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Two Down, Two to Go: Scott Brown Outshines Elizabeth Warren in MA Senate Debate
Townhall.com ^ | October 2, 2012 | Daniel Doherty

Posted on 10/02/2012 3:48:39 AM PDT by Kaslin

Tonight marked the second of four scheduled debates between incumbent Senator Scott Brown (R-MA) and his Democratic challenger Elizabeth Warren. The topics of discussion ranged from the personal to the substantive -- allowing both candidates ample opportunity to make their pitch to voters. So let’s dive right in. The following is my gut reaction to how each candidate performed:

Scott Brown is a gifted debater. He was poised, prepared and aggressive all night -- always ready with a quick riposte to any misleading or factually inaccurate charge leveled against him. And he was relentless. When Elizabeth Warren asserted that she did indeed self-identify as a Native American, Brown raised the incontrovertible fact that at the pinnacle of her academic career -- after receiving tenure at Harvard Law School -- she suddenly and inexplicably stopped publicly listing herself as an ethnic minority in 1995. He further criticized her initial response to this ongoing “scandal” (for lack of a better term), suggesting she deliberately mislead the public after the Boston Herald broke the story. Again, of course, he called for her to release her personnel records -- a request I highly doubt she will take seriously, let alone comply with. As expected, Brown also noted that his opponent has a propensity to represent big corporations, often times obtaining substantial fees as compensation for her legal services. This challenge effectively took an axe to the otherwise cheery narrative that Elizabeth Warren is somehow a “candidate of the people.” In short, I felt Warren’s rebuttals during this segment were woefully inadequate for the charges leveled against her. And her inability to set the record straight might have tilted the debate in Senator’s Brown favor.

On a different note, as I discussed in my preview post, one of the challenges Senator Brown faces is that the Massachusetts electorate overwhelming supports Barack Obama for re-election. Doubtless understanding this, Scott Brown -- on several occasions-- explicitly mentioned instances when he reached across the aisle to support The One’s legislative agenda. For example, he noted how he supported the Hire A Hero Act of 2011 (S. 367) -- and was deeply proud to stand with the president when he signed it into law. “A good idea is a good idea wherever it comes from,” he intoned. He also made repeated references to the fact that he was ranked the second most bipartisan Senator in Congress -- “I vote fifty percent with my party and fifty percent with the Democratic Party” -- and stated he would continue the tradition if re-reelected. Interestingly, when asked if he would vote to re-elect Mitch McConnell as Senate Minority Leader (or Majority Leader, depending on the outcome of the election) he said he was “disgusted” by the partisanship in Washington. “[McConnell] has a lot to do to earn my vote,” he snarked. I suspect this was a deliberate attempt to distance himself from the deeply unpopular Massachusetts GOP -- a party he at times seems to forget counts him as a member.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, he sought to portray his opponent as a tax-and-spend Leftist – an intransigent liberal Democrat opposed to working with Republicans. And it may have worked. Indeed, Elizabeth Warren came dangerously close to committing the night’s first and only gaffe. When asked what Republican Senator in Congress, specifically, she would work with if elected to the upper chamber, she replied “Richard Lugar,” a soon-to-be retired lawmaker who (involuntarily) lost his primary bid this year. Go figure. Of course, Brown made quite sure the audience understood the implications of her response.

Elizabeth Warren’s performance on the whole was quite balanced. She seemed less nervous than last time around -- and it showed. Her best -- and perhaps most expected -- line of attack was accusing Scott Brown of signing an “extremist right-wing pledge” not to raise taxes on “millionaires and billionaires,” voting instead on numerous occasion to side with Big Oil and Corporate America. (Incidentally, Brown correctly pointed out that his opposition to the so-called “Buffett Rule,” which she indirectly referenced, would only raise enough revenue to fund the government “for one day.”) That said, I was genuinely baffled when she (once again) argued that Scott Brown voted against three jobs bills that would have brought tens of thousands of jobs to Massachusetts. The reason he opposed them, of course, is because the legislation was (a) fiscally irresponsible and (b) raised taxes on job creators during a recession. It is particularly worth noting that all three bills were summarily rejected by both political parties, according to Brown.

A few parting thoughts:

Conspicuously missing from tonight’s showdown was an in-depth discussion about women’s issues including contraception, abortion and women’s reproductive rights. This was somewhat surprising, as it was a major topic of discussion in the last debate. One issue that did come up, however, was whether or not the candidates supported the DREAM Act. As expected, Elizabeth Warren blithely asserted she supported the legislation unequivocally, whereas Scott Brown conceded he opposed it -- on the grounds that it was tantamount to “amnesty.” Although immigration reform is unlikely to impact voters’ decisions at the ballot box in November, it’s rather telling that when Brown suggested his opponent holds far-left views -- namely, she supports in-state tuitions rates and state-issued driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants -- she offered no rebuttal whatsoever. Interesting. In any case, kudos to NBC’s David Gregory, whom I thought did an excellent job moderating the debate by demanding that each candidate answer difficult and contentious questions directly and without equivocation.

