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The <em>Real</em> Real Reason Romney is Losing
The New American ^ | 02 October 2012 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 10/02/2012 12:53:35 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer

...Republicans are befuddled when they see Obama leading among voters. One common explanation is that the polls are rigged. And while they’re no doubt flawed and the race likely closer than they indicate, it’s unreasonable to think Obama isn’t at least slightly ahead of Mitt Romney; moreover, if Romney’s internal polls told a different story, he’d certainly trumpet them.

...The other common explanation is that Romney is a poor candidate, too ideologically weak, too stiff, too blue-blooded, and too hard to connect with. But to whom are we comparing him?But this is scary to consider. It’s more comforting to talk about Romney’s or the GOP’s faults, which are easy enough to find, and believe our problems lie in our wanting political stars, not ourselves. “Why, all we need is the right candidate — a true conservative! We need bold leadership in the GOP.” Or it could be, “We need a vibrant third party.” It’s a nice dream. But “Where are all the leaders?” is the wrong question; it should be, “Where are all the followers?”

(Excerpt) Read more at thenewamerican.com ...


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KEYWORDS: obama; polls; romney; socialism
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FY 2007 last Bush and GOP Congress. 2011 Last Obama and a Democrat Congress

If Obama is re-eelected by 2016 we will be so far over the fiscal cliff there will be no climbing back

Obama added planks favoring Gay Marriage and taxpayer funded abortion on demand up to birth to the 2012 Democrat Party platform.

By contrast the 2012 GOP platform is the most Conservative one in their history.

No matter how much you hate Romney, no one with a brain would refuse to see the stark difference between Romney and Obama on social issues.

With Romney Social Conservatives have a seat at the table, Obama will actively promote everything Soc Cons are against.

By 2016 everything Soc Cons claim to be so passionate about will be legislated. As Roe V Wade should of taught Soc Cons, once something is legislated it become almost impossible to undo.

Once 2016 rolls around the Judiciary will be so packed with Obamabots anything Soc Cons DID manage to legislate would simply be undone by Judicial Fiat.

If Obama is reelected there will be nothing left to win.

After another 4 year term of Obama the USA will be a European style 1 party state with a state directed media, that will allow just enough political window dressing from a "loyal opposition" to keep their peon classes passive

51 posted on 10/02/2012 2:24:25 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Paladins Prayer

I think you are wasting your energy on wrong target. The horror of the situation is that your own compatriots, born and raised here for generations, are turning against you and your values. Immigration problem, real or perceived, is fixable, given ability and desire. Turning your kids back on track is much harder. Immigrants are not to blame for Obama - there were too few participating. The culprits are of your own home-brew. The coalition of parasites and perverts was not shipped here from abroad - you grew it here.


52 posted on 10/02/2012 2:26:54 PM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Yeah, he supported tax hikes and signed an abortion bill that resulted in a million more abortions. Those are liberal positions,

And...oh yeah...he was once a big supporter of FDR and the New Deal.


53 posted on 10/02/2012 2:27:12 PM PDT by Jaguarmike
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To: MNJohnnie
If Obama is reelected there will be nothing left to win.

His victory was assured the minute Romney was the nominee. Romney, like McCain never stood a chance.
54 posted on 10/02/2012 2:29:26 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: cuban leaf
The article makes a lot of erroneous statements.

You cannot put the blame for our current situation in the US on Romney, he simply had nothing to do with it.

Newt Gingrich? Dream on. Michelle Bachman had a better chance than Newt. Newt can speak wonderfully but the press would eat him up and the left would tear him apart because of his personal life and his history in congress. He is damaged goods even if he is the smartest Republican around right now.

The problem we have is our system. It was flawed from the start to end up this way, it is inevitable. The people have learned that they they can vote themselves largess from the treasury and they will do it untill the golden egg laying goose is cooked. When that happens we will start over again.

In my opinion there are a couple of things that we did really wrong that caused our demise. First and formost, the 17th amendment to the constitution guaranteed our collapse. We were at one time a group of states federated together for the common good. The 17th amendment made our government of mob rule. It is the majority of the people instead of the majority of states that hold all the power. It used to be shared, now it isn't. The states are now just like counties used to be, they are nothing.

The second destroying angel if you will is our education system.

