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Can 'Innocence of Muslims' Trailer Really be that Potent?
Townhall.com ^ | September 19, 2012 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 09/19/2012 4:31:40 AM PDT by Kaslin

The Obama administration's omnibus answer to why the Middle East (and now much of the Muslim world) is in near open rebellion against the United States: The video did it.

The follow-up question no one seems to be asking is: "What if the administration's explanation is true?"

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney insists the attacks in Egypt, Libya and elsewhere were a "response not to United States policy, and not to, obviously, the administration, not to the American people," but were rather a spontaneous "response to a video, a film we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting."

On the Sunday shows, Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, reaffirmed the claim that this was all about a YouTube trailer.

What about the fact that many experts say the Benghazi, Libya, attacks looked like a sophisticated, coordinated assault with rocket-propelled grenades? Meaningless. It was the video. Even the president of Libya said, "The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous." Who cares? It was the video.

Al-Qaeda is taking credit for the Benghazi assault as revenge for the June killing of al-Qaeda's No. 2 man, Abu Yahya al-Libi. What's your point? It was the video.

Reports that the U.S was given a three-day advance warning by the Libyans of a possible attack? Video, video, video.

Now, I think this is absurd, like a Monty Python sketch gone awry -- the parrot's not dead, he's just resting! But let's assume it's true and it really is all about the video.

How on earth is that better?

According to the Obama administration, its policies in the Middle East are working. The Cairo speech, the tougher line with Israel, the withdrawals from Iraq and pending drawdown in Afghanistan, Obama's coolness to Iran's failed Green Revolution: These have all been part of the successful effort to repair the damage done by the previous administration. Yet all of that hard work can go up in smoke if some crackpot says something mean about the prophet Muhammad on YouTube?

Progress that flimsy strikes me as no progress at all.

It is simply a fact that Islamist radicals, the Arab street and the Muslim world have been angry at America for decades, under Republican and Democratic administrations alike. It's also true that demagogues and other opportunists have used things like this video as an excuse to attack America and the West for generations. Obama isn't solely to blame for the current conflagrations, though his naivete about the transformational power of his presidency deserves ample scorn.

And let's not pretend that President George W. Bush wasn't naive as well. His hope that love of democracy lurked just beneath the surface in the Middle East has proved at minimum more complicated, bloody and expensive in practice than in theory. But at least you could tell what Bush was for in the Middle East: freedom.

With Obama it's not so easy. Apparently you can't say Obama apologized for America in his Cairo speech, but he certainly did make it clear we wouldn't rub our values in anyone's face anymore. During the Iranian Green Revolution, he acted as if the people's yearning for freedom was really inconvenient. And, over the last week, this administration has talked about the First Amendment as if it's something it's stuck with.

"We do not stop individual citizens from expressing their views, no matter how distasteful they may be," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in the diplomatic equivalent of a regretful sigh. Maybe that's true (though the White House did ask YouTube to consider pulling the video), and federal authorities did drag the alleged filmmaker in for questioning.

But our public officials now treat attacks on Islam as especially offensive -- more offensive than unremarked-upon near-daily attacks on Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism, atheism and just about every other faith and creed.

Why is Islam so special? The answer is, it's not. But Muslim rioters get special treatment. And that's nuts. If these people are going to hate us, even after President Obama has done such a fantastic job reaching out to the Muslim world, maybe we should just accept that fact and stand up for what we believe, without apology.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: benghazi; islam; libya; middleeast; muslims; protests; susanrice

1 posted on 09/19/2012 4:31:41 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

It told the truth with satire..actors were bad but still laughed at it. No lies about Islam.


2 posted on 09/19/2012 4:39:41 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Kaslin

To me it looked a cross between Airport, Hogan’s Heroes and Clutch Cargo. Pretty funny.


3 posted on 09/19/2012 4:44:55 AM PDT by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: Kaslin

4 posted on 09/19/2012 4:46:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dalebert
The video offended the delicate sensibilities of peaceful Muslims to such an extent that they were forced revert to all the evil ways the the trailer accused them of and then some.As far as the Obamanation’s policies are concerned, his squishy softness only emboldened them to give vent to their ongoing hatred of America which is largely based on jealousy,stupidity, and discontent with their miserable lives in Islamic hellholes.
5 posted on 09/19/2012 4:49:29 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Kaslin

I watched it for a few minutes but found it pitiful, full of bad acting, a confused plot and not worthy of my time. Speaking of pitiful, it is a very pitiful excuse to riot! But then again, maybe the Mooslimbs were only looking for the mere hint of an excuse for the riots they wanted to start.


6 posted on 09/19/2012 4:52:14 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Kaslin

So you think my new movie “Mohammed, the Gay Blade” would cause problems?


7 posted on 09/19/2012 4:56:15 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: Kaslin

Blaming the movie is to suggest...
1. The riots were spontaneous
2. There was no pre planning
3. The murders were by a mob rather than an organized terrorist attack
4. We in the west are at fault yet again for our lack of multicultural respect.

