.1% more to vote for him and he wins 50.1% to 49.9%. That's not bad when you go into an election knowing that you have 47% of the vote in the bag and all you have to do is say the other side will take your free ride away and you have that 47% in the bag and don't ever have to worry about them again.

22 posted on 09/18/2012 7:01:19 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Scriptures clearly tell us we are in the last days, the end times. Christ is the only answer!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Government spending on 'entitlements'. ↑


Total tax revenues collected by the IRS in 2011: $2,332,754 million and falling...


We are at that point where entitlement spending is about equal to total tax revenues - the problem is, that tax revenues are falling, while entitlement spending is rising.

There is no way to pay down the debt or pay for any other programs without debasing the currency now.

23 posted on 09/18/2012 7:02:38 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: cricket
Correct. I have a few wagon riders, so to speak, in my extended family, including my elderly mother, who worked hard all her life, saved and paid taxes to earn that privilege.

She and others in the group have the sense to vote against the party of maximizing gimmees because she understands that too many wagon riders, especially those capable of pulling, will only hasten the day when TSHTF.

24 posted on 09/18/2012 7:03:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...

I think this article has useful info,
Except once again SS and Medicare taxes are called ‘payroll taxes’ as if those funds government operations like military, roads, education, etc. food stamps, sect 8, endless. They dont even cover those entitlements anymore as both are running huge deficits.
Yet they never come out and specifically say that those entitlements are unrelated to those taxes, or should be since thats what they imply.


25 posted on 09/18/2012 7:03:58 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: SeekAndFind

What did Romney do?He told THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


26 posted on 09/18/2012 7:04:41 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: SeekAndFind

Hindsight being 20-20 I can identify exactly 3 mistakes that The Gipper made during his time in office.

1) Appointing Sandy Day “Affirmative Action should be fine for...oh, let’s say, another 26 1/2 years” O’Connor to SCOTUS

2) Pulling the Marines out of Lebanon and turning tail after the truck bomb.

3) Taking “low income” people “off the tax rolls”.

There were plenty of people at the time counseling him against #3.


27 posted on 09/18/2012 7:05:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: napscoordinator

Poll Taxes are unconstitutional.......


28 posted on 09/18/2012 7:05:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: SeekAndFind

And how many of those paid the “payroll tax” got it back (and more!) as “Earned Income Tax Credit,” eh?


29 posted on 09/18/2012 7:06:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Red Badger

Poll Taxes are unconstitutional.......

Rats...lol.


30 posted on 09/18/2012 7:07:32 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The press is howling because they know Romney is right. There’s no other way to slice that pie. The bottom half of the population pay little or nothing in income taxes. That’s the reality. The liberal media is always hollering about wanting the “rich” to pay more income taxes. The top 50% already pay almost 100%. The top 1% pay close to 40% of all income taxes, the top 5% pay about 60%, and the top 10% pay about 70%. It would be hysterical if it weren’t so tragic.


31 posted on 09/18/2012 7:07:52 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: napscoordinator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_%28United_States%29


32 posted on 09/18/2012 7:07:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: Red Badger

well, all I know is that my spouse and I are damned tired.

We have SLOGGED it, up every a.m. at 5:00, not coming home until past 6 or 7 for over 25 YEARS. We slogged to get our educations, to stay married, to do all the right things ...

I don’t care if they’re “poor.” For the past 30-40 years in this nation, EVERYONE has had access to public education. We are BOTH products of public education ...and we made it.

I worked my way through college. My husband joined the military and worked his tail off.

Last time I looked, these opportunites are available to EVERYONE.

Most are “poor” because they goof off in school, drop out, have to take low paying jobs, or refuse to do the menial work and decided to sit back and take welfare and live off the streets. It’s accepted in many of their cultures to do so and just STAY that way. I call PURE bullsh*t on all of this business.

Romney is RIGHT — and I hope he comes out hitting harder and harder on this. Hardworking americans are SICK of doing all the work, taking ALL the responsibility. We only get to enjoy bits and pieces of life in between work and sleep. These other clowns spend their days in front of the TV and at the slots, or sittin’ on the front stoop, smokin’ and jokin’ with noooooo worries. They all need to hear the STAY married lecture as well.

Really tired of it.


33 posted on 09/18/2012 7:08:15 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: napscoordinator
"It is sickening to me that 47 percent of the population are muchers."

I know a retiree who owns about $3,000,000 in tax exempt municipal bonds which he purchased with after tax dollars. He also receives Social Security retirement benefits which he contributed to for over 40 years.

So he is part of that 10.3% that pays no income or payroll tax.

I wouldn't begrudge him that, even if he weren't me.

P.S - He does pay a wide array of sales taxes, excise taxes, gas taxes, property taxes and an assortment of taxes the goverments like to call "fees".

PLUS - if Øbama has his way, he will pay a large portion of his wealth in Death Taxes.

34 posted on 09/18/2012 7:09:27 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: driftless2

RE: The top 50% already pay almost 100%. The top 1% pay close to 40% of all income taxes, the top 5% pay about 60%, and the top 10% pay about 70%. It would be hysterical if it weren’t so tragic.

They want the rich to pay their “Fair Share”. What exactly is “FAIR”? They never define it.