Educators never get to live in the real world, they go to school where life is utopia and graduate to being charge of the utopia. Never understanding what a real job is has led our teachers to teaching rubbish and feel good education. Educators feel their problems are the only important problems and their unions have made them a force to be reckoned with. They have turned our children in to kids with a mind full of much as Limbaugh would say.

The last destroying angel I would refer to is related to the 2nd, the press. If you took all the reporters and newspaper people, TV news people and radio people and put them in the bottom of Mariana trench it would be a good start.

Romney is not the problem, he is the symptom. He is the best we can get right now who would at least stand a chance to beat the mooches of the world. Obama represents the 47% who are the moochers and the other 53% are not a block but a very disparate group some who want only one or two things and will not vote for a candidate who does not conform to their will. We have to stop that!

If there is a chance to save the Union, the USA as we knew it in the past there is only one way and that is for everyone who is not one of the mooches to vote together and stand behind whatever candidate the majority of the nonmochers have put before us. In the last election it was McLame, many of us held our nose and voted for him. Before that it was Bush again many of us had to hold our noses but it was better than the alternative, I think. Before that it was the rudderless Bush 1. We have not had good choices. When the good choices come along they get defamed by those of ous that don't agree 100%.

During a primary it is good to do all we can to vett our candidates, afterwards we need to get behind them whomever it is. If we are to survive we must do this.

The TEA Party has done more to change the face of congress than any one event in my lifetime. It is wonderful, they are a force of good I hope we continue to use it wisely.

We have to cut back government dependence, a few more percentage points and it is over and nothing will save us except ruin, and that is where the left wants to take us, or violence. God forbid either.

55 posted on 10/02/2012 2:30:56 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Jaguarmike
Yeah, he supported tax hikes and signed an abortion bill that resulted in a million more abortions. Those are liberal positions,

And froze government hiring, cracked down on protesters, and pushed for capital punishment. Taken all together it does not add up to "Reagan had a liberal record".

And...oh yeah...he was once a big supporter of FDR and the New Deal.

Once - decades before his presidency. Your desperate attempt to equate Reagan and Mittens is a fail.

56 posted on 10/02/2012 2:32:34 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Samogon

Buddy, why debate the obvious? It’s clearly both. But how can you deny that immigration is a huge problem when 70+% of new immigrants vote for Democrats after being naturalize?

The fact that you’re taking this personally is blinding you to the truth. So, look, again, I’m glad you’re an exception and welcome you into the fold. But stop making it about you. Not everything is about YOU.


57 posted on 10/02/2012 2:33:17 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: JAKraig

There is little in your post that I - or the author of the article - disagree with. The whole point is that Romney is not the problem.

However, the difference between you and me (I presume) is that you think there is really a human way out of this. At least you said, “there is only one way and that is for everyone who is not one of the mooches to vote together and stand behind whatever candidate the majority of the nonmochers have put before us”.

I agree, which is why I think there is no way out of this. The electorate votes their wallets. And the austerity needed to even turn numbers positive at all would be so draconian as to ensure the failed candidacy of any man that attempted to run on it.

It leaves us with this: We are in this for the full ride to the bottom. Only when there is no other choice will austerity happen. And I am not just talking about the US.

I think we are headed for the worst time in the history of mankind.


58 posted on 10/02/2012 2:45:14 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Paladins Prayer
This is a really great article. It puts where we are in perspective. The perspective isn't pretty!

We now stand staring into the political and cultural abyss resulting from that long, long, universal march of the victory of sin and moral dissipation which is the result of man acting on his own to perfecct and rule himseslf, without seeking the help, guidance, and blessings of God, through Jesus Christ.

Alas, we are no more special than the rest of our earthly kin. We cannot (nor should we expect) a mere politician or group of them to save us. Just as this nation was birthed and blessed by God, we cannot expect it to survive and be blessed without Him.

It is not that He has left us. It is that we as a nation have left Him. The consequences of that will be cruel to all of us. If we will not allow ourselves to be led and controlled by God, we will be inevitably be led and controlled by tyrants.

59 posted on 10/02/2012 2:55:55 PM PDT by Gritty (The victory of vice over virtue that always ends the same way: the death of the republic-Selwyn Duke)
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To: Strategerist

Bill Clinton would win in a landslide if he were allowed to run again, and what he did is 10 times worse than anything Gingrich supposedly did.