In the end, as might be expected, I thought Scott Brown was the clear winner this evening. But what do you think? Was my analysis spot-on or wildly off the mark?

Feel free to leave your thoughts in the comments section below…


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: elizabethwarren; lamestreammedia; massachusetts; scottbrown

1 posted on 10/02/2012 3:48:44 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Just from general observations, but I think Warren is getting zero numbers from the debate, and possibly losing some on independent voters. So, going past one debate might not be smart for her.


2 posted on 10/02/2012 3:53:57 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Kaslin
In any case, kudos to NBC’s David Gregory, whom I thought did an excellent job moderating the debate

Gregory spent the debate interrupting and attacking Scott Brown. It often seemed like a debate between Brown and Gregory, with Warren as an audience member. True, Gregory disputed with Warren a time or two -- but his was not an even-handed approach.

And Boston TV this morning tells me that Warren "won".

So, there you go. Get ready for Obama's smack-down of Mitt Romney tomorrow. The stories are already at the printing plant.

3 posted on 10/02/2012 3:55:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: Kaslin

Granny has to know that she’s been found out. She reminds me of a drunk driver who has been pulled over and is failing all of the field sobriety tests. She’s hoping against hope that the cop can’t tell she’s “hammered”... Please turn around and put your hands behind your back, Granny...


4 posted on 10/02/2012 4:04:59 AM PDT by islander-11 (Save Nantucket - Vote Republican!!!)
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To: Kaslin

The whole of political discourse and debate in Massachuetts is, from the point of view of the people in “flyover country”, somewhere out in a fever swamp, where rules of logic and reason are discarded, and emotion is the controlling factor.

Law and precedent be damned. There is little or no attempt to argue a point on its merits (though Brown does, to his credit, at least mention bipartisanship). This is a struggle between serpent and rodent, each with different modes of defense and attack.

The lesser of two evils, it turns out, is STILL evil, but in the spirit of attempting to domesticate and bring forth a more tranquil existence, is still tractable to some compromise and would, on occasion, relinquish some point that seems like surrender at first, but is only an operational tactic.


5 posted on 10/02/2012 4:07:22 AM PDT by alloysteel ("You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity".)
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To: Kaslin
Conspicuously missing from tonight’s showdown was an in-depth discussion about women’s issues practicing law in a state without a law license from that state.

It may be that Scott has determined this line is better used closer to election time and/or that he wants more verification and facts to utilize... but come on, it's devastating.

6 posted on 10/02/2012 4:38:49 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Kaslin

Had Brown not turned his back on conservatives after getting elected to the senate, he would be well ahead in his current race.


7 posted on 10/02/2012 4:48:13 AM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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To: kenmcg
Had Brown not turned his back on conservatives after getting elected to the senate, he would be well ahead in his current race.

Scott Brown never claimed to be a conservative, he has always classified himself as an independent and still does. I'll take him over lyin' lizzie any day of the week because I know that he will vote with republicans at least 80% or more of the time, whereas lyin' lizzie will never ever cross party lines to vote with republicans.

8 posted on 10/02/2012 4:58:57 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: Kaslin

Another Pelosi, she talks with her hands.


9 posted on 10/02/2012 5:00:41 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: kenmcg
Had Brown not turned his back on conservatives after getting elected to the senate, he would be well ahead in his current race.

You are aware this is Massachusetts, not Mississippi, right?

10 posted on 10/02/2012 5:58:33 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ClearCase_guy

And not to mention that BO has most likely been given the questions.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY THE GOP DIDN’T INSIST ON A CONSERVATIVE MODERATOR FOR AT LEAST 0*N*E DEBATE???!!!

ANYONE???!!!


11 posted on 10/02/2012 5:59:57 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: kenmcg
Had Brown not turned his back on conservatives after getting elected to the senate, he would be well ahead in his current race.

You're kidding, right? Show me when some 100% conservative has ever won in Massachusetts. It just isn't going to happen and if we hold onto that fantasy, we will never elect Republicans in deep Blue states like MA. Brown is conservative enough. The goal in MA is to have a senator who votes for Republican leadership in the Senate. If that's all we get, I'm fine with that.

12 posted on 10/02/2012 6:00:14 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY THE GOP DIDN’T INSIST ON A CONSERVATIVE MODERATOR FOR AT LEAST 0*N*E DEBATE???!!!

ANYONE???!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

13 posted on 10/02/2012 6:05:19 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard; kenmcg
People across the country need to know that Richard Tisei is running for US Congress for MA. Tisei is homosexual, has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood, and describes himself as a social Libertatian.

Tisei is running as a Republican, and is being slammed in television ads for his extremist right-wing views.

Says something about my little state, I think.