35 posted on 09/18/2012 7:09:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: napscoordinator

I agree with you. Everyone needs some skin in the game.


36 posted on 09/18/2012 7:10:10 AM PDT by super7man
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To: Positive

There will ALWAYS be true patriots that don’t pay taxes (but the percentage is pretty small). The problem is the vast majority of these “don’t pay taxes” types all vote Democrat because raising taxes don’t hurt them at all.


37 posted on 09/18/2012 7:12:51 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Those that pay payroll but no income also get a check that they never paid in the form of EITC, which can be a few thousand, which offsets any payroll tax they paid.

“Earned Income Tax Credit” was a vote buyoff of the poor created in 1975. Today, the credit can be $3,094 for the first child. $3,094 offsets a lot of payroll tax.


38 posted on 09/18/2012 7:13:01 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: SeekAndFind

39 posted on 09/18/2012 7:16:04 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Little Ray
This was from CNN Money - 2011.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/index.htm

They do address payroll taxes, which are largely social security and medicare. These, in my view, are not really relevant to the argument at hand - given that it is federal income tax that is at the center of the current political debate.

I'm sure that the truth is much more complex than can be appreciated from a superficial examination of the data, and that this can be spun many ways depending upon what one’s political position is.

40 posted on 09/18/2012 7:16:14 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Mr. K

Totall agree with you...the truth only hurts if you’re a libtard.


41 posted on 09/18/2012 7:16:14 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (One way to make sure crime doesn't pay would be to let the government run it. Ronald Reagan)
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To: napscoordinator

The whole argument for the income tax when it was introduced was that it would only be paid by the very wealthy. And, of course, people do pay taxes via payroll, gas, etc..

Campaigning to raise the income tax on the working poor is really not a very good strategy.


42 posted on 09/18/2012 7:16:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

This is supposedly a “gotcha” expose of the Republican claim about who pays income taxes. Which completely avoids the assertion the Dems have been bellering about that the rich don’t pay their fair share of taxes. So the clown who wrote this article pulls a sleight-of-hand and says that because many of the 47& are poor and elderly, and the rest are paying payroll taxes, the Republican argument is invalid. That’s not the crux of the problem. The problem is the people who are already paying close to 100% of the federal income tax burden are being accused by Dems of not paying enough. If close to 100% is not enough, how much is enough?


43 posted on 09/18/2012 7:17:02 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: SeekAndFind

I am a 28% no federal tax but i am paying payroll taxes. I am proud of that, but wish I was a 53.6%

Who wants to be 18.4% unless they have no draw from the government.

What if as we get older we push to be self dependent wealthy. Nothing we do would cause the gov to pull taxes on us. Only those working would pay for what gov is doing that day. We are spending our weath fon those making thier money.

What if I was out of work and was not making a payroll tax. I would not need Gov to fund my life. I would think there would be charities I could goto to get the help my family needs. I would be dependent on my local charities that my community supports. I would strive to be the one helping the charities. Giving back to those that need is awesome.

What is wrong with the discussion? Why cant we look at what the Gov is and make it right. I dont need a Fed gov when I could have local Charities!!!!!!!


44 posted on 09/18/2012 7:17:21 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: sickoflibs

Exactly: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2932746/posts?page=15#15


45 posted on 09/18/2012 7:18:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: CodeToad

A point that WILL be overlooked by the MSM.

the part that pays payroll tax but not income tax are at least in part coverd by the EITC

“EITC, the Earned Income Tax Credit, sometimes called EIC is a tax credit to help you keep more of what you earned. It is a refundable federal income tax credit for low to moderate income working individuals and families. Congress originally approved the tax credit legislation in 1975 in part to offset the burden of social security taxes and to provide an incentive to work. When EITC exceeds the amount of taxes owed, it results in a tax refund to those who claim and qualify for the credit.”

www.irs.gov/Individuals/EITC-Home-Page—It’s-easier-than-ever-to-find-out-if-you-qualify-for-EITC

Which refunds part or in some cases more than the amout payed as payroll taxes. But why quibble about facts.


46 posted on 09/18/2012 7:19:52 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Kenny

EITC is a grievous mistake, Advanced EITC adds insult to injury...in case no one knows, Advanced EITC is where a mooch with a job and a paycheck gets EITC each year, he/she can apply for “Advanced” EITC where the EMPLOYER has to dole out the expected annual payment adjust over each paycheck. The insult? The employer has to foot the cost of this until he files his own taxes each year. DISGUSTING


47 posted on 09/18/2012 7:21:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s my pet peeve, dishonesty.


48 posted on 09/18/2012 7:22:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: SeekAndFind

PAYROLL TAX is NOT an INCOME TAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m so damned tired of people trying to make out like it is. They are the REQUIRED contributions to Social Security and Medicare - NOT FEDERAL TAXES. So the author’s premise it is just the ‘poor and elderly’ is bullshit.


49 posted on 09/18/2012 7:23:22 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Vigilanteman
. . .because she understands that too many wagon riders, especially those capable of pulling, will only hasten the day when TSHTF.

Indeed;versus those who believe in 'Obama money'. . .forever.

50 posted on 09/18/2012 7:25:16 AM PDT by cricket
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