ABC had taken all references to the ME down on its website last night. Replaced then with two negative stories on Romney, shock got ten minutes of air time.


8 posted on 09/19/2012 5:03:47 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Kaslin
Can 'Innocence of Muslims' Trailer Really be that Potent?

Only if the president wants to pump it for all it's worth in order to deflect blame away from himself.

9 posted on 09/19/2012 5:07:59 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Kaslin

the ghost of joseph goebbels says the American media learned well from his example.


10 posted on 09/19/2012 5:12:16 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: TigerClaws

Tiger Claws—T’anks— you said it much better than I could.
It is not a movie that inspired such Hate—it is a system— it is a Blessing of Hagar proven true in our day -for these are wild asses of men whose hand is against every man and because of that every mans hand is against them.(Genesis 16:)


11 posted on 09/19/2012 5:17:59 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Kaslin
Bookmark quote from the article:

Why is Islam so special? The answer is, it's not. But Muslim rioters get special treatment. And that's nuts. If these people are going to hate us, even after President Obama has done such a fantastic job reaching out to the Muslim world, maybe we should just accept that fact and stand up for what we believe, without apology.

12 posted on 09/19/2012 5:23:25 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: Kaslin

The thing that’s making this silly film more powerful is actually the White House with its insistence that the film is important and gives all Muslims a justified cause to destroy American facilities and kill Americans.

The killers in Libya probably barely knew about it, and the mob in Egypt knew about it only because the Salafists had shown it on Egyptian state TV.

The rest of the world knows about it because the White House is promoting it and essentially telling them to be outraged. The Indonesians, I believe, are the group that is rioting right now, thanks to the White House.


13 posted on 09/19/2012 5:27:06 AM PDT by livius
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To: MuttTheHoople

Probably not.

There are far, far ‘worse’ videos on Youtube about Islam, the “Prophet” Muhammad and Muslims in general that nary get a mention. That’s what makes this latest ‘outrage’ even more suspect if not downright ridiculous.

It is interesting to note that the Democrats and liberals are always first to suggest limiting free speech when it comes to Islam (in general really, unless it is speech critical of Christianity then all bets are off).


14 posted on 09/19/2012 5:28:47 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: corlorde

There are far, far ‘worse’ videos on Youtube about Islam, the “Prophet” Muhammad and Muslims in general that nary get a mention. That’s what makes this latest ‘outrage’ even more suspect if not downright ridiculous.
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i agree. and, it is suspicious, that liberal controlled Google, “refuses” to remove the video for Obama.
(when it frequently removes other videos, that are LESS offensive.)
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and just as ONE example, of a more offensive video,
that had many MORE views by Muslims, yet did NOT cause riots:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2932950/posts

I demand to be arrested for blasphemy. Now.
Barnhardt.biz ^ | September 14, AD 2012 1:12 | Ann Barnhardt
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:48:46 PM by pwatson
I demand to be arrested for blasphemy.


15 posted on 09/19/2012 5:57:21 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kaslin

Now that’s what I call a good strategy by al-Quaida to use that dopey trailer to fire up the rag heads everywhere. How ignorant can people be to even think that it started all demonstrations by these idiots, or to even think that the Mussie in chief is correct in his assessment of what happened. My take.


16 posted on 09/19/2012 6:07:37 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Kaslin
Perhaps the muzzies should hope that a spontaneous protest group of westerners doesn't, totally unplanned and not supported by any regime, nuke mecca.
17 posted on 09/19/2012 6:21:21 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: tractorman

...from Innocence...

Servents: Yes, but is the Master dominant or submissive?

Mohammad: BOTH

Hilarious film


18 posted on 09/19/2012 6:52:21 AM PDT by maxsand
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To: livius
The thing that’s making this silly film more powerful is actually the White House with its insistence that the film is important and gives all Muslims a justified cause to destroy American facilities and kill Americans…..

I agree completely. By stating a position that the riots and killings were a “spontaneous response to a video, a film we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting", the White House has (in a perverted sense) validated whatever has gone as being reasonable because ‘there is an explanation for it’. It’s the same explanation that has gone on for other movies, cartoons and even teddy bears. What’s next on ‘thou shalt not offend’ list? We can quickly get to the point where every single thing that somebody says and does could be interpreted as being offensive… in fact, we just may not realize it but we’re almost there now…..if not with mooslims, the homosexual lobby and a zillion other groups. For this foreign debacle, what an incredibly insane way to respond to it…..even though the film has likely nothing to do with the nature of the coordinated attack, by taking a position that ‘it’s wrong to be offensive to mooslim sensibilities’ is to invite even more insanity.

Pray God will send us another adult like Ronald Reagan who actually knows what to do when faced with similar circumstances and never lets these children near the White House again (El Dorado Canyon when he bombed their leader’s houses and shut them up for 25 years….then the Libyans apologized).

