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Secession! Lakota Sioux Nation Leaves The Union! (Again)
CNSNews.com ^ | September 29, 2012 | Dan Gainor

Posted on 09/29/2012 5:01:47 PM PDT by Makana

President Barack Obama has an unexpected foreign policy problem – in the Western United States. The Lakota Sioux nation has seceded from the United States, according to a story on the anti-American website La Voz de Aztlan.

“We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,” long-time Native American radical leader Russell Means said. The move potentially impacts the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

He(Means) has continued his push for Sioux independence in the decades since. The Lakota declared independence in 2007, as well, with Means proclaiming: “United States colonial rule is at its end!”

This time, Means detailed reasons for the secession including a long list of problems facing the Lakota, such as unemployment, healthcare and life expectancy as well use of natural resources. In a rambling video, he also added a massive number of reasons for why his new nation would be both strong and lawful – talking about everything from credit card companies to global warming as problems they aim to escape

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: federalgovernment; indian; lakota; russellmeans
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"Chingachgook" is at it again. He's likely upset because ObamaCare singles out "Urban Native Americans" for the goodies.

Let's see if the MSM picks this up.

1 posted on 09/29/2012 5:01:50 PM PDT by Makana
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To: Makana

Ya. Whatever, Russ.

Good luck with that.


2 posted on 09/29/2012 5:03:58 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny ("Allah" isn't a god. It's a mental disorder.)
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To: Makana

So, did the Sioux Lakota Nation actually declare that they’ve seceded, or this just Russell Means shooting his mouth off?


3 posted on 09/29/2012 5:06:18 PM PDT by verum ago (Hey UN: Molon Labe applies to our dollars, too!)
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To: Makana

Can they take Elizabeth Warren with them?


4 posted on 09/29/2012 5:06:28 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: Makana

Good deal! If they are now an enemy nation inside our borders, I say send in the Marines and level them. Take that Lakota! Take that moldy old treaty and shove it up your collective rectum!


5 posted on 09/29/2012 5:10:08 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: RedMDer

From your mouth to God’s ears!


6 posted on 09/29/2012 5:10:14 PM PDT by copwife (All God's creatures have a place in the choir!)
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To: RedMDer
Can they take Elizabeth Warren with them?

Maybe Lie-a-watha will actually be able to practice law in that new nation.

7 posted on 09/29/2012 5:10:36 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Makana

Next thing you know, they will acquire nukes


8 posted on 09/29/2012 5:12:55 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: RedMDer
I doubt Warren will go unless it's as Ambassador. Wait! I believe Cherokees and Sioux are traditional enemies.

We'll have to be satisfied sending them a few billion. See “The Mouse that Roared.”

9 posted on 09/29/2012 5:13:18 PM PDT by Makana
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Can’t we just steal it back again?


10 posted on 09/29/2012 5:16:00 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Makana

LOL! The Duchy of Grand Fenwick. Again.


11 posted on 09/29/2012 5:16:03 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: Makana

Russell Means Comments on Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize. Calls obama The Flim Flam Man. Not for the same reasons as we would have, but still...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKiRheypcs&feature=related

I just found this and I was stuned!!


12 posted on 09/29/2012 5:16:11 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Makana
The Second Civil War has begun!

OK, not really. How does this genius expect to defend his newly independent country?

13 posted on 09/29/2012 5:17:42 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Makana

I just hope the gummint’s got the welfare checks cut off already.


14 posted on 09/29/2012 5:18:15 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Makana
I believe Cherokees and Sioux are traditional enemies.

Doubt it. The Cherokees in OK tangled with Comanche, Kiowa and Cheyenne.

But I think the Lakota were too far north for them to have much contact.

Possibly you are thinking of the Crow?

15 posted on 09/29/2012 5:21:16 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Makana

If this means none of them vote this November, I think I’m all for this.


16 posted on 09/29/2012 5:24:44 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Makana

The Cherokee and Sioux have had little to do with one another.

The Lakota Sioux kicked the Crow out of the tall grass prairie country during their migration out of Minnesota in the early 19th Century. Most Crows these days (I’ve known a few) loathe the Sioux.


17 posted on 09/29/2012 5:27:12 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Makana
Means detailed reasons for the secession including a long list of problems facing the Lakota, such as unemployment, healthcare and life expectancy as well use of natural resources

Additional comments from Means included; This time we cannot blame white eyes.

18 posted on 09/29/2012 5:28:00 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Note my post. I wrote a paper about massacres of the Crow by the Sioux back in my early historian days, as it were.


19 posted on 09/29/2012 5:29:11 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9

And of course the Crow drove the Shoshone out of what they now consider their homeland.


20 posted on 09/29/2012 5:34:45 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Makana
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21 posted on 09/29/2012 5:35:50 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Makana

Yeh, well, we can still tax the feathers out of em for using our land, roads, and military security.


22 posted on 09/29/2012 5:37:59 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Sherman Logan

With an equal number of massacres of women and children.

Oh, how my “They’re so close to peaceful nature” prof’s hated those kind of papers of mine! If I hadn’t had the political training of a long, nasty career in Big Pharma I’d never have gotten out of undergrad.

