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Rick Perry supports 'freezing' college tuition
Reporter News ^ | 09/25/2012

Posted on 09/25/2012 2:14:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

AUSTIN — Gov. Rick Perry said college students in Texas should be able to lock in four-year tuition rates when they arrive on campus, and lawmakers could consider the idea when they return to the Capitol in January.

The proposal is Perry's latest push against rising higher education costs, which has sometimes caused friction between the governor and administrators and faculty at some of the state's largest campuses.

Perry also has championed $10,000 bachelor's degrees and called for greater efficiencies at state universities to improve graduation rates.

Speaking Friday at the Texas Tribune festival, a three-day public policy forum in Austin, Perry didn't give many specifics about "freezing" tuition but seemed intent on pursuing it during the next legislative session.

"If you get out of the University of Texas with a $50,000 debt, I don't know if we've served you well," Perry told an audience of about 500 state leaders, lawmakers, officials and lobbyists.

"We'll tell an incoming freshman, this is what the university will charge you for four years."

The Austin American-Statesman reported that initial reaction to Perry's idea appeared supportive.

Texas State University System Chancellor Brian McCall, a former member of the Texas House, said it was the first time he'd heard Perry call for a four-year freeze for incoming freshmen.

McCall said he hadn't considered a freeze before but added, "We are now."

(Excerpt) Read more at reporternews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: college; rickperry; texas; tuition

1 posted on 09/25/2012 2:14:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Because Richard Milhaus Nixon's price freezes worked out so well.
2 posted on 09/25/2012 2:14:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Actually, I think this is a great idea. It’s not that I support price controls, or any government involvement in setting consumer prices. However, they are already doing this to other sectors of the economy (e.g. health care), and so why not do it to universities, and give the liberal faculty and administrators a sense of what the policies they support feel like when they are inflicted upon them.


3 posted on 09/25/2012 2:20:23 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It is a State University. Not really free-market.

/johnny

4 posted on 09/25/2012 2:23:35 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind
Finally, some politician looking at the cost of college instead of the price, somebody concerned with the value and not just lending gullible kids money for crap. Who knows, maybe some day colleges will have to respond to market forces, get efficient, and get concerned with quality.
5 posted on 09/25/2012 2:24:55 PM PDT by Old North State
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Actually, I think this is a great idea. It’s not that I support price controls, or any government involvement in setting consumer prices. However, they are already doing this to other sectors of the economy (e.g. health care), and so why not do it to universities, and give the liberal faculty and administrators a sense of what the policies they support feel like when they are inflicted upon them.

I got my latest degree through the University of Phoenix. The per class tuition remained the same as long as I did not take more than a single class sequence break. If you took a longer break, then you had to pay whatever the new rate was at the time you started up again.

6 posted on 09/25/2012 2:27:14 PM PDT by CMAC51
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To: SeekAndFind

How about freezing the state’s (huge) expenditures on the subsidized universities, including a freeze on the compensation of every one of the featherbedded vice presidents, associate deans, provosts, etc., etc.? The problem is spending, not revenue.


7 posted on 09/25/2012 2:27:19 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: SeekAndFind

It would not be a bad idea provided the public colleges were able to estimate the costs for the entire 4 years factoring in inflation and charge the student a level tuition for the 4 years.The student would be paying a little more the first year or two to have the guarantee of level payments over the 4 years. I would not consider this a price freeze because projected inflationary cost increases are factored into the level plan. However if he is just talking about freezing tuition at current rates and having the taxpayer eat the increased costs in the future while tuition revenue is frozen, I would be against it.


8 posted on 09/25/2012 2:30:15 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: SeekAndFind

His propensity to spout populist drivel is one reason I’ve never liked this guy very much.


9 posted on 09/25/2012 2:39:37 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

It sounds like you are in favor of price controls.

I mean, it works so well in healthcare...

At least I think Perry is only talking about state schools, which is within the state’s range of responsibilities. (I’ll leave aside the question of whether state schools are necessary at this point.)


10 posted on 09/25/2012 2:42:14 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course, that 30M in Texas taxpayer dollars earmarked for illegals to tap into for college tuition remains Rick’s sacred cow not to be touched.


11 posted on 09/25/2012 2:43:52 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: TADSLOS
Of course, that 30M in Texas taxpayer dollars earmarked for illegals to tap into for college tuition remains Rick’s sacred cow not to be touched.

30M or $1, spending/giving taxpayer funded subsidies to ILLEGAL aliens is wrong. But, as we know, RINO Rick is all for it.

The man is a fraud.

12 posted on 09/25/2012 2:49:05 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." - Barack Hussein Obama - Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sweet, illegal aliens as well could lock their prices now for Texas in state tution. Plan ahead illegals, this might work.