19 posted on 09/19/2012 7:37:29 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: Kaslin
Back in the 1970’s Hollywood bowed to pressure from Middle Eastern countries (oil producers), and stopped making a movie about Mohammad's life. They said that no picture and film could be made about their prophet, without blaspheming him and Islam.

The problem is that if that film told the truth about Mohammad (contained in their own historical records), it would cause most in the West to realize how alien to Christian-Judaic beliefs, Islam truly is.

One of the big news wire services was also bought out by a Muslim nation during the 1970’s. How better to mold your image than to control the means of communication.

It could be nothing but a photograph of a actor made up as Mohammad that would set off Muslims to riot and destroy.

The Middle Eastern Media will hype anything that can be considered as an insult to Islam.

A single man standing on a street corner, somewhere in the US, who threatens to draw a picture, or burn a Koran, will draw so much attention that that man will become demonized as the cause of Islamic riots, killing and destruction.

Since when do we demonize the preacher of a small Christian congregation, who stands up and states, “Islam is of the Devil”, when at the same time Christian churches are being burned, believers being beheaded, and the Coptic Christians in “secular Egypt” are being terrorized and murdered. Islam's own history says that Mohammad was influenced by Jinn, the Arabic word for demon.

Young Christian girls are being kidnapped, married of to Muslims, and then the parents are told they have no voice, because the child is now Muslim. Anyone who converts away from Islam is under sentence of death, to be carried out by any Muslim, who can get to the offender.

Our own POS condemns the maker of the amateurish video, that has been on You Tube for over six months, and says that he is the cause of riots in the Middle East.

When did we, a nation who has in the past stood up for freedom of speech and truth, start bowing to lies and demagoguery from the Middle East. Muslims hate us, simply because we are not Muslim.

They feel because we have a president who was fathered by a Muslim, raised by a Muslim stepfather, and then indoctrinated with the belief that the US is evil, that they can rely on those who follow his beliefs, to weaken our resolve, and bring about the destruction of our nation, our republic, and replace it with Shariah law.

When we deny any man the freedom of speech established under our Constitution, we have already lost the war. We do not shine the light of truth on their intolerance, but continually demonize the child who states, “The Emperor has no clothes”.

The Muslims through the use of oil monies have turned world opinion against the Jews. They have created the myth of the “Palestinian people”, who called themselves “Arabs” until 1967, when magically a they appeared as a small persecuted minority within greater Islam.

They twist history and truth at every turn. They deny historical facts and claim that Israel never existed, and Jerusalem was never the capital of a Jewish nation.

They keep saying that Israel is the aggressor, but it is they who attack continually. They have attacked and subjugated Jews and Christian, since their beginning in the 7th century. In the 19th century, before there was even the idea of a nation called Israel, they were attacking and demonizing Jews. They continue to this day, always giving lame excuses to the West as a cover for their hatred.

After all, they like socialist will use anything, any lie, any twist of the truth, to promote their cause. Muslims have been killing and enslaving non-muslims since the 7th century. I believe the worst example of this was in India, where no one could claim to be “People of the Book”, and so had only one choice, convert or die.

Just as within Nazi ism, there is no freedom of speech in Islam. There is no religion in Islam. It is a political movement dedicated to the subjugation of the world. The word Islam means submission.

20 posted on 09/19/2012 8:01:33 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Kaslin
...why the Middle East (and now much of the Muslim world) is in near open rebellion against the United States...

I reject the premise. Rebellion implies that the entity being rebelled against has some measure of control over the rebels to begin with.

They just plain hate Infidels, and we are The Great Satan in their feeble minds.

21 posted on 09/19/2012 8:04:50 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Kaslin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2933124/posts "Libya's highest politician says the United States government was warned about a pending attack on its diplomatic staff three days before it took place. Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif says his government received word of the pending attack and passed that information to US diplomatic officials no later than 48 hours before the attack."

Why toying around with liberals lies?

22 posted on 09/19/2012 8:12:53 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: corlorde; All
There have been newscasts that have questioned the need for policing or limiting or monitoring the internet every since the current President took office.

To my mind this is an excuse to call for regulations for the Internet.

It is only a matter of time before regulations are in place. When first coming to the Internet it was told that Europe or England have such a monitoring system in place that looked for key words and kicked out suspect terrorists, etc.

Es choir, or something similar was the name as I recall. Haven't heard about it for long while.

My idea is regulation is coming ... soon

Pray God to protect and restore America to our former values, in Jesus name, amen.

We are in big TRUOBLE!

23 posted on 09/19/2012 9:13:06 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: tractorman

It was so poorly done I couldn’t watch it all. I wasn’t even sure if they were going for satire or serious. Either way, none of this is a result of the waste of bandwidth video.


24 posted on 09/19/2012 9:18:56 AM PDT by moehoward
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