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Minnesota farmer cleared in milk case
The Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | September 20, 2012 | Abby Simons

Posted on 09/22/2012 12:41:22 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A soft-spoken Minnesota farmer was cleared of violating state laws for distributing raw milk Thursday, a verdict advocates for such foods called their first major legal victory.

After a three-day trial and more than four hours of deliberation, a Hennepin County jury found Alvin Schlangen not guilty of three misdemeanor counts of selling unpasteurized milk, operating without a food license and handling adulterated or misbranded food.

The trial highlighted a deep national divide between raw milk advocates who contend unpasteurized dairy products can relieve allergies and prevent illness and public health officials who warn that raw milk can cause serious and sometimes fatal diseases, such as E. coli, salmonella and listeria.

"It's a big step in the right direction," Schlangen, 54, said Thursday, flanked by celebrating supporters. "I have a hard time understanding how this basic freedom has been so hard to maintain."

The raw milk debate emerged in Minnesota two years ago, when eight people were sickened by E. coli bacteria in raw milk that was linked to Minnesota producer Mike Hartmann. Hartmann faces similar charges as Schlangen did and is expected to be tried this fall. He also faces a lawsuit filed by the father of a boy who got sick from drinking raw milk.

Schlangen, an organic egg farmer from Freeport, Minn., doesn't produce milk himself but operates Freedom Farms Co-op, a private club with roughly 130 members who buy various farm products, including raw milk. Schlangen picks up the milk products from an Amish farm and delivers them to members.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alvinschlangen; ban; nannystate; rawmilk

1 posted on 09/22/2012 12:41:32 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I drank raw milk as a kid and have lived to tell about it. My goodness, was that some good stuff!


2 posted on 09/22/2012 12:44:45 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; bamahead; CSM; ...

Good news.

Nanny State PING!


3 posted on 09/22/2012 12:45:00 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If they own part of the cow, that should be good enough


4 posted on 09/22/2012 12:47:20 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If the verdict was not jury nullification of the law, it was darn close.


5 posted on 09/22/2012 12:47:33 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"handling adulterated or misbranded food"

Raw = adulterated.

Homogenized = unadulterated.

Freedom = control.

6 posted on 09/22/2012 12:51:32 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Ah,the “libertarians” are out again I see.Selling “raw” milk may well be reasonable under two conditions...1) it be made abundantly clear to anyone obtaining it from the farmer and to all subsequent persons/companies/entities of its unpasteurized state and 2) that it cannot be distributed to,or served to,anyone under the age of 18.
7 posted on 09/22/2012 12:59:03 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: bgill

Yes, so did I. My parents kept a few cows and chickens until the owners of the small farm we were renting decided to sell the land. We moved in near the local city, Eugene, Oregon, and had to give up the livestock.

We bought raw milk, butter and eggs from a small local dairy until Eugene annexed the area in 1959, and gave all the local farmers 2 years to conform to city ordinances, which of course shut them all down.

Before then, the area had been a major producer of walnuts, filberts and hay. The only farm products the city allowed to continue were grass seed and straw.


8 posted on 09/22/2012 1:02:05 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Gay State Conservative

Raw milk makes the best Cheddar.


9 posted on 09/22/2012 1:06:10 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Gay State Conservative

Raw milk is no more risky than pasteurized as long as rigid quality control and sanitation is maintained.


10 posted on 09/22/2012 1:07:14 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: bgill

Good on the jury.

I was raised on raw milk. We made our own butter from the cream and it was great.

I am the oldest of 6 brats from a dirt poor family. Somehow my mom, without government help/interference, failed kill any of us. We don’t use raw milk today, if for no other reason it isn’t handy.

We used to raise our own beef, but quit after our hay bucking kids left home. LOL

We do raise and free-roam, our own chickens, geese and ducks... and we also eat their organic eggs. I should die any minute.... I am 64 next month.

Darn, I have a sudden craving for raw milk and homemade butter.


11 posted on 09/22/2012 1:11:01 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
... and public health officials who warn that raw milk can cause serious and sometimes fatal diseases, such as E. coli, salmonella and listeria.