That issue was a red herring to try and derail Gingrich and push through the moderate insider (sure to lose) pick Romney.


60 posted on 10/02/2012 2:59:43 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Paladins Prayer
Of course, it was the failure of those who allowed the institution of our ridiculous immigration policies.

Spearheaded by none other than the Coward of Chappaquiddick, Teddy Kennedy.

61 posted on 10/02/2012 3:10:47 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: MNJohnnie
By contrast the 2012 GOP platform is the most Conservative one in their history.

The planks mean nothing if the party is unwilling to even attempt to implement them.

No matter how much you hate Romney, no one with a brain would refuse to see the stark difference between Romney and Obama on social issues.

Like homosexual marriage? I seem to recall Romney being involved in implementing "domestic partnerships" for his state, and there's Ronmeycare too.
How can you trust the two-faced ass-monkey?

By the way, the Surplus/Deficit chart you post means nothing because the debt is ever-increasing, regardless of the use of accounting that a private corporation would get busted for. With Romney Social Conservatives have a seat at the table, Obama will actively promote everything Soc Cons are against.

No, they don't; take a look at Romney's history with appointing judges who advocate homosexual 'rights' [preferences].

62 posted on 10/02/2012 4:06:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I didn’t claim that Reagan was liberal while he was governor; I stated that he endorsed a few liberal policies. That is in fact, true.

But you might want to take a lesson from Reagan’s presidency. He stated that he would rather compromise and get some of the things he wanted, than not compromise and get nothing.

Conservatives who refuse to compromise by not voting for Romney will get nothing under Obama. Except maybe, his gratitude for helping him win the election.


63 posted on 10/02/2012 4:07:48 PM PDT by Jaguarmike
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To: TexasFreeper2009
when we could of had a once in a life time leader serial adulterer, twice divorced quitter like Gingrich as our candidate which, (sic), would of destroyed Obama utterly would have been buried in a landslide.


There, fixed it.
64 posted on 10/02/2012 4:08:28 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Gritty

Beautifully put, really. I could not agree more.

God bless you.


65 posted on 10/02/2012 5:23:39 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Gingrich? gimme a break. he’s no better than romney.


66 posted on 10/02/2012 7:29:12 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Clinton is a democrat. Democrats don’t care when democrat politicians behave badly. Republicans do care when republican politicians behave badly. Well, you don’t seem to...and that has me wondering.


67 posted on 10/02/2012 7:29:22 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Jaguarmike
I didn’t claim that Reagan was liberal while he was governor; I stated that he endorsed a few liberal policies.

No, you said, "Reagan had a liberal record as governor of California." (post #24)

But you might want to take a lesson from Reagan’s presidency. He stated that he would rather compromise and get some of the things he wanted, than not compromise and get nothing.

Conservatives who refuse to compromise by not voting for Romney

Apples and oranges - officeholders face different options and outcomes than voters.

68 posted on 10/03/2012 7:25:14 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Well, here’s your choice.

You can vote for Romney in this election. Yes, you won’t know which Romney you’re getting.

Or you can sit this election out, which is essentially a vote for Obama. And then you’ll know exactly what you’re getting. I suppose you can console yourself by waiting until 2016 for a “true conservative.” But even if one appears and is elected, the damage to this country will have been done and will be irreversible. The Supreme Court will have tilted toward the liberals for the next generation. Obamacare will have kicked in, and by 2016, it will impossible to repeal.

If Obama wins next month, then for the next four years, he’s got nothing to lose. Since he can’t run for office again, he’s accountable to no one. By 2016, you won’t recognize this country.

Liberals won’t be to blame for this country’s downfall. It will be the so-called conservatives who sat this election out.


69 posted on 10/03/2012 8:53:44 AM PDT by Jaguarmike
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To: Jaguarmike
You can vote for Romney in this election. Yes, you won’t know which Romney you’re getting.

Or you can sit this election out

Or you can vote for a conservative.

70 posted on 10/03/2012 9:15:58 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: cuban leaf

It leaves us with this: We are in this for the full ride to the bottom. Only when there is no other choice will austerity happen. And I am not just talking about the US.

I think we are headed for the worst time in the history of mankind. . . .

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You may be right, that is why I tell everyone to stock up on food and precious metals, you know, like gold, silver, lead and brass.