14 posted on 10/02/2012 6:21:36 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: TADSLOS

Can you imagine Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell moderating a debate?


15 posted on 10/02/2012 6:33:55 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I find Massachusetts absolutely fascinating. I believe that I read that Boston has more universities than any other city in the US. And the standard-bearer for these universities, indeed for all US universities, Harvard, refuses to fire Lizzy Warren. Harvard’s motto is “TRUTH”. The worst kind of lie you can tell is the lie you tell to yourself. The administration at Harvard is lying to itself about Lizzy. It’s time for them to live up to their motto or shut their doors.


16 posted on 10/02/2012 7:03:24 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kaslin; All

I watched the debate, and was surprised that Brown failed to bring up the issue of Warren’s lack of a law license in Mass...the story has legs...lots of people are now digging into it..so I was perplexed..or is a crafty Brown allowing rthe story to grow, and saving it for the next debate(s)?


17 posted on 10/02/2012 7:14:22 AM PDT by ken5050 (Laura Ingraham:"If the GOP can't beat Obama in this economy; shut down the party!")
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
"CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY THE GOP DIDN’T INSIST ON A CONSERVATIVE MODERATOR FOR AT LEAST 0*N*E DEBATE???!!!"

Name one in the MSM...

...and while you're a it, please stop shouting...

18 posted on 10/02/2012 7:27:31 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

I’d like to see Matt Drudge moderate a debate.


19 posted on 10/02/2012 7:30:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY THE GOP DIDN’T INSIST ON A CONSERVATIVE MODERATOR FOR AT LEAST 0*N*E DEBATE???!!!

 

It's actually quite simple. Democrats will insist on the "objectivity" of their moderators with a straight face, and republicans will not call them on their blatant lie. This is how they get away with their anti-foxnews meme.  Looked at dispassionately, Foxnews is only moderately republican leaning, and that is only in comparison with the blatant leftist lean of all the other networks. However, you'll never find any pressitutes admitting this beyond maybe msnbc, which barely gets ratings above the fireplace channel.

The other major issue is that the political establishment sees no benefit whatsoever in allowing an actual conservative point of view be given a nationwide showcase.

20 posted on 10/02/2012 7:32:26 AM PDT by zeugma (Rid the world of those savages. - Dorothy Woods, widow of a Navy Seal, AMEN!)
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To: kenmcg

When did you get any impression from Brown that he was “conservative” as you and I define that? He stated he would vote against ZeroCare - he did so - that is all any of us had right to expect. Other than that, he has espoused very expected positions for Massachusetts.


21 posted on 10/02/2012 7:45:46 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Little Ray
Can you imagine Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell moderating a debate?

One of my fantasies. Watching both candidate's and the professional punditry heads explode from attempting to absorb their questions.

22 posted on 10/02/2012 8:06:16 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: AFPhys

Did not many conservatives support him in his last election? Would he have won the seat if he didn’t have that support?


23 posted on 10/02/2012 9:27:07 AM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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To: kenmcg

Given the makeup of Massachusetts, even worse than here in NY, conservatives definitely supported Brown. There, as here, conservative voters will continue to support him since with him we get an ACU rating in the 50s rather than one in the range of zero.

Conservatives outside of New England have to become more educated about reality. Do you want someone who will at times make a difference on the right side of the issue, or someone who will be always on the wrong side?

That is the choice - you can not elect a Coburn or a DeMint in ANY of these deep blue states now. Without the likes of Collins and Brown and Kirk in IL, we will not have any chance of repealing Zerocare - unless the Red State voters can manage to purge their houses of all their own Democrats, and that is amazingly difficult to do, as you know. I mean, SD has put Tim Johnson (ACU=20) in the Senate for over 20 years! ND has a sub-20 Senator for over 20yrs! Montana has TWO sub-10 Dem Senators for over 20 yrs.

Someone like a Senator Brown, who pulls some weight for conservative cause out of a very liberal state, ought to be given broad and profuse thanks by conservatives, rather than being excoriated for not being a purist. At least he managed to get elected there so he is able to help us, unlike some more “pure” conservative whose only ability would be to spend campaigning funds in a losing cause.

You want to get a “true conservative” elected - focus on a red state! Be happy with whatever you get as a GOPer out of a blue state!


24 posted on 10/02/2012 2:17:36 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Kaslin; All
Her best -- and perhaps most expected -- line of attack was accusing Scott Brown of signing an “extremist right-wing pledge” not to raise taxes on “millionaires and billionaires,” voting instead on numerous occasion to side with Big Oil and Corporate America. (Incidentally, Brown correctly pointed out that his opposition to the so-called “Buffett Rule,” which she indirectly referenced, would only raise enough revenue to fund the government “for one day.”)

Scott Brown will beat Squaw SPEAKING BULL in a landslide!!!

25 posted on 10/02/2012 2:35:58 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Yes, Obama, I had help with my business. MY CUSTOMERS!)
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