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The US Navy And Allies Just Showed Iran Who Really Controls The Strait Of Hormuz
Business Insider ^ | 09/28/2012 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 09/29/2012 6:36:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The US Navy and allies just completed a 12-day mine clearing exercise in the Strait of Hormuz. While the military avoided mentioning the standoff with Iran, the message was clear.

The allied nations were here and would do anything it takes to keep this critical 21-mile channel open.

It was August when I put up a post saying I wanted to attend this week's Persian Gulf mine clearing exercise. After reporting Iran's incessant threats to mine the Strait of Hormuz and choke the global oil supply, I wanted some reality.

I thought the words out of Iran would have a different meaning 50 miles offshore of the Islamic Republic, and would carry greater weight to the troops sailing through the Strait on a regular basis.

I expected answers. Some concrete, hang-your-hat-on opinions and experience from U.S. Naval troops that would give face to the threat.

To that end, I was disappointed. I mean, I should have known better. Known that the lower ranks are so busy performing the mission that they have little time to consider anything else. And the upper ranks aren't going to express anything outside policy: "The Iranian Navy has been nothing but professional and courteous," was the inescapable line last week.

When I asked why the enlisted troops I spoke to had little awareness of what was happening in the Gulf, one Navy Lieutenant Commander told me, "We need them to be occupied every second of every day." He was referring to keeping sailors from dwelling on home and family and preserving morale, but the effect applies to current events, as well.

Most sailors had little idea of Iran's bluster. And the few I talked to who were aware, just shrugged and laughed. "Doesn't matter much," they said. "The mission is the mission."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hormuz; iran; navy

1 posted on 09/29/2012 6:36:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Navy is up to the challenge, the current CIC is not.


2 posted on 09/29/2012 6:38:51 PM PDT by AU72
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To: AU72

I thought that office had been vacant since January 2009.


3 posted on 09/29/2012 6:41:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

4 posted on 09/29/2012 6:47:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sure the mullahs are terrified.


5 posted on 09/29/2012 6:54:03 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Controling the Strait of Hormuz is one thing — able to intercept a possible missile stike is something else.


6 posted on 09/29/2012 6:54:25 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
If Iran wants to use the Strait as leverage they will have to hurry. The UAE has completed a major oil pipeline that cuts across that peninsula and bypasses the Strait altogether. Tankers now can load at the port of Fujaira, Abu Dhabi, south of the strait.
7 posted on 09/29/2012 7:01:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

We cannot find the CIC to give the order to do anything. Any one know where he will be tomorrow night????


8 posted on 09/29/2012 7:05:48 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("The plans I have for you are plans to prosper you.,not to harm you, Plans to give you hope)
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To: andyk

...Especially with Obama on their side


9 posted on 09/29/2012 7:06:04 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: hinckley buzzard

while useful, the current and new pipelines cannot replace the volume that goes thru the strait. i think they can handle ~ 40% of the requirement


10 posted on 09/29/2012 7:14:55 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: SeekAndFind

Having spent some time on a minesweep, I would not be too cocky about this. If Iran decided to deploy a fraction of its million mine stockpile, the cleanup would be very very very tedious. It would take a long long long long long long time.


11 posted on 09/29/2012 7:19:34 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: SeekAndFind

They are reluctant to name the Iranians as the obvious potential enemy here. Funny, they weren’t too worried about naming the TEA party for a domestic rebellion/COIN scenario. Ain’t that an interesting little difference!!


12 posted on 09/29/2012 7:22:43 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Other navies joining the USN on such a mission is akin to holding your friends jacket while he fights.


13 posted on 09/29/2012 7:23:33 PM PDT by wny
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To: SeekAndFind
This is my plan for the Straits of Hormuz, after Paul Ryan....and the other guy, are elected, open up carbohydrate permits, on-land and offshore, and after about 4 years of wildcatting, ergo, self-sufficiency, let Iran mine the straits......and, be done with it.

Watch monies for terrorist activities dry up as the Mideast OPEC nations scramble to deal with egocentric nut job in Iran.

Muslim expansionism will become exponentially myopic to it's base of funding.

14 posted on 09/29/2012 7:39:38 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: SeekAndFind
Ahhh, finally, the October Surprise:

Iran commits an act of war in the Persian Gulf by sinking a U.S. warship.

The U.S. declares war on Iran.

The Iranian people joyfully attain martyrdom and enter paradise.

The American people rally around Obama and reelect him.

Democrats riding in on Obama’s coat tails gain control of both Houses of Congress.

Obama appoints three Supreme Court Justices during his second term.

Obama is appointed President for life, and we live the rest of our lives in total bankruptcy.

15 posted on 09/29/2012 7:41:25 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Puckster
open up carbohydrate permits

Yummers, more bread.

16 posted on 09/29/2012 7:48:34 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot

“open up carbohydrate permits

Yummers, more bread.”

Good catch....”carbohydrates”.

But still, it will mean more bread.


17 posted on 09/29/2012 7:56:19 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster

:-)


18 posted on 09/29/2012 8:03:13 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Puckster

:-)


19 posted on 09/29/2012 8:03:32 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: 353FMG

................able to intercept a possible missile stike is something else....................

I’ll bet that some of those missles, intercepting Iranian missles, will misfire and just happen to wind up above Tehran.

Incoming!


20 posted on 09/29/2012 8:08:44 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: DJ Taylor

No way would the American people rally around Obama. I don’t care if he actually does one right thing or not. Doesn’t change who he is.


21 posted on 09/29/2012 8:15:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Give me a break. This was Obamugabe posing so he can pretend like he gives a damn about our national security in the weeks before an election.

He couldn’t give two ***** about the free flow of oil at market prices.

He may have ordered the action, but it does not comport with his anti-American and anti-capitalist philosophy. Ergo, he is lying about caring about keeping Hormuz open.