Bad times seem very likely around the corner but, unlike you I do not believe that it has to be that way. My prescription is is full employment and high inflation for several years. The only way to pay down the debt is through inflation, thus reducing the real debt. Even with high inflation we will need to curtail our give a way economy. If people are working our dollar will remain the reserve currency, if we develop our own energy the oil prices will be cut in half or better. If we cut corporate tax to a maximum if 10-15% companies all over the world will want to locate here. The only reason we don’t have manufacturing here is the taxes, not the high cost of labor. Our labor costs are not high when you factor in their productivity because of education.

With low corporate tax rates the economy will grow dramatically and tax revenues will skyrocket, even with the reduced rates.

Right now only 60% of people who could work are. Think if the work force were increased by 2/3’rds. I know my numbers don’t sound realistic but they are. Right now 40 out of 100 people are not working that could and would if they had a job. If we put those 40 people to work it would represent a 66% increase in the work force, a 66% increase in tax revenues, and a comensurate decrease in welfare and unemployment pay.

Pouring extra money into the economy will send inflation through the roof because of the money that banks are holding but can’t use. That inflation will hurt seniors, me, but it is the only way out that is peacefull.

I think it possible, but unlikely that we will take my way out of the mess the Democrats have put us into and Obama is purposely running us into. Possible, but it will be difficult. It will be difficult to get Democrats to agree to low corporate taxes, difficult to get Democrats to let us use our own oil, as in drill baby drill and most difficult to cut government handouts so that people will have an incentive to go out and work.


71 posted on 10/03/2012 10:34:53 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
The only way to pay down the debt is through inflation [...] The only reason we don’t have manufacturing here is the taxes

Inflation is an invisible tax.

72 posted on 10/03/2012 1:05:39 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: cuban leaf
OTOH, there is Revelation 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“‘Come out of her, my people,’

Okay, I'm curious. Where will you go?

I've heard nice things about New Zealand. . . Personally, I think it's better to have the fight right here in the engine-room of the world. But are you saying you have other plans?

73 posted on 10/03/2012 1:50:32 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot

New Zealand is a beautiful country, but it’s also very liberal. I understand that if you reveal there that you’re a believing Christian, you’re viewed as a weirdo and are mocked.


74 posted on 10/03/2012 4:28:20 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: SamuraiScot

—Okay, I’m curious. Where will you go?—

The context of Revelation 18 (and most of it, actually) makes this scripture something that is not speaking so much as a geographical loacation, but a culture. A way of life. A system.

In that spirit, two weeks before Obama was elected, I bought a small farm and home in rural, central Kentucky. In August of 2011 I moved there from my home of 45 years, Seattle.

Our chickens produce four times the eggs we could eat. We have a very large garden and goats and will be picking up a couple of beef calves this winter. I’m working towards solar, as backup at first.

We have “come out of her” the best way we know how. But ultimately, everything is in His hands anyway. And life itself is a mist. My favorite book in the OT, Ecclesiastes, covers it nicely.

I’ve said that the “courageous” Jews of early 30’s Germany were not the ones that ended up fighting for their lives. Rather, they were the ones that got on a boat to England pronto. Sometimes you choose your battles.

I’ve asked “How will things improve if Romney wins? What does 2013-2016 look like with a Romney presidency? The answer? I hope to be completely self sufficient before that plays out. He will slow down some of the incredible Obama mistakes, but I can’t see the world getting out of this without going through something worse than WDI and WWII. We’re experiencing the easy part of WDII now, and WWIII seems to be more clearly on the horizon with every passing day.

And regarding my current home, the scariest scene in any modern movie, for me, is the opening scenes of Inglorious Basterds because of its implications (there’s nowhere to hide).


75 posted on 10/04/2012 5:17:22 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: JAKraig

I think all of the things you mentioned are sound. The problem is that I think all solutions have limitations. I think your solutions, implemented back around 2003 may have had a chance. I now think the problem is WAY too big, by several orders of magnitude, for any such solution.

The economic expansion necessary to resolve this mess is as unlikely as a janitor saying, “If I could just find a job that pays $4 million a year, I could get my debt under control in a decade or so.

Yes, I believe it’s that hopeless, regarding a human solution. The janitor is losing his home and possessions, and probably his wife. And the neighborhood he’s moving to is very dangerous.


76 posted on 10/04/2012 5:22:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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