Inspected food can and does sometimes do that too ... but you don't see the SWAT teams raiding the offices of the inspectors, do you? Anyway, raw milk can be very hazardous to your health, when in fact it can bring dozens of adrenalized Rambo wannabees on your property, shouting obscenities at you and pointing machine guns at your head. As it happens though this risk doesn't have anything directly to do with the milk, however.

12 posted on 09/22/2012 1:11:30 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: bgill

I’ve been drinking it for over 20 years ... and I’m 64.


13 posted on 09/22/2012 1:11:35 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Gator113
I got 14 layers out back in the chicken tractor I built.

I get double production (about a dozen a day .. they're just 6 mo this week .. RIReds) .. 'cause I get about a third double yolks.

14 posted on 09/22/2012 1:14:20 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: jimtorr

My Dad grew up in the early 20th century in one of those bid old Southern homes. Not a farm, but they kept stables and cows. The kids used to go out to the barn and drink straight from the cow.


15 posted on 09/22/2012 1:16:47 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Fresh milk straight from a Guernsey cow, 50% milkfat. About the texture of latex paint when you swallow it.

Good stuff.


16 posted on 09/22/2012 1:23:31 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Raw milk has been with us since the first cow was milked. It is obvious form the millions that have died from milk over the millennia that something could be done.


17 posted on 09/22/2012 1:24:01 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: knarf

Good for you. All of mine are RIReds too. Don’t be surprised if they quit giving you double yokes when they get a little older, my 26 girls did. We are now down to 17 hens and nearly ready to start over with chicks.

For awhile we had more eggs than we knew what to do with them. My wife sold some to her coworkers for $3.50 a dozen and each week she took a few dozen to the local food bank—those folks loved her for it. Imagine being down and out, finding it necessary to go to the food bank and you actually get large fresh brown eggs. ;>)

Fun thing: We picked a few eggs that the ducks have left outside their condo and placed them under a chicken. She hatched them a couple weeks ago and she is now taking care of 4 ducklings... cute to watch.


18 posted on 09/22/2012 1:46:56 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

>>Minnesota farmer cleared in a milk case

I didn’t know a farmer could fit into a milk case.


19 posted on 09/22/2012 1:57:28 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We had cows and drank raw milk our whole lives until we all moved away from home. Also, Churned our own butter,had buttermilk, made cottage cheese, whipped cream, etc. We were all healthy, had strong bones and good teeth. This govt. reg. crap has gotten entirely out of hand in my opinion. We also butchered our own hogs and a steer all with no help from Uncle Sam. Folks had big gardens too and froze or canned vegetables. So did most of the neighbors and we all shared with older neighbors and needy families. We’re literally being “REGULATED” to death by the Fed. Gov’t! I can’t stand what our Country is becoming. There is no real feeling of Freedom which so many used to enjoy. I can’t stand what our once Great Nation is turning into anymore.


20 posted on 09/22/2012 2:02:38 PM PDT by Patsygirl
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Could be that busybodies are all or mostly all democrats..
New York city of full of them.. and lets not talk of Chicago..
But then Mexifornia is in another class.. mostly peons, nosey peons..

But the Busybody Capital is Washington D.C...
The place is a Donkey Rodeo.. with clowns and everything..
HEE HAW is lawyer-speak..


21 posted on 09/22/2012 2:03:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’ve only tried raw milk a few times, and, while it’s good, I wouldn’t go too far out of my way to get some. However, if I was on the jury it’s likely that I would have gone for nullification. The government has no business regulating the knowing purchase of raw milk, just labeling to ensure that buyers know it is raw milk and not pasteurized.


22 posted on 09/22/2012 2:08:59 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: bgill

I used to live just south of Elbow Lake, MN when I was attending Avionics school in Alexandria, MN and we used get raw milk from local dairy farmers.

My son is very healthy now at 35 years of age and probably the better for it. He has a Master in Physics and Computer Modeling.

Growing up on a farm site and running and poking at snakes and bugs made for a strong immune system.

Hoffman, MN had a dairy co-op that had fresh warm curds you could buy.....we called them squeakies because of the way they would squeak against your teeth when eating them.

Too much regulation has the unfortunate affect of isolating the immune system from being exercised.

