Romney says his campaign doesn’t need a ‘turnaround’

Yahoo News—The Ticket ^ | September 23, 2012 | Holly Bailey

[RaisingCain]

“Romney is not stupid and he can afford and presumably receives the best polling and focus group data money can buy.”

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This is the myth of the competent hope and change candidate, the assumption that Romney is doing all the stuff we want him to do in closed doors where we cannot see, since we KNOW or SUSPECT at least that he is competent and more conservative or a smarter politician than the open source evidence suggests. In fact, all the evidence suggests that he specifically doesn’t have any of the virtues we hope that he has. Even so far as business is concerned, there is still the yawning hole of contradiction from when he governed about as conservatively as any liberal democrat governor.

[nicmarlo]

Bravo!

seconded!

[RaisingCain]

“SO once and for all Ansel, TELL all of us what your objective truly is in posting all of these ‘facts’ about Mitt Romney? Are you just trying to be a helpful, informative FReeper, raising our consciousness and awareness about that wicked man? I implore you, please PLEASE tell us who we should vote for, if not Romney & Ryan on November 6th. You don’t want anybody voting for him, so tell us Ansel, PLEASE tell us, who are YOU voting for, so we may all be enlightened and likewise walk in your path of conservative purity? “

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You need to get it into your thick head that not everyone here is a committed demagogue who only cares about getting a guy with an (R) into the White House. Truth cannot survive in your world of group-think and mind numbing bullying to trick us into embracing something that is so utterly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. There is no evidence that Mitt Romney has an economic plan, that he is committed to the repeal of all the job killing things we hate, or even that he is a semi-honest and honorable man. It’s all assumptions, lies and mantras repeated over and over and over again.

Here’s the sad fact for ya:

The economy is going to collapse. There is going to be a reset. It is going to be painful. And neither party leadership has a plan to deal with it. Even Mittens endorsed the Stimulus and TARP before it was cool to be against it. They’re all in the same camp. They all get money from their big bankster buddies who are content on pushing debt and credit as the opiate of the masses to pad their pockets until, at last, they, and all the socialist governments on Earth, burn out because it was better than fading away!

And all of this is said not to promote Obama, or to promote anybody in particular. It is said for the same reason I might say that thunderclouds predict a storm, or that grass is green or that Republicans are the new Democrats, and Democrats are the new Commies. Welcome to Europe and all that implies.

[ansel12]

My gosh, you really do NEVER even try to do politics, or factual discussions, it really is just attack and personal attacks with you.

This is just a bunch of angry women that have no idea of how to even participate in a political forum.

This is just a frenzy of girlish emotionalism on display.

Amazing, and not helpful to your man, you ruined any value to this thread and blocked any analysis of his campaign.

[mkjessup]

My gosh, you really do NEVER even try to do politics, or factual discussions, it really is just attack and personal attacks with you.

Once again, someone disagrees with you, calls you out for your Romney-trashing, and 'wah-wah-wah', it's a personal attack on poor widdle Ansel.

This is just a bunch of angry women that have no idea of how to even participate in a political forum. This is just a frenzy of girlish emotionalism on display.

You have a gender detector there Spark-A-Doodle?

Amazing, and not helpful to your man, you ruined any value to this thread and blocked any analysis of his campaign.

Oh you're a laugh-a-minute Ansel, the only thing you ever contribute to ANY thread are attacks on Romney, and now you're whining about MY 'blocking any analysis of his campaign'

And you STILL haven't answered the question:

WHO ARE YOU SUPPORTING?

[nicmarlo]

you ruined any value to this thread and blocked any analysis of his campaign.

SO once and for all Ansel, TELL all of us what your objective truly is in posting all of these 'facts' about Mitt Romney? Are you just trying to be a helpful, informative FReeper, raising our consciousness and awareness about that wicked man?...Ansel....who are YOU supporting? It's time to show your cards, and I'm callin'.

Come now, Ansel. It's not time to divert the topic or slither away. It's your real turn in the spotlight. We actually are interested in your thoughts, perhaps read something positive from you for a change. After all, there must be someone you have in mind or have been campaigning for all these long, arduous months that you've been persuading people to steer clear of Romney. Who is your superior alternative? As in any fiction, which requires a suspension of disbelief, assume you're right. For whom, then, should we vote? Enlighten us, do!

[mkjessup]

"The economy is going to collapse. There is going to be a reset. It is going to be painful. And neither party leadership has a plan to deal with it. Even Mittens endorsed the Stimulus and TARP before it was cool to be against it. They’re all in the same camp. They all get money from their big bankster buddies who are content on pushing debt and credit as the opiate of the masses to pad their pockets until, at last, they, and all the socialist governments on Earth, burn out because it was better than fading away!
And all of this is said not to promote Obama, or to promote anybody in particular. It is said for the same reason I might say that thunderclouds predict a storm, or that grass is green or that Republicans are the new Democrats, and Democrats are the new Commies. Welcome to Europe and all that implies.

Well you're just a real ray o' sunshine there.

[diamond6]

“WHO ARE YOU SUPPORTING?”