Jimmy Carter had more balls than Obamugabe.


22 posted on 09/29/2012 8:17:25 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: AndyJackson

How quickly could they deploy it before being noticed and confronted?


23 posted on 09/29/2012 8:21:20 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: AU72
But first we have to elect an American to be President of our country.
24 posted on 09/29/2012 8:45:18 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: BooBoo1000

He’s going to Vegas. Going to be there 3 days I think.


25 posted on 09/29/2012 9:14:07 PM PDT by Tucker39 (O)
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To: AndyJackson

One possible solution to thousands or a million sea mines are strategically located underwater nuclear explosions. They would destroy or set off the mines while not hitting enemy territory proper.

EMP pulses from these explosions would also fry Iran’s electron defense systems.

Them we wipe the Islamic psychos out with more traditional weapons including airborne Daisy Cutters to wipe out missile swarms and missile boat fleets.

Does anyone in our military ever think outside the box anymore, or are they all so PCified that they have lost what it takes to win a war?

Col. Allen West wouldn’t fu*k around like our ball-less JCS leader Dempsey.


26 posted on 09/29/2012 9:45:54 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Puckster

“Carbohydrate” vs. Hydrocarbon?

Okay. I can see that.


27 posted on 09/29/2012 9:48:22 PM PDT by Daniel II (Composite chicks dig me.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Seriously??? Because they are staying or at least planning to keep sweeping on a regular basis.

Wow that would be so awesome if they had a good plan like that and it worked. Can you elaborate?

28 posted on 09/29/2012 9:53:33 PM PDT by MarMema (eh.)
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To: Tucker39

Hi Tuck, you win all of the marbles,I live in Vegas, and it will be a mess. Marine One has been here for a week scouting out all of the casino’s. He will be staying out in a place called : Lake Las Vegas: it went bankrupt after three years of operation. Someone is trying to get it back open. Oh well just a little over a month and it will all be over.


29 posted on 09/29/2012 10:16:10 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("The plans I have for you are plans to prosper you.,not to harm you, Plans to give you hope)
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To: MarMema
You're just mean...
30 posted on 09/29/2012 10:26:01 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....MiE (Mainer in Exile))
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To: MarMema

In WW2, strategic bombing was ocassional used to clear paths through minefield. Then minesweepers would come in and clear out the strays that survived. Can’t give you the source but I’ve read minesweeping reports at the National Archives and it is extremely dangerous in good conditions. One sweeper was sunk by its own mine when a sudden wave threw it back into the ship (ship built by Winslow Marine & Railway Co, Eagle Harbor, Washington State).

A Daisy cutter bomb, parachute dropped, can cause a concussive explosion that has a blast radius of 900 feet (based on data from their use in So. Vietnam to clear large hilltops of No. Vietnamese forces and bunkers).

5 Daisy cutters would literally cover a mile across area if set off in a straight line.

If dropped on a missile patrol boat formation, one DC would wreck their day, forever. Even smaller JDAM missiles that are exploded over a swarm fleet could literally wipe them out (either by a massive explosive charge/charges overlapping in area, or by using the old ballbearings/flechette type materials inside the exploding warheads).

One well aimed nuclear bomb would set off an Electro-Magnetic Pulse charge that would fry Iran’s electronics at C3 and on ships, missile bases, airplanes, etc.

A well aimed nuke exploded in the front third of an Iranian air attack would wipe all of them out (probably would need several to cover a wide-range attack of over 10 miles spread).

We have nukes of all sizes and strenghts, from lowly bunker-busters to blockbusters (like the old 2,000-12,000 lb bombs of WW2 and even Tora Bora in Afghanistan). What we need is the will to use them.

Simply put, some of our older weapons systems and tactics will work just as well today (with some modification) when facing threats that Iran’s military poses. Our more modern weapons upgrades are the icing on the cake.

We have too many fancy weapons in the system and not enough of the basic ones which could be used because our enemies are often operating at the basic level.

That is why I advocate the use of napalm, esp. in the mountains and hillsides of Afghanistan. If you what the TV Cable show ‘Bomb Patrol in Afghanistan’, and look at the terrain and actual ambushes by the Taliban, you can see that the terrain is just made for napalm, esp. hillsides and mountain tops.

Nap has been around since WW2 in that form, and even the Greeks had “Greek Fire” several thousand years ago.

One needs to study military history to see how previous threats were met, and how some of the “oldies but goodies” are still adequate for today’s needs.


31 posted on 09/29/2012 10:43:03 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I hate complicated situations. Close the straight and we blow up your terminals. Without oil money Iran collapses and the populace will rise up against the mullahs.


32 posted on 09/29/2012 11:03:30 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz
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To: wny

Or sending in Don Knotts when you really need Mike Tyson.


33 posted on 09/30/2012 12:11:09 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Daniel II

Thanks.....filling sand bags here....sun must have addled my thinking.


34 posted on 09/30/2012 12:12:27 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: AndyJackson
Wouldn't a better strategy be to eliminate the stockpile?
35 posted on 09/30/2012 12:12:51 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: DJ Taylor

YEPPER


36 posted on 09/30/2012 3:14:29 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Boy! I bet that really scared the hell out those nasty, mean Iranians!

/sarc


37 posted on 09/30/2012 4:49:06 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
EMP pulses from these explosions would also fry Iran’s electron defense systems

Underwater EMP?

EMP pulses? Redundancy alert!

38 posted on 09/30/2012 6:53:06 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I don’t suppose EMP could disable their nuke factory under the mountain, though?


39 posted on 09/30/2012 9:34:17 AM PDT by MarMema (eh.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.
just completed a 12-day mine clearing exercise in the Strait

40 posted on 09/30/2012 4:52:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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