Life, in the US, is now akin to “Boy in a Plastic Bubble” life, too sterile.


23 posted on 09/22/2012 2:17:58 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster

I couldn’t believe that the State would do this. Good for the farmer and all farmers. Screw the State Government gone wild.


24 posted on 09/22/2012 2:26:18 PM PDT by Doc Hunter
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To: Doc Hunter
That's practically Minnesota's state motto.
25 posted on 09/22/2012 2:36:28 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Puckster
Too much regulation has the unfortunate affect of isolating the immune system from being exercised. Life, in the US, is now akin to “Boy in a Plastic Bubble” life, too sterile.

Which is why kids are now allergic to everything.

26 posted on 09/22/2012 2:39:28 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Raw milk has been safely used for 1000s of years, and the State uses force of arms to ban it.

GMOs are brand new, with questionable safety, and the State does not even want them to appear on ingredient lists.


27 posted on 09/22/2012 3:00:47 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Every single person who drank raw milk before pasteurization was invented is now dead. How much evidence do you need? (/s)


28 posted on 09/22/2012 3:14:53 PM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: bgill

I work as a contractor in Afghanistan and both deployments, with separate companies, has resulted in the few times I’ve gotten sick since childhood.

But, this hasn’t been from being here, but from the requirement for flu shots prior to deployment.

I’ve always passed up company offered flu shots back stateside without contracting what everyone else was suffering.

Once I’m recovered from the flu shot....no problems.

Flu shot.....I don’t need no stinken flu shot.


29 posted on 09/22/2012 3:56:27 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Jacquerie

I have always believed thsat jury nullification is an important defense of our American liberty.


30 posted on 09/22/2012 4:01:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: sima_yi
Every single person who drank raw milk before pasteurization was invented is now dead.

That is true. However, there is a considerable population that has consumed raw milk since pasteurization was invented that is still very much alive. We also know that the stuff they sell in stores that is labeled 'whole milk' isn't...

And those of us who grew up in farm country know that if a cow only gave 3.5% butterfat content milk, that cow would be called 'hamburger' tomorrow...

31 posted on 09/22/2012 4:02:29 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: bgill

Same here. No problems. Miss Mom’s churned butter.


32 posted on 09/22/2012 4:06:59 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Yes. It is a shame it is not done w/federal cases.

Hmmm, could Congress pass a law that creates jury trials before Scotus?

33 posted on 09/22/2012 4:12:40 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Jacquerie

I think it would probably tke a Constitutional amendment. Good idea, though.


34 posted on 09/22/2012 4:18:15 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 09/22/2012 8:47:26 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jacquerie

As our country goes more and more nanny state/commie and up-side—down, we are going to be forced to do jury nullification on oppressive and stupid laws passed in service to the interest of campaign donars and activists.

That is the way it is going. I would not hesitate.


36 posted on 09/22/2012 9:01:55 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

I looked the topic up in Madison’s very terse notes to the Constitutional convention. From that and Historian Forrest McDonald, I confident of the following.

When we were colonists, jury nullification was a contentious, yet accepted practice of actually participating in government. Royal governors and the King’s judges found effective opposition in colonial juries. We had no representation in Parliament, and the Royal Governors had wide powers over our colonial assemblies, so jury nullification was more or less our only means to affect legislation via the people’s veto.

On independence and with the Constitution, the GOVERNMENT WAS US! No law could pass without our consent through the House of Reps.

The idea was to not enshrine the concept in our Constitution because the people could not, would not enslave themselves.


37 posted on 09/23/2012 3:12:56 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

FABULOUS NEWS!

As a kid, we lived in inner-city Milwaukee but Mom shipped us all to her cousin’s farm each summer as indentured slaves, mainly to get us out of her hair and into the fresh air and sunshine. The reason I have a farm today is from LIVING the stark difference between City Life and Country Life. *HEART*

I never knew that all that milk I drank STRAIGHT from the cow or goat was BAD for me. Funny how those Nanny Staters knew how to live my life better than the adults in my life did back then!

B@stards. But, score one for US!


38 posted on 09/23/2012 5:43:07 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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