Skip to comments.Secession! Lakota Sioux Nation Leaves The Union! (Again)
Posted on 09/29/2012 5:01:47 PM PDT by Makana
President Barack Obama has an unexpected foreign policy problem in the Western United States. The Lakota Sioux nation has seceded from the United States, according to a story on the anti-American website La Voz de Aztlan.
We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us, long-time Native American radical leader Russell Means said. The move potentially impacts the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.
He(Means) has continued his push for Sioux independence in the decades since. The Lakota declared independence in 2007, as well, with Means proclaiming: United States colonial rule is at its end!
This time, Means detailed reasons for the secession including a long list of problems facing the Lakota, such as unemployment, healthcare and life expectancy as well use of natural resources. In a rambling video, he also added a massive number of reasons for why his new nation would be both strong and lawful talking about everything from credit card companies to global warming as problems they aim to escape
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Let's see if the MSM picks this up.
Ya. Whatever, Russ.
Good luck with that.
So, did the Sioux Lakota Nation actually declare that they’ve seceded, or this just Russell Means shooting his mouth off?
Can they take Elizabeth Warren with them?
Good deal! If they are now an enemy nation inside our borders, I say send in the Marines and level them. Take that Lakota! Take that moldy old treaty and shove it up your collective rectum!
From your mouth to God’s ears!
Maybe Lie-a-watha will actually be able to practice law in that new nation.
Next thing you know, they will acquire nukes
We'll have to be satisfied sending them a few billion. See “The Mouse that Roared.”
Can’t we just steal it back again?
LOL! The Duchy of Grand Fenwick. Again.
Russell Means Comments on Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize. Calls obama The Flim Flam Man. Not for the same reasons as we would have, but still...
I just found this and I was stuned!!
OK, not really. How does this genius expect to defend his newly independent country?
I just hope the gummint’s got the welfare checks cut off already.
Doubt it. The Cherokees in OK tangled with Comanche, Kiowa and Cheyenne.
But I think the Lakota were too far north for them to have much contact.
Possibly you are thinking of the Crow?
If this means none of them vote this November, I think I’m all for this.
The Cherokee and Sioux have had little to do with one another.
The Lakota Sioux kicked the Crow out of the tall grass prairie country during their migration out of Minnesota in the early 19th Century. Most Crows these days (I’ve known a few) loathe the Sioux.
Additional comments from Means included; This time we cannot blame white eyes.
Note my post. I wrote a paper about massacres of the Crow by the Sioux back in my early historian days, as it were.
And of course the Crow drove the Shoshone out of what they now consider their homeland.
Yeh, well, we can still tax the feathers out of em for using our land, roads, and military security.
With an equal number of massacres of women and children.
Oh, how my “They’re so close to peaceful nature” prof’s hated those kind of papers of mine! If I hadn’t had the political training of a long, nasty career in Big Pharma I’d never have gotten out of undergrad.
It also helps to thoroughly research every claim and to be able to outwrite everyone in the department at my level (he declared modestly).
The Crow and Northern Cheyenne were traditional enemies, but a twist of fate (or someone at the Bureau of Indian Affairs who didn’t give a darn) resulted in their reservations being side-by-side in Southeastern Montana.
So we stole the land from the Native Americans...but who did the “Native” Americans steal it from?
Even before that, the Sioux were much further east, and I think I read that in the 1600s they may actually have been very near the East Coast. I’m not sure who shoved them into Crow territory but some tribe or tribes did. Everyone thinks of them as Plains Indians but the Plains culture was relatively modern, after the reintroduction of the horse to the Americas by the Europeans.
I live in South Dakota. The Lakota/Dakota reservations are a disgrace, mostly because of their high rate of alcoholism and and reliance on government largess. The suicide rate is off the charts. They feel trapped, and the government hasn’t helped with the reservation system. Russell Means has always been a loud-mouthed instigator.....he just wants more freebies and handouts for the “Nation”. Means drives a Mercedes when in Rapid City (and lives in a pretty upscale apartment...I know because I was his neighbor for a few months), but has a rusted out Ford pickup when he goes to the “Rez”.
I don’t know the solution to the problem, but government handouts are not the answer. The handouts just enable them to continue with their lifestyle of poverty and need.
Most of us here no longer feel sorry for them. They handle that well enough on their own.
Secession from a tyranical and intrusive government is not exactly a novel idea in this nation. Sounds like someone had a thoughtful and productive pow wow.
Don’t let the door slam on your back where the Great Spirit put your crack.
Holy Cow! In one swift move, the Registered Democrats totals just dropped, the average IQ went up, the unemployment number just dropped and any democrats from that former district just shat their pants. /s
And remove them from the voter rolls.
I hear it gets really cold up there. Perhaps we should send them some blankets.