13 posted on 09/25/2012 2:49:05 PM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

My suggestion would be to freeze all instructors, all professors, and all university professionals at their current pay scale for three years as a minimum. After that three-year period, I’m limit all pay raises to a maximum of two percent every two years.


14 posted on 09/25/2012 2:50:08 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SeekAndFind

UT San Antonio - Tuition and fees (lots of fees)
2008 - ~$5000/year
2012 - Current price $4800 for one semester (6 months)
*Tuition has nearly doubled in 4 years. That is nuts.


15 posted on 09/25/2012 2:50:58 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

“they are already doing this to other sectors of the economy”

That’s the same argument I posed to myself when I was a kid. “You’re already out past curfew; might as well stay out all night. Can’t get more in trouble, can you?”

Yes. You can.


16 posted on 09/25/2012 2:53:31 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Buckeye McFrog

And then if the college tuition bubble collapses and tuition goes down, new students will be “underwater” on their tuition and Obama can step in to lower their principal.


17 posted on 09/25/2012 2:55:50 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

“It is a State University. Not really free-market”

So we should make it less free? Or, to put that a other way, so much of the cost is hidden from the consumer and pushed ofttimes other parties that it doesn’t matter whether we hide any more? Why, on earth?


18 posted on 09/25/2012 2:57:44 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Will we also “freeze” the pay and benefits and costs of the colleges? Or does he expect the soak the taxpayers for the difference??


19 posted on 09/25/2012 2:59:00 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: pepsionice

And how do you freeze all of the operating costs, e.g., utilities, garbage collection, maintenance, etc. The University of Texas in Austin has about 40,000 students. Your are running what amounts to a small city.


20 posted on 09/25/2012 3:07:23 PM PDT by kabar
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To: pogo101

The universities would then simply charge more to students.


21 posted on 09/25/2012 3:08:10 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kabar

UTA can (and should) then have to start looking hard at where they need to make cuts. Such as, oh, ‘gender studies’. Or ‘Chicano studies.’


22 posted on 09/25/2012 3:09:52 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Or start bring in more out of state and foreign students who will pay full tuition. Or maybe eliminate intercollegiate sports and focus on learning.


23 posted on 09/25/2012 3:12:29 PM PDT by kabar
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To: pieceofthepuzzle; E. Pluribus Unum
Actually, I think this is a great idea.

I do too! Kinda like locking in a 4 year lease rate on a car.........

With that being said, I'm also in favor of eliminating classes that are not specific to one's ultimate degree choice. Classes in the Humanities, sciences and Phys Ed.......

If you eliminate the bullshit classes then quality degrees can be earned in only 2 to 3 years........

24 posted on 09/25/2012 3:20:42 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: SeekAndFind

How about outlawing college loans backed by the feds. That’ll stop the money gushing.


25 posted on 09/25/2012 3:45:40 PM PDT by gotribe (WTF?)
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To: kabar

Either way, they will have to start getting their academic heads out of their arses and figure out (like the rest of us) how to operate on a budget instead of being able to just charge the kids more to make up for any shortfalls.


26 posted on 09/25/2012 3:51:09 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tublecane

But sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. You have 80-90% of university faculty supporting the left, or at least voting democrat, and supporting an agenda that wants to take more money out of your pocket. Well, why not take money out of their pockets, using the same arguments (e.g. ‘health care is a right’ = ‘a university education is a right’). If you sit on the ropes and let the other side punch you, without fear of getting punched back, they will keep swinging until they connect and hurt you.


27 posted on 09/25/2012 4:08:10 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Spktyr

I’m suggesting that the state freeze both the spending AT state colleges and the tuition charged BY them. Sorry that was unclear /incomplete.

Of course, PRIVATE colleges can keep right on pricing themselves out of any non-wealthy kid’s budget, for all I care. This is strictly about those colleges run and hugely subsidized by the state.


28 posted on 09/25/2012 4:12:55 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: SeekAndFind

How to fix higher education? Get rid of the “Everyone deserves/has a right to a college degree” baloney. Return to real academic standards. Eliminate entire university departments that exist only because of political correctness (Womyn’s Studies, African Studies, “human resources” in business schools, etc.). Privatize the student loan business and allow lenders to charge different interest rates based on different college majors (higher-earning majors are less risky to a lender than, say, a worthless degree in Intercultural Studies).

But most of this will require a lot of lazy left-wing professors to get real jobs or starve, so it will never happen...


29 posted on 09/25/2012 4:30:09 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Support hate crime laws: Because some victims are more equal than others.)
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To: Old North State

He wants to stop raising costs of college but then lets the illegals into the college system for free. Doesn’t make sense.


