IMHO, this is all manufactured smoke and mirrors in prep for the "October Surprise". We will be under martial law before you can say "sieg heil"... and his sycophants will be applauding!
Keep your back covered!
Posted on 09/23/2012 4:09:49 AM PDT by WVKayaker
Personally, I think the gay tryst thing is probably the best answer.
And I did not really care that he was gay.
Here is my thinking: If he was working for the CIA he would have had some security around him. I doubt if the Ambassador would be involved directly with the CIA outside of the embassy—only because it would be too much of a risk. He would have “people” who would do that.
But if you think about a man having an affair, this fits perfectly. Whether it be a gay affair or hetero affair.
1. You go to an out of the way place.
2. You go someplace where you have been before, where your presence can be explained.
3. You go some place where you feel safe—and where your partner can get to without raising suspicion.
4. Once you get comfortable, you drop your paranoia and create routines. And that is where people start to track patterns.
In this case my guess is that he had built a pattern of behavior over time that allowed his killers to lie in waiting. Once he showed up on the scene, it was a matter of getting into the truck and drive on over to the house. No one needed to “rat him out” because he had done this over and over.
And really, a journal? Really? With only a few pages in it? Come on. We are supposed to believe that?
Did you see pictures of the building? It had been ablaze for hours. And his seven page journal made it through?
If one stops listening to the stories, and starts thinking about what actually happened and ask yourself why something happened...you can only come to a few conclusions. And then ask yourself which of those conclusions makes the most sense. It doesnt have to be complicated at all. And, he would not be the first man to make a stupid mistake over a secret relationship.
I am open to other theories. And I am not passing judgement on his proclivities. I am passing judgement on his brains.
And in either case, within 24 hours Ronald Reagan would have turned every Libyan Islamist "militia" terrorist HQ, staging area, camp site, training ground etc into smoking craters. For years after, Libyans would be afraid to enter those blast zones.
Exactly. I’m still waiting to hear why Stevens was at an unprotected villa outpost/consulate in Benghazi on 9-11, instead of at the fortified embassy in Tripoli.
Why was he there at all on 9-11? That is the million-dollar question.
That’s true. Didn’t think of that!
Not with rubber bullets they couldn’t.
When you call in the Marines, you need something destroyed... And thoroughly. Let us do our job and there would have been no riot...
William F Buckley was kidnapped going to work after he had been warned - with his burn bag attached to his arm.
Undercover CIA working for State Department.
Gay Tryst is a possibility but the location doesn’t make sense to me if he felt like he was in danger - as per the journal.
You are right about the fire and that journal.
It’s a plant.
I don’t understand why the State Department told CNN to give it to an Italian official to return to the family.
My take: Stevens had “gone native,” always a risk with “Arabist” Foreign Service Officers.
He honestly believed he didn't need USMC security, because the “Libyan freedom fighters” loved him so much for his help during and after the uprising. He was known to travel around Behghazi SOLO for God's sake, driving himself to meetings with locals!
IOW, he believed the gentle words of his Libyan sycophants, and he believed he was a modern-day "Lawrence of Libya."
This made him low-hanging fruit for hardcore Muslim terrorists, anytime they wanted to kill him in a splashy way. They could have killed him on any given day in the past months, but chose to make it a splashy high-profile attack on 9-11.
In effect, Stevens committed suicide-by-hubris. Too bad the others died with him. Too bad they didn't just shoot him on the street, while “Lawrence of Libya” was traveling unescorted.
But that would not have been the global spectacle the terrorists were seeking.
Even if he were to do that it's doubtful the economy would recover.
It's better for the dems to have a repub in the WH when the economy crashes so they can lay the blame on them.
It appears there was no security for Stevens because with security offering resistance it's more likely he would be killed instead of captured and held hostage.
Stevens being held hostage by terrorist and Zippo becomes Peanuts Carter II.
What a coincidence, repubs compare Zippo to Peanuts, dems embrace Peanuts at their convention, and then there is an incident to make Zippo Peanuts II.
I believe the intent was for Stevens to be taken hostage to paint Zippo as Peanuts.
The terrorist would keep Stevens hostage until the day Romney is sworn in, just like with Peanuts and the Iranian hostages.
The dems would then claim Romney was behind the terrorist attack playing off Reagan and the “October Surprise” with Carter and “Bush Knew” after 9/11.
This would then set Hillary up for 2016 as all the problems of the Zippo years would be blamed on the repubs.
One report I read said both SEALs were killed by mortar fire, based on their wounds etc.
Wonderful that the Commander In Chief (or “Commander AND Chief”, as Obama, the smartest president ever, called it) is so supportive of “his” troops. Disgraceful and shameful. What a POS he is. Get him OUT!!!
Hubris is what got William F Buckley kidnapped ,tortured, and killed.
The thing that counters your thoughts are the writings of Stevens in a planted diary where he outlines that he thinks he is a target.
He might have felt the threats, but too late to take corrective action.
Stevens was known to drive solo to meetings with Libyans. That tells me almost everything. Other reports lead me to believe he had “gone native,” and believed that most Libyans loved him.
This is borne out by the angry mobs storming the militia bases over the past few days. Most Libyans probably DID love “Lawrence of Libya.” But this left him totally exposed to attack by any group ruthless enough to want to poke a sharp stick in Uncle Sam’s eye on 9-11.
But Buckley was the Station Chief. Not the Ambassador.
IMO, the resistance is what screw up the plan and got him killed instead of taken hostage.
IMHO, this is all manufactured smoke and mirrors in prep for the "October Surprise". We will be under martial law before you can say "sieg heil"... and his sycophants will be applauding!
Keep your back covered!
So let’s take it as a given that the diary is planted.
Who benefits????
Obama? Because it takes out Hillary.
But does it hurt Obama as much as Hillary.
Doubtful some Republican planted it.
So that leaves CIA planted it to take out Obama and Hillary is a side effect or Obama’s goons planted it to take out Hillary.
Who else?
Stevens killed for unknown reason by unknown person (using terrorists as the killers ) but need to blame it on terrorists . So plant a diary that says he is a target etc.
What are the other possibilities given that the diary is a plant.
And I know you and I are writing in somewhat “stream of consciousness” so please don’t take this the wrong way...
But you cannot suggest he was in fear for his because of what he wrote—and then say what he wrote was a fraud.
Okam’s Razor is at play here. What is the simplest, easiest to understand reason why he was in Benghazi without security?
That is more often than not, the reason.
And I know you and I are writing in somewhat “stream of consciousness” so please don’t take this the wrong way...
But you cannot suggest he was in fear for his because of what he wrote—and then say what he wrote was a fraud.
Okam’s Razor is at play here. What is the simplest, easiest to understand reason why he was in Benghazi without security?
That is more often than not, the reason.
I’ve read and re-read your comment a few times. Maybe it’s just that this is Sunday morning and I’m not fully awake. Is there something I’m missing, or are you intentionally insulting United States Marines?
The point is that Buckely was CIA undercover using State Department as his cover.
He knew he was in danger.
He was warned.
He went out and about saying he was safe because of his contacts, etc... and went to work the same way every day as routine.
The Ambassador to Indonesia left Indonesia right about the time the CIA was overthrowing Sukarno and went to head up the East-West center - known for training CIA operatives. East -West helped trained operatives for Operation Phoenix and had a similar program for Indonesia.
Point being - Ambassadors can work with the CIA , too. There is no doubt in my mind that Stevens helped overthrow Qaddafi.
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