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Hard Unemployment Truths About 'Soft' Skills (many applicants fail drug tests, lack work ethic)
Wall Street Journal ^ | September 19, 2012 | Nick Schulz

Posted on 09/20/2012 5:34:05 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Reeses
Spelling demonstrates competency at spelling. One could spell very well and still be incompetent at their job and vice versa.

Grammar and vocabulary are at least a good indicators of education and upbringing.

41 posted on 09/20/2012 8:46:04 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
Einstein was a notoriously bad speller.

One data point does not establish a lack of correlation.

Spelling ability is a poor overall indicator of intelligence and a poor indicator of overall communication skill.

The more effort your audience has to expend on mentally translating what you've written into English, the poorer a communicator you are. (I will agree that the inability to construct a coherent paragraph is a much greater impediment to communication.)

42 posted on 09/20/2012 10:13:15 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: reaganaut1

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43 posted on 09/20/2012 10:15:27 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: reaganaut1
we have a hard time finding people who can pass the drug test.

Current drug tests detect any marijuana use within the past 30 days; how much does the joint you shared three weekends ago have to do with your ability to do a job today?

44 posted on 09/20/2012 10:17:48 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: reaganaut1
More than half of the organizations surveyed reported that simple grammar and spelling were the top "basic" skills among older workers that are not readily present among younger workers.

You could hire the older workers rather then deciding against us the moment you note the gray. Just a thought.

45 posted on 09/20/2012 10:26:12 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Maybe it has more to do with the joint you share three weeks from now, when you have the job.


46 posted on 09/20/2012 10:34:08 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
One data point does not establish a lack of correlation.

True but that was given as an example not a single data point. If you wish you can do a little research and see that spelling is considered a poor indicator of intelligence by virtually everyone that is in the business of measuring intelligence.

The more effort your audience has to expend on mentally translating what you've written into English, the poorer a communicator you are.

Typically in business communication via a written medium people can take advantage of spell check.

47 posted on 09/20/2012 10:57:58 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
we have a hard time finding people who can pass the drug test.

Current drug tests detect any marijuana use within the past 30 days; how much does the joint you shared three weekends ago have to do with your ability to do a job today?

Maybe it has more to do with the joint you share three weeks from now, when you have the job.

Maybe ... and maybe not. And how much does the joint you shared Friday night have to do with your ability to do a job the following Monday?

Employers are free to set whatever conditions they want - but if they're restricting the pool of eligible applicants with tests that in some cases have little relationship with job performance, they should reconsider those.

48 posted on 09/20/2012 1:52:21 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Durus
The more effort your audience has to expend on mentally translating what you've written into English, the poorer a communicator you are.

Typically in business communication via a written medium people can take advantage of spell check.

As was already pointed out to you, you have to have some minimal level of education in the English language to use spell check (for instance, you have to know the difference between there, their, and they're).

49 posted on 09/20/2012 1:54:54 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: reaganaut1

Employers want 25 year olds with Ph.Ds. No one says a word about age discrimination, and race discrimination against whites.


50 posted on 09/20/2012 1:57:03 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

It shows you’re irresponsible. Kinda like what does it matter to a bank if I want to work there and have a recent bankruptcy.


51 posted on 09/20/2012 1:58:34 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Monty22002
we have a hard time finding people who can pass the drug test.

Current drug tests detect any marijuana use within the past 30 days; how much does the joint you shared three weekends ago have to do with your ability to do a job today?

It shows you’re irresponsible. Kinda like what does it matter to a bank if I want to work there and have a recent bankruptcy.

An employer is free to believe that, and act on that belief. I think it's at least as irresponsible to speed - but you don't hear of employers screening out applicants with speeding tickets. If employers are restricting the pool of eligible applicants with tests that in some cases have little relationship with job performance, they should reconsider those.

52 posted on 09/20/2012 2:29:46 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Current drug tests detect any marijuana use within the past 30 days; how much does the joint you shared three weekends ago have to do with your ability to do a job today?

How would you feel about that if the job in question was driving the bus that you happen to be riding?

Regards,
GtG

53 posted on 09/20/2012 2:30:02 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Current drug tests detect any marijuana use within the past 30 days; how much does the joint you shared three weekends ago have to do with your ability to do a job today?

How would you feel about that if the job in question was driving the bus that you happen to be riding?

I never said nor implied the answer was the same for all jobs. Many jobs don't have the safety issues of bus driver - I sit at a computer all day, and couldn't endanger anyone's life if I tried.

54 posted on 09/20/2012 2:39:21 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

<The new Indian CEO arrived in London and the first thing he noticed was that all of his employees went to lunch at the pub on Fridays and never came back. He put a stop to that practice, and immediately became the most hated man in Britain.

Two personal notes: 1) In the 70’s, I attended to the Univ of London and was shocked to see beer served in the dining halls at lunch. I didn’t see any drunk classmates; I guess they were just used to drinking.

2) About 20 years ago I took my son to England. There was a factory manager sitting next to me on the plane who said it was hard to hire the English. They were used to the dole and didn’t want to work full time - even if they made more money than being on the dole. He preferred American workers.


55 posted on 09/20/2012 2:59:49 PM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, store food, pray for the Republic.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I’d say illegal drug use is a bit harsher than traffic violations and is a good judgement of character.


56 posted on 09/20/2012 3:38:46 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
As was already pointed out to you, you have to have some minimal level of education in the English language to use spell check (for instance, you have to know the difference between there, their, and they're).

I've already responded that spelling is not the same thing as grammar.

57 posted on 09/20/2012 7:07:53 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
As was already pointed out to you, you have to have some minimal level of education in the English language to use spell check (for instance, you have to know the difference between there, their, and they're).

I've already responded that spelling is not the same thing as grammar.

58 posted on 09/20/2012 7:08:05 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
As was already pointed out to you, you have to have some minimal level of education in the English language to use spell check (for instance, you have to know the difference between there, their, and they're).

I've already responded that spelling is not the same thing as grammar.

Irrelevant - the point is that you won't get the right spelling if you can't pick it out from among multiple possibilities offered by the spell checker (or if you can't tell when the spell checker defaults to the wrong option).

59 posted on 09/21/2012 11:30:49 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Monty22002
I’d say illegal drug use is a bit harsher than traffic violations

14 states treat first-time possession of a personal-consumption amount of marijuana like a minor traffic violation: a fine, but no prison time or criminal record.

Alaska
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Maine
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Mississippi
Nebraska
Nevada
New York
North Carolina
Ohio
Oregon

and is a good judgement of character.

Why? Speeding is a more clear and present danger to others than marijuana use.

60 posted on 09/21/2012 11:37:17 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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