30 posted on 09/25/2012 5:35:40 PM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: pepsionice

My suggestion would be to freeze all instructors, all professors, and all university professionals at their current pay scale for three years as a minimum. After that three-year period, I’m limit all pay raises to a maximum of two percent every two years.

I don’t understand why everyone thinks keeping teachers or professors salaries down is a good idea. You get what you pay for. These folks go to school for about 25 years from high school through PHD and you want them to work for peanuts. 2 percent a year would not even cover the taxes that will be raised. No I am not a teacher but you guys think it is easy apparently or work for free. When are we going to freeze salaries CEOs of companies?


31 posted on 09/25/2012 5:39:56 PM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Not sure whether your comment was sincere or sarcastic, but . . .

Not all degrees are created equal in terms of cost. There’s way more to some courses of study than lectures from profs.

Providing the necessary facilities, equipment, and expertise to educate scientists and engineers requires more than books, profs, and a classroom like, for example, a degree in English or psychology or history.


32 posted on 09/25/2012 8:05:20 PM PDT by Jedidah
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What we need to do is tax the wealthy professors!

They need to pay their fair share, instead of living their obscene excessive lifestyles, off of educational corporate greed.


33 posted on 09/25/2012 8:11:06 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Hot Tabasco

So you advocate ditching courses in history and government so our citizenry will be even more ignorant of our heritage?

Your idea would reduce universities to trade schools.

Nothing against trade schools, but they already exist.

The ideal university education requires a core curriculum that gives the student at least a basic knowledge of the major disciplines, as well as training and certification in a chosen field.

As the parent of three Texas A&M engineering students, I know it can be done and done well.


34 posted on 09/25/2012 8:12:53 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

You forgot the sarcasm tag.


35 posted on 09/25/2012 8:14:04 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: napscoordinator
I don’t understand why everyone thinks keeping teachers or professors salaries down is a good idea.

Because they're filthy lying communists. I'd just as soon they were all fired. You get what you pay for.

No we don't, or we'd be up to our eyeballs in a market full of homegrown math and science majors, ready to take all of Americas high tech professional positions. But we are awash in dummies.

Instead, we are importing these people from all over the world including India and Pakistan.

36 posted on 09/25/2012 8:17:40 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Jedidah

What sarcasm?


37 posted on 09/25/2012 8:19:02 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Jedidah
“Providing the necessary facilities, equipment, and expertise to educate scientists and engineers requires more than books, profs, and a classroom like, for example, a degree in English or psychology or history.”

Yes, this is true, but this doesn't explain the continuous rise in tuition, especially at Universities with very large endowments. Regarding scientific training, this is a big problem, IMHO. A significant amount of taxpayer-derived federal research funding is going to pay for foreign trainees (e.g. postdoctoral research fellows from Europe and Asia training in US labs), and not enough US students are pursuing scientific careers.

There are many reasons for this, and it's not a simple fix. I would, however, limit the percentage of federal grant money that can be used to hire/train non-US citizens. This is not meant to be anti-foreign trainee. It's just a practical issue in that we need to do a better job attracting and keeping capable US citizens in scientific careers. It is, to some extent, a matter of national security.

38 posted on 09/25/2012 8:57:36 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Jedidah
So you advocate ditching courses in history and government

Yep, those should be taught in high school.....

39 posted on 09/26/2012 3:03:36 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Agree wholeheartedly with your contention that we should be training more Americans in scientific fields. That, however, has nothing to do with college costs and everything to do with our society.

Kids can’t handle the rigors of higher learning in math and science if they don’t have a strong foundation in those disciplines prior to college entry.

My experience as a parent very involved in the schooling of our three in public school has been one of rigorous curriculum and excellent teachers, but peers who weren’t willing to do the work and parents who didn’t care.

Much of our society no longer rears its young with a sense of responsibility and self-reliance. Kids just want to have fun, and the rewards of hard work and intellectual challenge are not immediate.

For much of our population, we could offer free tuition for science and engineering study, and they couldn’t take advantage of it, because they’re too far behind. Thus, the plethora of psychology and general studies majors, with the best and the brightest from overseas taking their spots.

My (well-informed, from the trenches) two cents’ worth.


40 posted on 09/26/2012 7:39:20 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Hot Tabasco

As they are already — but when teaching young minds, important things need repeating. Do you have only a passing knowledge reading? Or math?

Like I said, your proposal would just want to do away with higher education and turn colleges into trade schools.

I would respectfully disagree, but do feel a need to state plainly what you are up to.


41 posted on 09/26/2012 7:47:57 AM PDT by Jedidah
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