It also helps to thoroughly research every claim and to be able to outwrite everyone in the department at my level (he declared modestly).


23 posted on 09/29/2012 5:41:12 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9

The Crow and Northern Cheyenne were traditional enemies, but a twist of fate (or someone at the Bureau of Indian Affairs who didn’t give a darn) resulted in their reservations being side-by-side in Southeastern Montana.


24 posted on 09/29/2012 5:45:38 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: Makana

So we stole the land from the Native Americans...but who did the “Native” Americans steal it from?


25 posted on 09/29/2012 5:51:53 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: warchild9

Even before that, the Sioux were much further east, and I think I read that in the 1600s they may actually have been very near the East Coast. I’m not sure who shoved them into Crow territory but some tribe or tribes did. Everyone thinks of them as Plains Indians but the Plains culture was relatively modern, after the reintroduction of the horse to the Americas by the Europeans.


26 posted on 09/29/2012 6:05:47 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Makana

I live in South Dakota. The Lakota/Dakota reservations are a disgrace, mostly because of their high rate of alcoholism and and reliance on government largess. The suicide rate is off the charts. They feel trapped, and the government hasn’t helped with the reservation system. Russell Means has always been a loud-mouthed instigator.....he just wants more freebies and handouts for the “Nation”. Means drives a Mercedes when in Rapid City (and lives in a pretty upscale apartment...I know because I was his neighbor for a few months), but has a rusted out Ford pickup when he goes to the “Rez”.

I don’t know the solution to the problem, but government handouts are not the answer. The handouts just enable them to continue with their lifestyle of poverty and need.

Most of us here no longer feel sorry for them. They handle that well enough on their own.

Rant off/


27 posted on 09/29/2012 6:06:04 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: oblomov

Secession from a tyranical and intrusive government is not exactly a novel idea in this nation. Sounds like someone had a thoughtful and productive pow wow.


28 posted on 09/29/2012 6:11:01 PM PDT by varina davis (A real American patriot -- Gov. Rick Perry)
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Don’t let the door slam on your back where the Great Spirit put your crack.


29 posted on 09/29/2012 6:14:34 PM PDT by llevrok (By comparison to Obama, at least Nero could play a fiddle.)
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To: Makana

Holy Cow! In one swift move, the Registered Democrats totals just dropped, the average IQ went up, the unemployment number just dropped and any democrats from that former district just shat their pants. /s


30 posted on 09/29/2012 6:19:07 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: Makana

And remove them from the voter rolls.


31 posted on 09/29/2012 6:23:01 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: Makana

I hear it gets really cold up there. Perhaps we should send them some blankets.


32 posted on 09/29/2012 6:30:49 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: piasa

I skipped over to my library...

THE SIOUX, by Guy Gibbon says that the Sioux were driven out of the Great Lakes area by the Ojibwa, who were THE power in the North prior to the Seven Year’s War.

It’s a terrific book, by the way. Blackwell publishing produces some very nice, comparatively inexpensive volumes that are stuffed with information. Check ‘em out on Amazon.


33 posted on 09/29/2012 6:52:55 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Stonewall Jackson

I’ve been to both reservations. Next to deepest Appalachia, I’ve left few places feeling more depressed.


34 posted on 09/29/2012 6:54:54 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Rushmore Rocks
Believe it or not, I knew Russell Means personally in a previous life. He was actually a pretty nice guy, heart of gold, willing to help anybody out. A lot of that changed with some of the shady characters he hung around with. He actually believed in self help for his people on the Rez and was very big about getting alcohol out and off. Sometime long after I knew him, he changed his tune from self help to getting more free stuff.

I still think, however, he has some decency left in him based on his public statements against Obama plus conversations we had years ago about his dreams to unite independent minded white men and red men to win our country back from the Washington politicians who robbed us both.

35 posted on 09/29/2012 6:55:41 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: sphinx

Yeah, that was my first thought too. I guess as a protectorate they’ll still get all the benes and royalties. And they obviously figured that out first.


36 posted on 09/29/2012 6:58:46 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: Makana

Does this mean they won’t vote for Tom Daschle 5 times each in South Dakota?


37 posted on 09/29/2012 7:14:21 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Makana

Don’t mean a thing until they live it. Stop taking government money, stop using government money, secure their border, write their own laws. Live like they are actually responsible for themselves.


38 posted on 09/29/2012 7:19:20 PM PDT by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Makana

Has Acorn voted for them before they seceded?


39 posted on 09/29/2012 7:19:46 PM PDT by bgill
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To: oblomov
So we stole the land from the Native Americans...but who did the “Native” Americans steal it from?

The Basques.

40 posted on 09/29/2012 7:20:11 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: piasa
The Sioux would have you believe that the Upper Mississippi Valley is our traditional homeland. The Mandan, linguistic cousins but another traditional enemy to the Sioux, had a burial tradition of facing their dead toward the Ohio Valley, from where they had migrated around 1400 a.d.