I’ve got a better question for Ansel: “How much is Rat Patrol paying you for your support of Obama on this site?”

[mkjessup]

If they’re paying by the word, Ansel is already a rich man, lol

[diamond6]

LOL!

[ansel12]

That was the point.

You haven’t disagreed with me on a single Romney fact on this entire thread.

[nicmarlo]

Our point:

What is YOUR point?

Who do you propose should be voted for in the alternative?

Who do you believe will have a chance to oust Obama?

[nicmarlo]

Let’s assume another fiction, which also requires the suspension of disbelief. Suppose ALL posters in FR ‘see the light’ and agree with all your posts about Romney, and the convert to your purity of conservatism. They all agree not to vote for Romney.

Whatever will you do with your time?

For whom do you propose all these converts should vote?

[mkjessup]

He doesn’t care. As long as he contributes to the failure of Romney, he’ll be happy with another 4 years of 0bama.

[meadsjn]

Romney has "won" the support of Independents by a margin of +14%, a segment comprising more than one third of the entire electorate, a segment that McCain lost by a margin of 8%.

Whether it is because those Independents love Romney as a brother, friend, romantic interest, hairstyle, etc.; or whether they prefer his position on the economy is irrelevant, so long as they cast their vote for Romney this election.

However, I suspect most of these Independent voters apply a lot more intellect to their voting decisions than you demonstrate.

[nicmarlo]

That’s become more than apparent.

What a fraud of a ‘conservative’.

We already know what Reagan would do. But ask the same about George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln. Could you even imagine them willing the People to help elect, by default or otherwise, an evil anti-Christian marxist?

[mkjessup]

Uh oh, watch out for that comment about his ‘intellect’, that will be construed as a personal attack.

Otherwise, your observations are astute.

[rcrngroup]

In an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes," the Republican presidential nominee rejected criticism from conservative pundits who have called his campaign incompetent.

Good to see Romney fighting back and hitting back hard...wait! Ooops I see he is attacking conservatives once again, for a moment I thought he was fighting back against the RAT bastard commie pig 0dumb0. I guess that Romney will use the soft answer turneth away 0dumb0's wrath approach. Sigh! We are so screwed!

[nathanbedford]

I agree with the thrust of your remarks.

It is not at all clear that Romney is an effective politician, or that he is being prudently advised, or that he is open to what polling data might or might not be telling him respecting the trajectory of his campaign. Since we do not know we are purely speculating. And our speculations are fueled by an inescapable understanding of the consequences of losing this election. I might add, even if we win this election, we have no assurance that Romney will be our Paladin.

I am disquieted by the evidence of the Rasmussen polling and you are disquieted by Romney's biography. I share your unease, in fact I posted this yesterday:

"When an elected leader governs according to his ideology and succeeds, he is said to be governing according to his principles. When an elected leader governs according to his principles and fails, he is said to be governing according to ideology.

" If we look at the career of perhaps the most successful businessman and politician and certainly the man most qualified in the 20th century by virtue of his biography and accomplishments to be President of the United States, Herbert Hoover, we see a man who could not lead as president at the time of economic crisis but who could lead companies and entire nations as he did, for example, in feeding millions in Russia.

"I suppose the point is that a businessman might be a good leader in a business environment but not in a political environment and a politician to be successful in a democracy must be seen as a successful leader. Franklin Roosevelt confronted the same economic crisis, his results were no better than Hoover's probably because his policies were [not] much different, but Roosevelt fooled most of the people most of the time and therefore succeeded as a leader.

"Romney seems to have been successful in at least three disciplines, business, international sports (Olympics) and politics (Governor of Massachusetts). As a candidate he has a mixed record. Although he won the governorship of Massachusetts he lost the race for Senator and he lost the race for the nomination last cycle for president. It remains to be seen whether Romney is on the right path or not.

"Sometimes chaotic campaigns that revolt the button-down mind of corporate Republicans like Governor Dewey (and perhaps Mitt Romney) are not as effective as chaotic campaigns conducted by charismatic Democrats like Bill Clinton.

"But the point of my post is to clear the argument of underbrush and understand that there is a dichotomy between conservatives and Rinos, between those who want to stimulate the base and those who want to reach out to undecideds, between those who want an aggressive attack and those who want to conciliate women. These are different considerations from tactics, deficiencies, and professionalism. We ought not confuse the two but we certainly ought to understand that there is always an interaction between these two sets of considerations.

"I concede that a poorly run chaotic conservative campaign runs at a disadvantage. I have already conceded that Romney is undoubtedly privy to the best data that money can buy. The question is whether it is such data that is guiding his campaign or simply a Rino mindset."

[ansel12]

And my point is, do your best to join in with the political discussion, not all this personal stuff, and feelings, and so on.

Try to disengage from the obsession to get personal, and focus on the politics, the data, the facts, the reality of this campaign, of the election, of Mitt Romney, of the GOP, of conservatism, of the issues, of the down ticket, coattails, the strengths and failings of the candidate, not this childish personal stuff that doesn't belong here at all, and surely not to this extraordinary degree.

Look at this thread, this a thread of gossipy women, not of adult people on a political forum.