I skipped over to my library...
THE SIOUX, by Guy Gibbon says that the Sioux were driven out of the Great Lakes area by the Ojibwa, who were THE power in the North prior to the Seven Year’s War.
It’s a terrific book, by the way. Blackwell publishing produces some very nice, comparatively inexpensive volumes that are stuffed with information. Check ‘em out on Amazon.
I’ve been to both reservations. Next to deepest Appalachia, I’ve left few places feeling more depressed.
I still think, however, he has some decency left in him based on his public statements against Obama plus conversations we had years ago about his dreams to unite independent minded white men and red men to win our country back from the Washington politicians who robbed us both.
Yeah, that was my first thought too. I guess as a protectorate they’ll still get all the benes and royalties. And they obviously figured that out first.
Does this mean they won’t vote for Tom Daschle 5 times each in South Dakota?
Don’t mean a thing until they live it. Stop taking government money, stop using government money, secure their border, write their own laws. Live like they are actually responsible for themselves.
Has Acorn voted for them before they seceded?
Before that, most of the tribal elders believed they came from what is now the James River Valley in Virginia. Others thought it was from the Finger Lakes Region of New York. In any case, the Sioux were one of the tribes doing the pushing of weaker tribes west. And our tribe suffered the same fate at the hands of the Chippewa who pushed us out of northern Minnesota as they were displaced from what is now Michigan, Wisconsin and southwestern Ontario.
Interesting stuff. Many of the tribal divisions are purely arbitrary and partly white man's invention. A good friend of mine who is Navajo tells me that they are basically the same people as the Apache-- both tribes which originally moved from the south into what is now northern New Mexico and Arizona to raid the smaller, weaker tribes which had settled that region.
The only difference is that the Navajo accepted territory and an agricultural/ranching lifestyle in return for ending their periodic raids and invasions whereas their Apache cousins clung to that lifestyle for an extra half century or so. Thus they were designated as separate tribes by the white man, not by the Native people themselves. Our Navajo friend, who is well educated, even laughs at the term "Native people" as they expect they invaded what is now the southwestern United States from what is now Mexico some centuries before to escape the cruelties of the Aztec. The idea that they are somehow supposed to feel guilty about what America has supposedly done to Latin America is lost on them for this reason.
Not so different from the Normans (originally from Norway), Saxons (supposedly native to England but originally from Germany) and Norwegians who all fought for the English throne in that pivotal autumn of 1066.
Since we (the Sioux) are close linguistic cousins to the the Mandan and the Mandan are better historians, my personal belief is that the Mandan followed a southerly route along the river valleys into the Dakotas whereas the Sioux followed a more northerly route via the Great Lakes.
It is not clear from the traditions of either tribe how long this migration took, but it is generally believed to have been compressed within a century, two centuries at the most.
By following the rivers of a region well suited to agriculture, the Mandan naturally took to agriculture just as the Sioux took to fishing and hunting by following a route through more northerly regions adapted to that lifestyle.
Before that, most of the tribal elders believed they came from what is now the James River Valley in Virginia.
That rings a bell, it's what I'd read but I could not recall the river.
Mandan earth lodges did resemble earth lodges of the southeast.
I have driven through the Ft. Belknap Reservation in Montana a couple of times. It's a sorry, lonely place from what I saw.
It is probably no small coincidence that the Powhatan were the fiercest, meanest tribe on the east coast when the Jamestown colony arrived. It also helps explain how the white man encountered weaker and weaker resistance as he pushed us further west.
That's why I tend to go with the Mandan majority tribal elder theory of origin in the James River Valley, though I don't discount the possibility that they made a detour to the Ohio Valley by way of New York's Finger Lakes Region. There are just too many Siouxian legends about the "land of many waters" which could just as easily describe western New York as it does northern Minnesota.
The Indian Reservation land should be divided up among the current residents. They would then be considered regular Americans, pay taxes on their land, no special treatment. In many cases they would be wealthy. This is long overdue.
IIRC, I read in the autobiography of Blackhawk that the Sioux lived west of the Mississippi. He said that during the Blackhawk War (1857?), the escaping Sauk and Fox were slaughtered by the Sioux as soon as they made it over to the other side of the river. I think there was a foot note that said they lived in parts of Iowa too.
A friend of mine grew up on the Northern Cheyenne Reservation. She compared it to the inner-urban projects; once you are in, it's extremely hard to get out. She said the schools are a big joke, so the few kids who do go to college have a hard time of it. The adults are mostly dependent upon the government handouts and the wages that they get working in the tribal casinos. Many of the tribal elders and police are corrupt. I heard a good quote that describes this a few days ago, "They aren't for sale, but you can rent one."
Thanks for the food for thought.