Before that, most of the tribal elders believed they came from what is now the James River Valley in Virginia. Others thought it was from the Finger Lakes Region of New York. In any case, the Sioux were one of the tribes doing the pushing of weaker tribes west. And our tribe suffered the same fate at the hands of the Chippewa who pushed us out of northern Minnesota as they were displaced from what is now Michigan, Wisconsin and southwestern Ontario.

Interesting stuff. Many of the tribal divisions are purely arbitrary and partly white man's invention. A good friend of mine who is Navajo tells me that they are basically the same people as the Apache-- both tribes which originally moved from the south into what is now northern New Mexico and Arizona to raid the smaller, weaker tribes which had settled that region.

The only difference is that the Navajo accepted territory and an agricultural/ranching lifestyle in return for ending their periodic raids and invasions whereas their Apache cousins clung to that lifestyle for an extra half century or so. Thus they were designated as separate tribes by the white man, not by the Native people themselves. Our Navajo friend, who is well educated, even laughs at the term "Native people" as they expect they invaded what is now the southwestern United States from what is now Mexico some centuries before to escape the cruelties of the Aztec. The idea that they are somehow supposed to feel guilty about what America has supposedly done to Latin America is lost on them for this reason.

Not so different from the Normans (originally from Norway), Saxons (supposedly native to England but originally from Germany) and Norwegians who all fought for the English throne in that pivotal autumn of 1066.

41 posted on 09/29/2012 7:23:13 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: warchild9
See my previous post. The Sioux being driven out of the Great Lakes area by the Ojibwa was just one in a series of migrations of stronger tribes pushing out weaker tribes.

Since we (the Sioux) are close linguistic cousins to the the Mandan and the Mandan are better historians, my personal belief is that the Mandan followed a southerly route along the river valleys into the Dakotas whereas the Sioux followed a more northerly route via the Great Lakes.

It is not clear from the traditions of either tribe how long this migration took, but it is generally believed to have been compressed within a century, two centuries at the most.

By following the rivers of a region well suited to agriculture, the Mandan naturally took to agriculture just as the Sioux took to fishing and hunting by following a route through more northerly regions adapted to that lifestyle.

42 posted on 09/29/2012 7:38:50 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Thanks for the reply!

Before that, most of the tribal elders believed they came from what is now the James River Valley in Virginia.

That rings a bell, it's what I'd read but I could not recall the river.

43 posted on 09/29/2012 7:39:11 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Vigilanteman

Mandan earth lodges did resemble earth lodges of the southeast.


44 posted on 09/29/2012 7:44:17 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
I live in South Dakota. The Lakota/Dakota reservations are a disgrace, ///

I have driven through the Ft. Belknap Reservation in Montana a couple of times. It's a sorry, lonely place from what I saw.

45 posted on 09/29/2012 7:53:50 PM PDT by stboz
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To: piasa
FWIW, the James River Valley of Virginia is probably one of the nicest areas on the east coast adapted to a variety of agriculture. Excluding citrus fruit (which is pretty much a modern invention in Florida after the peninsular swamps were tamed), both crops considered southern (tobacco, okra) and northern (corn, millet) thrive there.

It is probably no small coincidence that the Powhatan were the fiercest, meanest tribe on the east coast when the Jamestown colony arrived. It also helps explain how the white man encountered weaker and weaker resistance as he pushed us further west.

That's why I tend to go with the Mandan majority tribal elder theory of origin in the James River Valley, though I don't discount the possibility that they made a detour to the Ohio Valley by way of New York's Finger Lakes Region. There are just too many Siouxian legends about the "land of many waters" which could just as easily describe western New York as it does northern Minnesota.

46 posted on 09/29/2012 7:54:31 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Makana

The Indian Reservation land should be divided up among the current residents. They would then be considered regular Americans, pay taxes on their land, no special treatment. In many cases they would be wealthy. This is long overdue.


47 posted on 09/29/2012 7:55:28 PM PDT by Voltage
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To: warchild9

IIRC, I read in the autobiography of Blackhawk that the Sioux lived west of the Mississippi. He said that during the Blackhawk War (1857?), the escaping Sauk and Fox were slaughtered by the Sioux as soon as they made it over to the other side of the river. I think there was a foot note that said they lived in parts of Iowa too.


48 posted on 09/29/2012 7:56:27 PM PDT by virgil
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To: warchild9
I know what you mean. My dad and I drove through both reservations a few years back while visiting the Little Bighorn Battlefield. To quote the movie Thunderheart, "A third world country smack dab in the middle of America."

A friend of mine grew up on the Northern Cheyenne Reservation. She compared it to the inner-urban projects; once you are in, it's extremely hard to get out. She said the schools are a big joke, so the few kids who do go to college have a hard time of it. The adults are mostly dependent upon the government handouts and the wages that they get working in the tribal casinos. Many of the tribal elders and police are corrupt. I heard a good quote that describes this a few days ago, "They aren't for sale, but you can rent one."

49 posted on 09/29/2012 8:00:25 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: Vigilanteman

Thanks for the food for thought.


50 posted on 09/29/2012 8:23:01 PM PDT by warchild9
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